Does Fury's Performance With Ngannou Affect His Standing?

[mrbig1]

Temporarily. If he beats Usyk and Joshua it won't be a big deal

All champions have had a bad fight a least once in their career. Louis vs Conn, Ali vs Jones. So, I agree with the statement above.

[ShoulderRoll]

Ngannou is almost assuredly on PEDs.

A problem that plagues MMA even more than boxing.

[IronDanHamza]

Ngannou is almost assuredly on PEDs.

A problem that plagues MMA even more than boxing.

Well, you don't know that first and foremost.

Secondly, Fury has actually tested positive for PED's.

Or does he get a pass because he blamed it on contaminated meat like you do for Canelo?

[dan_cov]

I don't know on one hand I want to say no but I don't think you can sugarcoat it really.
I felt he edged it and the robbery cries are very overblown but its embarrassing as **** for him, the division, the sport anyway you want to cut it even if he is clearly past it.

It makes me wonder if Stipe Miocic could have had any success actually.
He won the NY golden gloves and has decent boxing for an MMA fighter & outboxed Ngannou in their first fight. I know people will say he mixed it up with wrestling and of course he did and he got KTFO in the rematch when he was old as dirt but I always felt he had some of the best boxing technique I've seen in MMA. In fact both guys was more boxers than MMA fighters.

[dan_cov]

[The D3vil]

Of course it does.

Tyson Fury plays around so much that he's fxcked around and screwed up his own legacy.

If he was serious, he'd be almost unbeatable

And it's not me just saying that, it's what the late great Emmanuel Steward said about him.

[kara]

The unparalleled brilliance of the posts above will be difficut to match. The conjecture that the best punchers wilfully prefer lingering in the payrate minor leagues or the Doctor's usual, oft repeated misdiagnosis, these are pure gold.

Fury got lazy. Gained a lot of weight and took it off way too fast (well, some of it anyway), evidenced by exhibiting the skin of a Shar Pei puppy.

For his part, Ngannou is a lifelong Boxer who bolted on some submission grappling and offensive/defense kicking skills as he rolled along, and is arguably the best heavyweight fighter athlete the UFC has ever signed.
I warned us all of this potential, did I not?
What's the big deal?

I'm inclined to congratulate Francis, welcome him to the big time and await his next fight excitedly.
I'm inclined to see if Fury is still capable of getting in real shape for a real fight, and finish what Daniel Dubois started come February before I can answer the question.
After that, and any other fights that Fury executes before he retires will dictate his place among the other big boys of the past 10, 30, 50, 150 years.

I will say this about what that fight did for Fury. It made haters forget that gif of him punching himself and the knockdown against Steve Cunningham.

I guess he can make up plenty if he beats Usyk in decisive fashion.

[Dr. Z]

Ngannou is almost assuredly on PEDs.

A problem that plagues MMA even more than boxing.

So is Fury. Neither was drug tested for this boxing match.

[ShoulderRoll]

Well, you don't know that first and foremost.

Secondly, Fury has actually tested positive for PED's.

Or does he get a pass because he blamed it on contaminated meat like you do for Canelo?

I see that you remain a braying jackass, Dan.

I have never given Canelo a pass. What I sad is that his explanation was believable, as it is in line with the fact that Mexico has a legitimate, known issue with clenbuterol in its cattle industry. And Canelo at least provided a list of 8 restaurants in Mexico he had visited in the weeks prior to his failed test, including the steakhouse Sonora Grill where he was seen having steak with Bill Clinton and Carlos Slim and several others.

This isn’t like the stuff surrounding Conor Benn which you laughably claim was just as plausible. Where there are excuses of contaminated eggs despite the fact that clomiphene use in egg production is prohibited in Britain. And to date no source has been provided where he might have possibly obtained these supposedly tainted eggs.

Two obviously very different levels of believability.

[ShoulderRoll]

So is Fury. Neither was drug tested for this boxing match.

Fury has had his PED issues in the past too. No denying that. But Ngannou being almost all muscle at 37-years-old and coming from the MMA world? He is suspect.

There appears to have been VADA testing for this fight, though.

“VADA welcomes Francis Ngannou to our program as he prepares to face Tyson Fury October 28, 2023 in Ryadh, Saudi Arabia”

https://vada-testing.org/2023/10/28/francis-ngannou/