whirlwind

note: im not talking about who's the bigger draw, who has more fans, more ppv (although they all belong to floyd). im just talking about what they achieved in the ring. i enjoy watching both floyd and pacquiao fights. i prefer how floyd fights more, but im trying to be objective. First off, Floyd has been "the man" in 4 weight classes, and Pac has only been "the man" in 3 weight classes even though he's an 8 belt title holder. I look through both of their resumes, and Floyd beating a prime Castillo, prime Hatton, 154 De La Hoya, prime Canelo is better than most if not all of Pacquiao's resume. it's funny how a lot of floyd haters say that floyd waited for his opponents past his prime, but manny's claim to fame was beating past prime fighters like barrera, and morales who beat his ass first time they fought. manny has fought a lot of fighters coming off of a loss. Floyd sometimes did it in the past (Judah comes to mind), but he has also beaten a lot of boxers after their best performance. manny has also been knocked out twice early when he was 17 and 20. now i can understand why people don't really count these losses, as he wasn't in his "prime" yet, but let's be real. imagine if floyd got knocked out once early in his career? floyd haters would be bringing that up nonstop. oh, and Floyd beat Manny quite easily in their fight. that's what's most confusing. If floyd and manny fought MAYBE, i can see why people debate this. but they literally fought and manny got schooled lol. im down for debate, what are the reasons why manny supposedly has a better resume? Your opinion worth nothing in comparison to great boxers like Hopkins, Tyson and others who has Pac above Floyd. Boxing commentators and analysts who has Pac above Floyd and many more credible personalities unlike the Floyd'lovers. You can shout-out your opinion although nobody cares about it.

Great boxers currently alive witnessing Pac rose from the bottom has Pac above Floyd. These great boxers can easily see the smoke screen created by Floyd. This guy never fought outside Nevada. Why?

lets see here manny has been a WW for at least 10 years his accomplishments below 135 still aren't better than floyd's pointless rematch with barrera. lost first fight with morales, only beat him after he came off a loss from zahir, was washed and weight drained. couldn't ever convincingly beat marquez in any of the 4 fights, got knocked out in the last one, needed a trilogy with Bradley because he couldn't convincingly beat him the first time oh and he lost to floyd. Floyd fought youtubers and circus clowns while Pac up to this point only fight at championship level. People can see through smoke screen who is coward and courageous.

Floyd had retired with not a single defeat on his professional resume. Floyd retired with a win. Pac retired with a loss from a bum Ugas. You really failed here. In boxing, people with vast knowledge in boxing like these great boxers, commentators and boxing analysts can see through Floyd smoke screen. Floyd let down the boxing fans when he told us his health is more important than facing dangerous opponents. So did his his series of fighs against circus clowns and youtubers To gain something great you have to put your life on the line. People naturally hated him for claiming he is TBE while hiding his momma skirt. Anyway, it doesn't matter what we say about Pac or Floyd but these great boxers, well known boxing historians, commentators and analysts what matter the most.

This is what happens when you pick an opponent on short notice you didn't properly prepare for. If anyone is to blame, it's Manny! He is one part to blame but obviously Pac was screwed by PBC, Spence, Ugas and others. The timing of 11 days before the fight both Spence and Ugas opponent suffered injuries. The way Ugas fought Pac obviously he didn't just trained for 10 days but months and Spence magically recovered from his supposed to be career ending detached retina only add fuel to to the fire.

Obviously from their fight. You can see how well prepared Ugas against Pac. While Pac didn't have a clue how to fight Ugas. Obviously you will know which one well prepared for 2 months and just 10 days for each other. Now Spence career ending detached retina somehow magically recovered. Hopefully the rematch push through. If Pac lost then he should retire in boxing.

Why does no one talk about how stupid dude is? He makes excsues after every fight. Leg cramps, shoulders, legs are tight. It's just the answers he gives off and the way he says it. He really sounds low IQ. Pac ranked higher and has 3 record breaking accomplishments than your boy 50 wins 0 losses. Despite his old age, he still fighting at championship level in comparison to someone fighting roadside youtubers and street hawkers. If he is stupid in your eyes then what can you say about your boy excuses saying his health is more important than his gullible fans wanting to fight him dangerous opponents?

