George Foreman Is Overrated

[StarshipTrooper]

Byrd 1 &2, Haye, Peter, Sanders, Chagaev, Ibragimov, Povetkin, Pulev, Jennings, Tony Thompson, Eddie Chambers, Joshua, Fury, Monte Barrett.

Complete garbage. The only reason those tomato cans were even ranked was because the division nosedived into the sewer in the early 2000s and never came out. Lennox was the last heavyweight that wasn't total trash

[Anthony342]

I'll take wins over Frazier and Norton over Haye, byrd, Ibragimov, chagaev, chambers any day of the week

Exactly this. I mean, I liked Wlad. Liked his brother even more, but there's no comparison with him and Foreman.

[QueensburyRules]

Complete garbage. The only reason those tomato cans were even ranked was because the division nosedived into the sewer in the early 2000s and never came out. Lennox was the last heavyweight that wasn't total trash

- - Total trash due to the Ks emasculating all the American heavies, first with Vitali coming to America to challenge their HOFers to be turned down before retiring Lewie in disgrace days before his WBC strippage was due, then with Wlad obliterating the new guns to dominate the entirety of a great HOFer generation like Joe Louis.

U sprouting poetry in falsetto soprano...priceless...got a vid fer guffaws all around?

[QueensburyRules]

0kay lets look at your statements.
Ellis was no 6 Quarry was no 2,Patterson no7.Foster no5. So legit contenders.
Chuvalo would not lose again after Ali beat him.
Mathis scaled 256lbs for their fight.
Blin won the Euro title 6 months later.
Patterson hadnt lost a fight in 4 years a highly debateable decision to WBA champ Ellis.Oh and he had beaten Daniels 14 months earlier.
Would any of these men be the betting underdog against Stander and Daniels?
Try and up your game FFS!
It's fine to have a pop at me but do make sure you have some ammunition to do it with next time!LOL

- - Ratings by WHO?

U igno slurred Joe by fighting no hopers, when in fact Ali had to go through a phase of fighting the guys who formerly were the highest ranked in their careers when Joe fought and knocked them out. Joe was the fighter by competition of the 60s, not Ali, and in 69 had Ali been around, Ali gets just as definitively beat up as he did in 71.

Post Joe Mathis made Ali apologize to Cosell in public for looking so shyte.

Look, it ain't easy being shamed in public, so maybe lay low a few days and build up your reputation with more carefully thought out posts.

Yup, and my Richard Bak Joe Louis bio currently in transit to be here soon, so I thank you for kickstarting that outcome, so not all has failed.

[MikeyMike100]

Complete garbage. The only reason those tomato cans were even ranked was because the division nosedived into the sewer in the early 2000s and never came out. Lennox was the last heavyweight that wasn't total trash

It was a weak era but Wlad cleaned out his era. George Foreman retired and became a preacher.

[MikeyMike100]

I'll take wins over Frazier and Norton over Haye, byrd, Ibragimov, chagaev, chambers any day of the week

I would also but Wlads volume of good wins just overwhelmes Foreman imo

[StarshipTrooper]

It was a weak era but Wlad cleaned out his era. George Foreman retired and became a preacher.

Cleaning up a garbage division <<<<< beating Frazier and Norton. Foreman beat two guys who were better than anyone Wlad fought, one of whom was demonstrably better that Wlad himself and the other arguably better. No sale on that shlt: 0 credit for wiping the shlt off of what by then was boxing's azzhole.....and probably finger-painting the walls with it.

[MikeyMike100]

Cleaning up a garbage division <<<<< beating Frazier and Norton. Foreman beat two guys who were better than anyone Wlad fought, one of whom was demonstrably better that Wlad himself and the other arguably better. No sale on that shlt: 0 credit for wiping the shlt off of what by then was boxing's azzhole.....and probably finger-painting the walls with it.

Completely disagree with that. It's like saying that Buster Douglas is better than Wladimir Klitschko because he beat prime Mike Tyson. It's still just 1 fight. Yes Foremans top wins are great but Wladimir Klitschkos consistency outweighs it imo.

[Willow The Wisp]

I would also but Wlads volume of good wins just overwhelmes Foreman imo

I've breezed through much of the back & forth here. Reason and absurdity and back again. Well, to my estimation anyway.
I agree with this point here. But I don't think that Wladimir Klitschko's superiority in the measure of "headcount of top 10 or 15 level victims" is persuasive enough to tab him as a "Greater fighter" than Foreman was. Not according to MY criterion for judging these things (which is the the key to all of the discord on this fast- degrading thread). The fact is that Both Foreman and Wladimir Klitschko are bonified "Great". So are Ali, Chuvalo, Frazier, Quarry, Norton, Lyle, Terrell, Ellis, Shavers, Holmes, Spinks, Tyson, Holyfield, Bowe, Moorer, Briggs, Lewis, Vitali, Fury, Wilder, Joshua, Usyk and a number of others plucked from the past half century. To get overly stingy with the term "Great", I'd guess you've fought a few 10 rounders yourself.


Personally I pick Forman's fewer wins at top level over Wladimir's total domination over a (Weak) generation of contenders, owing to the exceedingly high historical importance of Foreman's major victories.
If Pete Sampras came back and won Wimbledon in 2022, people would be astounded. But that wouldn't be 1/10 as impressive as what Foreman comming back to regain the heavyweight title was, because Tennis is a Mary Sport. So easy that people do it for Fun! Try Tennis against someone of equal ability, then try Boxing against someone of equal abilities, come back and share your findings.
What Foreman did was beyond amazing. It's not possible to "Overrate" George Foreman.

[Clegg]

Your post is too agenda driven. Saying he cherry picked Tommy after he'd been KO'd by Mercer. But Tommy was on an 8 fight winning streak. It's a cherry pick to face anybody who had a KO loss at some point in their past?

Then you say he cherry picked Moorer? Moorer was the the undefeated champ, he was calling the shots. Foreman was coming off of a loss and over a year of inactivity, surely Moorer cherry picked him if anything?

I do agree that he 'let down' the lineage of the title in some ways, his opposition after Moorer wasn't great. But ultimately he lost to Briggs, who lost to Lennox, so things worked out.

Most people have Foreman in their top 10, and it seems like you do as well so you can't consider him that overrated.