Was James j jeffries one of the greatest?

[JAB5239]

Seems pretty strange to admit his face was battered to a pulp but the punches had no effect. They were effective enough to batter his face to a pulp. lol.

It seems to me the referee, for whatever reason, was scoring on aggression, but not effective aggression.

Seems pretty strange Hart insisted on Greggains as the ref and his criteria for winning was ineffective aggression. Shady goings on there were.

[Willie Pep 229]

Seems pretty strange Hart insisted on Greggains as the ref and his criteria for winning was ineffective aggression. Shady goings on there were.

Insisting on a referee? Isn't that just conjecture?

[Willie Pep 229]

Seems pretty strange Hart insisted on Greggains as the ref and his criteria for winning was ineffective aggression. Shady goings on there were.

One paper says no effect the other effect.

You chose the newspaper that fit your agenda.

This is like taking Fox News' opinion of an event over CNN's opinion of the same event.

It only serves to expose your bias. It doesn't get you anywhere near the truth.

Seriously this very same nonsense is alive all around you, at this moment. Why would you take the Sporting News over the Post? Do you know anything about either of these papers in 1908?

[QueensburyRules]

Seems pretty strange to admit his face was battered to a pulp but the punches had no effect. They were effective enough to batter his face to a pulp. lol.

It seems to me the referee, for whatever reason, was scoring on aggression, but not effective aggression.

- - JJohson was an underperformer even as champ. Jeannette, Wills, Langford and McVey had fans, not JJohnson. He lucked into Jeffries being lured back after 6 yrs of Blubbered Living because of the record purse being offered.

Unfortunately Jeff ******ly tried to get back at his fighting weight on a birdseed diet and ended dead at that weight and lack of nutrition and the rest history. The fact will always remain that neither he nor Hart qualified themselves for his title defense as his much better results against common fighters who often made Johnson look like the stinker he was when not knocking him out...yeah

[travestyny]

- - JJohson was an underperformer even as champ. Jeannette, Wills, Langford and McVey had fans, not JJohnson. He lucked into Jeffries being lured back after 6 yrs of Blubbered Living because of the record purse being offered.

Unfortunately Jeff ******ly tried to get back at his fighting weight on a birdseed diet and ended dead at that weight and lack of nutrition and the rest history. The fact will always remain that neither he nor Hart qualified themselves for his title defense as his much better results against common fighters who often made Johnson look like the stinker he was when not knocking him out...yeah

Unfortunately for you, Jeffries admit he could never have beaten Johnson.

There is a reason he ducked him from the beginning.

[QueensburyRules]

Unfortunately for you, Jeffries admit he could never have beaten Johnson.

There is a reason he ducked him from the beginning.

- - Jeffries had enough class to try and alleviate the Rioting that broke out after the fight.

A similar thing in reverse broke out when Schmeling first beat Louis. I had a uncle who delivered newpapers to the black community on his bicycle and there was a whole gang who had been searching for whiteys and he was it, but being so young and obviously in service to the black community, they let him go. That's just one person in one community.

[travestyny]

- - Jeffries had enough class to try and alleviate the Rioting that broke out after the fight.

A similar thing in reverse broke out when Schmeling first beat Louis. I had a uncle who delivered newpapers to the black community on his bicycle and there was a whole gang who had been searching for whiteys and he was it, but being so young and obviously in service to the black community, they let him go. That's just one person in one community.

I've seen about 3 different posters at some point mention this same exact bit of family history. So either you are all the same person, or you all ran with a lie you picked up from each other.

Any reports of riots or gangs of roving Black mobs beating up White people that you can point to for concrete evidence of this?

[travestyny]

The opinion below is that his bias was due to being a former fighter himself. From the Gazette (Af. American Newspaper) in 1905.

And here is Bob Fitzsimmons saying he believes Johnson got "a bad deal".

[travestyny]

Insisting on a referee? Isn't that just conjecture?

I have seen it mentioned that Hart's camp wanted Greggains from the very beginning. Greggains was also the manager of the club. I wonder if his giving the fight to Hart had anything to do with Jeffries already declaring that if Johnson won, he still wouldn't get the fight. Maybe he was angling for Hart vs. Jeffries at his club since he knew Johnson vs. Jeffries was dead in the water...???

I haven't seen what Johnson himself thought of this. Here it says his manager "was satisfied."

[GhostofDempsey]

One paper says no effect the other effect.

You chose the newspaper that fit your agenda.

This is like taking Fox News' opinion of an event over CNN's opinion of the same event.

It only serves to expose your bias. It doesn't get you anywhere near the truth.

Seriously this very same nonsense is alive all around you, at this moment. Why would you take the Sporting News over the Post? Do you know anything about either of these papers in 1908?

Another anonymous news article from over 100 years ago is all he has to stand on, like every other argument he fails to win.