I swear on my life it's impossible for Pacquiao to lose without some weirdo coming up with some bizarre conspiracy theory as an excuse for it Well 11 days. Is that equivalent 2-3 months to you? Pac is not young anymore and needs a perfect plan for this kind of fight. You just a moron if you think this just an excuse.

I appreciate greatness. But if Floyd ever lost a fight (which he hasn't), I wouldn't be here making excuses for him a little *****. Floyd and Pac are about the same size yet the expectations for them are different. People expect Floyd to move up and pursue greatness while Pacboys make excuses like how he's too small to fight in the weightclass he's been fighting in for nearly a decade. So 5'8"" Floyd is the same height with 5'5" Pac? 5'5" is Pac real height. Floyd said he wore elevated shoes to increase his height a bit. He can increase his height a bit but not his reach and physical body.

Made a name for yourself first and you can ask for more.

Mayweather beat Pacquiao in a marathon and mma/wrestling fight. Mayweather > Pacquiao. Torrecampo, Singsurat and Marquez koed Pacquiao in a honorable fight. Torrecampo, Singsurat and Marquez > Mayweather.

That'ssome other guys here failed to see. Fight night, his opponent usually jas 10 to 20 lbs weight advantage over him.

Marquez and others nobodies beaten Pac convincingly in a honorable way compared to Floyd marathon/mma/wrestling/ tactics. Floyd will never be higher than Pac based (Floyd won over Pac) on this matter alone. Pac accomplishments in boxing comparison to Floyd is like night and day.

Any Pacman fans and haters know throughout his career Pac relying on his hand speed and great footwork to beat his opponents. This allowed him to set traps, angles and evade incoming punches while giving back his own. Obviously, his footwork no longer there. For what reason Pac already said it. Pac was over trained. Pac trained hard for Spence. While you need to train hard, you need to relax a bit, most especially in the week before your fight. Firstly, it is recommended between seven to 10 days before your fight, you are to reduce your workout. If you don't, it will be very difficult for your body to heal up and recover. Fck 11 days short notice and Pac need to start all over again the fight plan and sparring sessions specially made for Ugas. But what they can get in just 11 days other than Pac over trained himself. It is no surprising he suffered a leg cramp on round 2 onwards. This is a valid reason but for Floyd lovers. SMH

Well given with just 11days to prepare against Ugas. What else he can accomplish other than to overtrain himself. The leg cramp was legit seeing him not jumping around as he usually do. The PBC owed him for that after fvked him big time and Spence magically recovered from his career ending detached retina.

Nobody wanted a rematch because it was a decisive win His father who has a boxing knowledge more than all of you thought his son lost. 90% of boxing fans all around the world thought Pac won. We all know how corrupt the boxing sport is where the judges can decide who they want to win for the right amount of money.

It was clear win for Marquez who has the courage to face Pac a few times. Unlike to some chicken out there relying on his marathon/mma/wrestling skills. Avoided the high career paying rematch like a plague because his health is more important.

Ugas clearly won. Nobody should complain. Great victory for that underdog. But Ugas is the problem for Spence and Crawford also. Oh yeah, Pac is 42 year old and had 11 days preparation.

Pacquiao has no game plan against Ugas. 11 days notice. The special moves/fight plan they made specially for Spence already imprinted on his reflexes just thrown out of the windows. Why the hell the supposed to their opponent suffered; njury at the same time and the same weight class? Pac fvked bigtime by PBC. Should retire now aa well.

Floyd' lovers can't stop hating Pac. Pac still fighting at championship level while Floyd fighting youtubers and street vendors. You can't blame that coward though. His health is more important than his fanboys pushing him to fight dangerous opponents.

So many ducks at welterweight nowadays.

Any Pacman fans and haters know throughout his career Pac relying on his hand speed and great footwork to beat his opponents. This allowed him to set traps, angles and evade incoming punches while giving back his own. Obviously, his footwork no longer there. For what reason Pac already said it. Pac was over trained. Pac trained hard for Spence. While you need to train hard, you need to relax a bit, most especially in the week before your fight. Firstly, it is recommended between seven to 10 days before your fight, you are to reduce your workout. If you don't, it will be very difficult for your body to heal up and recover. Fck 11 days short notice and Pac need to start all over again the fight plan and sparring sessions specially made for Ugas. But what they can get in just 11 days other than Pac over trained himself. It is no surprising he suffered a leg cramp on round 2 onwards. This is a valid reason but for Floyd lovers. SMH

People failed to understand by Pac fighting at 147 he needs to overcome his opponent weight advantage, height and reach beside dealing their arsenals. If Pac stiil want to continue figting then he should consider moving down to 140.

