Does Fury's Performance With Ngannou Affect His Standing?

[kara]

Among best heavyweights of last 20-30 years?

WHAT SAY YOU!

[Slugfester]

Or Ngannou's rises. But after all it was only an exhibition. I had the fight a draw. Still, each time out of the gate you learn more about any fighter. Appraisals change. Fury's appraisal. As someone said: he looked a bag of milk out there trying to fight. He likely only trained enough to deal with what he had appraised in a ten round exhibition, but his appraisal erred. Personally, I want to see Wilder against Ngannou. But I am real interested in Fury/Usyk. Right now I feel Fury's appraisal is a bit ballooned. He has done some good work, but now he is coasting with the title. I believe Usyk may very well be able to make him pay for his size

[F!x]

It's difficult to mention Fury as a top heavyweight of the past 20 to 30 years because his title stat run stat is only 5-0-1. He only ever defended the title against one person that he'd never fought before - Whyte. And Whyte was coming off a KO loss to 40 year old Povetkin 2 fights earlier. His 2 other defenses are against people he already beat before Wilder and Chisora. Ngannou no titles on the line but Fury lost that fight. And he avoided a rematch with the guy he won the title off in the first place, Klitschko. At his best, from the eye test Fury looks highly skilled but until he improves his actual record, he can't legitimately be considered one of the best of the past few decades. He's on the sidelines at the moment, as a maybe/maybe not.

[Dr. Z]

Among best heavyweights of last 20-30 years?

WHAT SAY YOU!

NO. He is definitely behind Usky and Joshsua has more quality wins. Tyson Fury is a confirmed PED cheater, and a fouler who was docked points in FIVE fights, and could have been docked more in some other fights.

Lewis and both Klitschko's tower over him in a ratings sense. Behind Povetkin too.

At best he's 6th to 7th best in the last 30 years.

You wonder what if he fought some other alphabet champions in Sanders, Ibragimov, Chagaev, Brewster, Byrd, ... guys who were ranked in the top 5 at their peak in ring magazine ratings at time when the talent and depth were greater than what it is today fought Fury in their primes!

I'm not saying he doesn't have some skill, but I find his power as merely above average, his defense as very hittable, and his speed as above average nothing beyond that. He obvisouly has great size and reach. But I'll end with he is a cheater and one who has beaten very few ring magazine ranked opponents.

[QueensburyRules]

Among best heavyweights of last 20-30 years?

WHAT SAY YOU!

- - I'd say he could've tried to be among the best and certainly had the fighting acumen and physical assets, but it's slowly down the drain for him starting with the Wlad fight.

38 yr old Francis just put the cherry on his marshmallow.

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aa11klitschko.jpg just a bad day at the office, we all have them.

[MikeyMike100]

Temporarily. If he beats Usyk and Joshua it won't be a big deal

[BKM-]

I'm gonna say no.

MMA fighters are superior strikers.

Their hand eye coordination is developed through training and fighting with pretty much every type of strike with every limb. So if you apply that ability the right way through boxing you get a case like 0-0 Ngannou arguably beating the best HW of this generation or Anderson Silva clowning a former world champion. Or the number of kickboxers and Muay Thai fighters who managed to make it to world class boxing level at a frighteningly quick pace, even winning world titles.

There's more to fighting than just fisticuffs. If more boxing fans got their heads out of their asses this loss wouldn't even be a big deal. I'm sure Billeau would agree with this, he knows more about martial arts than probably anybody in here.

[Tatabanya]

No, it doesn't affect his standing. It just confirms it. Namely, not at the top.

[Willow The Wisp]

The unparalleled brilliance of the posts above will be difficut to match. The conjecture that the best punchers wilfully prefer lingering in the payrate minor leagues or the Doctor's usual, oft repeated misdiagnosis, these are pure gold.

Fury got lazy. Gained a lot of weight and took it off way too fast (well, some of it anyway), evidenced by exhibiting the skin of a Shar Pei puppy.

For his part, Ngannou is a lifelong Boxer who bolted on some submission grappling and offensive/defense kicking skills as he rolled along, and is arguably the best heavyweight fighter athlete the UFC has ever signed.
I warned us all of this potential, did I not?
What's the big deal?

I'm inclined to congratulate Francis, welcome him to the big time and await his next fight excitedly.
I'm inclined to see if Fury is still capable of getting in real shape for a real fight, and finish what Daniel Dubois started come February before I can answer the question.
After that, and any other fights that Fury executes before he retires will dictate his place among the other big boys of the past 10, 30, 50, 150 years.

I will say this about what that fight did for Fury. It made haters forget that gif of him punching himself and the knockdown against Steve Cunningham.