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  • #41
    Originally posted by ShoulderRoll View Post

    You seem hung up on your burden of proof strawman. But I’m not claiming that anything is proven, what I’m focusing on is how believable/plausible the explanations are.

    Being in Mexico, and eating steak while in Mexico, could very well have bearing on how trace amounts of clenbuterol (consistent with eating tainted meat) might have gotten into Canelo’s system. The odds of that actually having happened are not unreasonable.

    The odds of Conor Benn obtaining contaminated eggs in Britain? Where clomiphene is prohibited in egg production? They would have to be higher. Hence less believable.

    It’s really not that hard to grasp, Dan. You just have to stop playing dumb.
    The burden of proof is not a strawman you moron You need to learn what words mean before you spout them.

    Being in Mexico and eating steak in Mexico has NO bearing on how trace amounts of Clen got in his system. NONE. ZERO. I can't make that any more clear.

    You have no evidence that he even ate meat while he was in Mexico and even if you did, there is no evidence that that meat was tainted. So again, there is no bearing between those two things.

    It doesn't matter what the odds are. That's now how it works. The odds are higher than someone spiked his drink with Clen than there are that he ate meat containing clen, it doesn't matter because the evidence to support wither excuse for Benn or Canelo is exactly zero.

    Yet you deem one plausible and the other not when the reality is neither are plausible and the evidence to support either is zero.
    Last edited by IronDanHamza; 11-02-2023, 10:51 PM.

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    • #42
      Originally posted by ShoulderRoll View Post

      It’s not irrelevant, Canelo has done VADA testing multiple times in the last five years. Not just for Charlo.

      Ngannou only once. The rest of that time he has been in the sport whose most prominent champion (Jon Jones) was caught using anabolic steroids.
      Did you miss the part where UFC fighters are tested by USADA year round?

      It is totally irrelevant because you claimed Canelo is clean because of the VADA test specifically for Charlo.

      Yet Ngannou passed the same tests and you baselessly claim he's on PED's when you have nothing to support that claim except your opinion.

      Canelo has more likelihood of being on PED's than Ngannou has yet you push the narrative that he's clean and slate everyone else who fails for PED's.

      It's embarrassing.

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      • #43
        Originally posted by IronDanHamza View Post

        The burden of proof is not a strawman you moron You need to learn what words mean before you spout them.

        Being in Mexico and eating steak in Mexico has NO bearing on how trace amounts of Clen got in his system. NONE. ZERO. I can't make that any more clear.

        You have no evidence that he even ate meat while he was in Mexico and even if you did, there is no evidence that that meat was tainted. So again, there is no bearing between those two things.

        It doesn't matter what the odds are. That's now how it works. The odds are higher than someone spiked his drink with Clen than there are that he ate meat containing clean, it doesn't matter because the evidence to support wither excuse for Benn or Canelo is exactly zero.

        Yet you deem one plausible and the other not when the reality is neither are plausible and the evidence to support either is zero.
        You acting like I’m trying to prove that Canelo’s story is true is the strawman, moron. In just arguing that it’s believable. Certainly more than Conor Benn’s non-effort at providing supporting details for his excuse.

        If Canelo happened to eat steak with clenbuterol in it (as commonly happens in Mexico) could that cause trace amounts of clenbuterol to be found in his system? Yes or no?

        Of course it matters what the odds are. The odds would make one explanation more believable than the other. You know that but are just too childish and petty to admit it.

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        • #44
          Originally posted by IronDanHamza View Post

          Did you miss the part where UFC fighters are tested by USADA year round?

          It is totally irrelevant because you claimed Canelo is clean because of the VADA test specifically for Charlo.

          Yet Ngannou passed the same tests and you baselessly claim he's on PED's when you have nothing to support that claim except your opinion.

          Canelo has more likelihood of being on PED's than Ngannou has yet you push the narrative that he's clean and slate everyone else who fails for PED's.

          It's embarrassing.
          I don’t claim Canelo is clean just because he did one VADA test for Charlo.

          It’s his entire history of doing VADA multiple times, including making himself available 24/7/365 for a while, that make him likely to be clean.

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          • #45
            Originally posted by ShoulderRoll View Post

            You acting like I’m trying to prove that Canelo’s story is true is the strawman, moron. In just arguing that it’s believable. Certainly more than Conor Benn’s non-effort at providing supporting details for his excuse.

            If Canelo happened to eat steak with clenbuterol in it (as commonly happens in Mexico) could that cause trace amounts of clenbuterol to be found in his system? Yes or no?

            Of course it matters what the odds are. The odds would make one explanation more believable than the other. You know that but are just too childish and petty to admit it.
            That's exactly what you're doing.

            You just said "If Canelo happened to eat steak with Clenbuterol in it" when you don't even know if he ate steak at all, let alone steak with clen in it. So it's totally irrelevant and has no bearing or correlation to his failed drug test which makes your point moot. Canelo could have slipped on a banana peel and landed on a clen jab. It's irrelevant what could have happened because the evidence for it is zero just like it is for Conor Benn's excuse.

            No it really doesn't matter what the odds are when the evidence for both is entirely zero.
            Last edited by IronDanHamza; 11-03-2023, 12:41 AM.

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            • #46
              Originally posted by ShoulderRoll View Post

              I don’t claim Canelo is clean just because he did one VADA test for Charlo.

              It’s his entire history of doing VADA multiple times, including making himself available 24/7/365 for a while, that make him likely to be clean.
              Ok and what about Ngannou's lengthy history with USADA with a grand total of zero failed tests? And now with VADA with a grand total of zero failed tests?

              Yet to you he's "assuredly on PED's" whilst Canelo who is a caught drug cheat is "likely clean"

              Your agenda and bias is incredibly transparent.

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              • #47
                Originally posted by nathan sturley View Post

                ha ha it was that uppercut by joshua! aaa2klitschko.jpg
                - - Great fight by Wlad and AJ, but your pic is obviously been made over as is done by modern photo technology.

                Post a picture of yourself, a standard portrait, and the cretin class who seem to be taking over in world mayhem will have you in 100 compromising positions in no time. Big biz in making Hollywood celebrity **** movies with modern technology. Sorta like Chinese Viagra or Vietnamese Viagra or Fentanyl Name Brand Sedatives.

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by IronDanHamza View Post

                  Ok and what about Ngannou's lengthy history with USADA with a grand total of zero failed tests? And now with VADA with a grand total of zero failed tests?

                  Yet to you he's "assuredly on PED's" whilst Canelo who is a caught drug cheat is "likely clean"

                  Your agenda and bias is incredibly transparent.
                  - - Canelo never failed a drug test...duh! Even VADA VIC testified as such, but su****iously U have never submitted of your clenbuterol soaked Hambone for analysis.

                  Blubber is a certified FAILED Drug Cheat serving a suspension while publicly inhaling insane amounts of liquor and ******* not to mention pies.

                  Francis humiliated Blubber forever captured in video that has got you squealing like a Deliverance Piggy soundbyte.

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post

                    - - Great fight by Wlad and AJ, but your pic is obviously been made over as is done by modern photo technology.

                    Post a picture of yourself, a standard portrait, and the cretin class who seem to be taking over in world mayhem will have you in 100 compromising positions in no time. Big biz in making Hollywood celebrity **** movies with modern technology. Sorta like Chinese Viagra or Vietnamese Viagra or Fentanyl Name Brand Sedatives.
                    yeah i know they do a tom cruise deep fake on youtube. i thought for a moment this was real. i thought how powerful a punch can be if we see a still photo like that.

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                    • #50
                      Real photo ain't so pretty to look at, either.

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