I will be disappointed as a fan of his and I would speak out about it. Cheating is cheating, no matter who does it. And by what any means you know that Pac using it (flomos believing it despite Pac has been cleared by NSAC many times) while Floyd is not? Take note your name is also in every steroids threads here.

Some of his loyal fans hated him now for saying he was not fighting for them because they don't pay his bills. Imagine how he broke their hearts.

There have been threads about Mayweather Sr, obviously. And there was a Cintron thread, and a couple of Paulie threads accusing Manny. But it takes more than a few accusations to make it the truth. What I mean if those person (Cintron, Mayweather Sr and Paulie) are members here in forum who expressing their belief about Pac using steroids in every steroids threads like some other flomos do.

Mayweather Sr Cintron Paulie M Mayweather Jr Berto And many others have accused Pacman All the above person I did not see on any steroids threads. Your name and other flomos only.

You obviously only knew about Floyd after he had retired.This guy can dish punishment and Manny will be outclassed.This fight will be like most of Floyd's fights,just so one sided you will all know who the real dude is Co-sign, like his fights against Mosley, Cotto and Margarito before he retired.

Please give me an explanation (A RATIONAL EXPLANATION. TAKE YOUR HEAD OUT OF PACQUIAO'S ASS PLEASE) as to why Pacquiao should not do the RANDOM BLOOD TESTING. I think it would be a great way to clear up and suspicion. Just because nobody ever do it before! Not even Queen Floydy! They (Mayweathers-father,son and uncle and GBP/Oscar/Schafer) had been accusing Pac using steroid even before the Cotto fight. They had been planning it long time ago to destroy Pac reputation. So a lot of people surprised on Floyd accepting the terms and conditions without blinking an eyelid which rise suspicious as it showed from the past how hard he is to deal with any negotiation not on his favor. By asking this first time in history of pro boxing. The Olympic style testing which Pac have to undergo 3-5 random blood testing even the day of the fight is just unacceptable and they know Pac will not agree on to it. Its a ploy or well planned strategy to make Pac look bad while at the same time Floyd pussy out on this fight looking like some kind of righteousness person. Pac really wants to fight Floyd has been quoted saying "Floyd you have to man up and face me so we can prove to the people who is the best of us". Pac team like Arum counter offered them with blood random testing any day but not 30 days before the fight, plus any day urine testing and blood test him after the fight sound fair enough. Pac said himself on video footage he agreed to the random blood testing except 2 days before the fight but they still turned it down saying "if you are nothing to hide just accept the blood testing". This sound suspicious a masked agenda, the same as saying I want you to be tested hours before our fight so I may gain some mental and physical advantage over you. You can't say its fair for both of them as they both will be tested. The only problem is if they gonna be tested both in the same day? or let say Floyd randomly will be tested 1 week before the fight and Pac hours before the fight? Honestly we don't know because its random. Bottom line is Floyd knows fighting Pac might blemish his perfect record and really afraid to lost his "0".

Refusing to have a random drug test & then taking someone to court when you could just fight them & kick their ass if you are really so mad is a big bitch ass move. Did you know that even before this Olympic blood testing came up and even before the Cotto fight the Mayweathers already accused Pac of using some kind of PED or steroid without any evidence to back up what they said? Put yourself on Pac's shoes. Will you go to WADA to be subjected 3-5 blood testing and 12 urine testing just to please the Maywethers even though you never failed with the same testing method used on Floyd as well? Who are they to bow down on them? They have some kind of authority in your life that your happy to do what they want and please them? Now fast forward of today. All of the sudden and never been happened in pro boxing history they (Mayweathers) demand you to go for blood testing to prove them that your innocent? This is like they already injured you for nothing then you still allowed them to put some salt or maggots on your wounds!