George Foreman Is Overrated

[MikeyMike100]

Your post is too agenda driven. Saying he cherry picked Tommy after he'd been KO'd by Mercer. But Tommy was on an 8 fight winning streak. It's a cherry pick to face anybody who had a KO loss at some point in their past?

Then you say he cherry picked Moorer? Moorer was the the undefeated champ, he was calling the shots. Foreman was coming off of a loss and over a year of inactivity, surely Moorer cherry picked him if anything?

I do agree that he 'let down' the lineage of the title in some ways, his opposition after Moorer wasn't great. But ultimately he lost to Briggs, who lost to Lennox, so things worked out.

Most people have Foreman in their top 10, and it seems like you do as well so you can't consider him that overrated.

Only overrated from the Mount Rushmore of heavyweights or being considered better than Larry Holmes. He simply just didnt do enough.

[MikeyMike100]

Your post is too agenda driven. Saying he cherry picked Tommy after he'd been KO'd by Mercer. But Tommy was on an 8 fight winning streak. It's a cherry pick to face anybody who had a KO loss at some point in their past?

Then you say he cherry picked Moorer? Moorer was the the undefeated champ, he was calling the shots. Foreman was coming off of a loss and over a year of inactivity, surely Moorer cherry picked him if anything?

I do agree that he 'let down' the lineage of the title in some ways, his opposition after Moorer wasn't great. But ultimately he lost to Briggs, who lost to Lennox, so things worked out.

Most people have Foreman in their top 10, and it seems like you do as well so you can't consider him that overrated.

Only overrated from the Mount Rushmore of heavyweights or being considered better than Larry Holmes. He simply just didnt do enough.

[billeau2]

Only overrated from the Mount Rushmore of heavyweights or being considered better than Larry Holmes. He simply just didnt do enough.

Can I make a suggestion? Don't look at 'titles" look directly at opponents. You will see that Holmes did not fight the level of comp Foreman did... Prior to Big George's second coming.

[QueensburyRules]

Only overrated from the Mount Rushmore of heavyweights or being considered better than Larry Holmes. He simply just didnt do enough.

- - Obese Lar who used to be tubby has a record against standing champs holding a title won in the ring of 0-6, 0 KO.

I suppose it is technically better than my record of 0-0, 0 KO, but only because Lar be ducking me preventing me from claiming his no account title.

[Ivich]

- - Ratings by WHO?

U igno slurred Joe by fighting no hopers, when in fact Ali had to go through a phase of fighting the guys who formerly were the highest ranked in their careers when Joe fought and knocked them out. Joe was the fighter by competition of the 60s, not Ali, and in 69 had Ali been around, Ali gets just as definitively beat up as he did in 71.

Post Joe Mathis made Ali apologize to Cosell in public for looking so shyte.

Look, it ain't easy being shamed in public, so maybe lay low a few days and build up your reputation with more carefully thought out posts.

Yup, and my Richard Bak Joe Louis bio currently in transit to be here soon, so I thank you for kickstarting that outcome, so not all has failed.

Ranked by The Ring .None of those Ali fought in that period were no hopers and all of them would have been favourite to beat Terry Daniels and Ron Stander, two unranked journeymen whom Frazier defended his title against tying up the title for a year and a half .Nobody could shame you! You have no shame, everyone schools you here, but you come right back for more, like a clockwork mouse that keeps running into the skirting board.lol
Ali 2 Frazier 1
Foreman 2 Frazier 0
If Ali had taken a couple more fights to shake off the ring rust and build up his stamina after 3 and a half years of inactivity and only18 rds of boxing under his belt before fighting Frazier that would read
Ali 3 Frazier 0 And Frazier would be 0, 5 against the two best men he faced.

[Willow The Wisp]

- - Obese Lar who used to be tubby has a record against standing champs holding a title won in the ring of 0-6, 0 KO.

I suppose it is technically better than my record of 0-0, 0 KO, but only because Lar be ducking me preventing me from claiming his no account title.

Lol. Who could argue? Certainly not me.

[Willow The Wisp]

Ranked by The Ring .None of those Ali fought in that period were no hopers and all of them would have been favourite to beat Terry Daniels and Ron Stander, two unranked journeymen whom Frazier defended his title against tying up the title for a year and a half .Nobody could shame you! You have no shame, everyone schools you here, but you come right back for more, like a clockwork mouse that keeps running into the skirting board.lol
Ali 2 Frazier 1
Foreman 2 Frazier 0
If Ali had taken a couple more fights to shake off the ring rust and build up his stamina after 3 and a half years of inactivity and only18 rds of boxing under his belt before fighting Frazier that would read
Ali 3 Frazier 0 And Frazier would be 0, 5 against the two best men he faced.

I get all of that and endorse the top part. But I've always felt that the excuse for losing to Frazier being that Ali wasn't ready in 71' was over the top by Ali aficionados, and discredited Joe Frazier's crowning achievement, which was earned in blood and guts. The Idea that After DECISIVELY stopping Quarry and Bonavena, two of the best opponents Ali would ever face (and given that NO heavyweight champion ever faced a better quality of opposition than Ali did, that's really SAYING something!), that Ali was anything less than his very best against Frazier in "The Fight", at age 29 and at a lean, strong 215; is...Bull****. Madison Square Garden bore witness to just about the best version of Ali there ever was that historic night when the whole world had it eyes clamped on that ring. Frazier just came out on top on that one occasion, if only just. Of course Ali's entire body of work made him the greater fighter. The Greatest, in fact. But he didn't get there without some epic dance partners. Just my thoughts, as always.

[Ivich]

I get all of that and endorse the top part. But I've always felt that the excuse for losing to Frazier being that Ali wasn't ready in 71' was over the top by Ali aficionados, and discredited Joe Frazier's crowning achievement, which was earned in blood and guts. The Idea that After DECISIVELY stopping Quarry and Bonavena, two of the best opponents Ali would ever face (and given that NO heavyweight champion ever faced a better quality of opposition than Ali did, that's really SAYING something!), that Ali was anything less than his very best against Frazier in "The Fight", at age 29 and at a lean, strong 215; is...Bull****. Madison Square Garden bore witness to just about the best version of Ali there ever was that historic night when the whole world had it eyes clamped on that ring. Frazier just came out on top on that one occasion, if only just. Of course Ali's entire body of work made him the greater fighter. The Greatest, in fact. But he didn't get there without some epic dance partners. Just my thoughts, as always.

Ali didnt decisively stop Quarry, a cut eye ended the fight,Ali looked very ordinary [for him], against Bonavena and Jose Torres sitting ringside said so in his book Sting Like Bee.
Ali spent far too much time backing into corners and inviting Frazier to come in ,his mobility wasnt there ,nor was much of his timing, his performance wasn't that great at all imo. Compare it to the Ali that smashed Williams, that was a great performance though of course his opponent was not of Frazier's calibre
imo.
Frazier won that fight and won it well,but he never managed that result in two more tries .
Conversely I've always thought that the excuse that Frazier lost to Ali twice and Foreman twice was because the FOTC essentially ruined him.I think that's BS Frazier looked much the same in the 2nd Quarry fight as he had in their first encounter only a bit more dominant.Likewise he looked pretty good flooring and beating Joe Bugner later.He may have lost some intensity and desire,but the idea that he was a medical wreck is nonsense.
Manila showed he still had plenty left.

Frazier chose to fight those unranked guys and as a consequence was not ready to face a real class man when he fought Foreman, plus he had stopped listening to Durham and thought he knew best.The thinking was ,get George now while he is still somewhat green around the edges.
I don't buy that ,if Joe was 100% he would beat Foreman,for me Foreman eats him up 7 days a week and twice on Sundays. Frazier was 29years old when he took on Big George if he wanted to pose as a rock singer in his band and defend against nobodies that was his choice and is on him.

[Willie Pep 229]

Ranked by The Ring .None of those Ali fought in that period were no hopers and all of them would have been favourite to beat Terry Daniels and Ron Stander, two unranked journeymen whom Frazier defended his title against tying up the title for a year and a half .Nobody could shame you! You have no shame, everyone schools you here, but you come right back for more, like a clockwork mouse that keeps running into the skirting board.lol
Ali 2 Frazier 1
Foreman 2 Frazier 0
If Ali had taken a couple more fights to shake off the ring rust and build up his stamina after 3 and a half years of inactivity and only18 rds of boxing under his belt before fighting Frazier that would read
Ali 3 Frazier 0 And Frazier would be 0, 5 against the two best men he faced.

Like a toy mouse that keeps running into the base board.

Learn to speak the language, will ya!

[Ivich]

Like a toy mouse that keeps running into the base board.

Learn to speak the language, will ya!

The language is English and so am I ,I'm not responsible for how you Yanks mangle it!