How can people seriously believe Pacquiao is greater than Floyd

What's funny about"Prime Canelo" ?you can't say you ever imagined Canelo would undisputed in 1 year at smw,or that he'd go on the run hes currently on of champions & multiple prime, Undefeated, & hes already talking about going to lhw.(funnily enough many say he never planned on fighting Bivol,but if Canelo has proven anything til now its that he 100% has no problem fighting anyone he negotiates with.(hes literally running out of champions to fight in multiple weightclasses,he is just smart enough to get undisputed before going v lhws again.) Because eight years ago wasn't his prime.

Floyd beating Hatton at WW is better than Manny beating Hatton at Hatton's preferred weight class of LWW? Don't see the logic in that. As for Floyd beating Manny closing the debate on anything... It counts for quite a lot, but not as much as you think. Is Ugas greater than Manny because he comfortably beat him also? Oh yeah, as someone else pointed out: prime Canelo. LOL What's funny about"Prime Canelo" ?you can't say you ever imagined Canelo would undisputed in 1 year at smw,or that he'd go on the run hes currently on of champions & multiple prime, Undefeated, & hes already talking about going to lhw.(funnily enough many say he never planned on fighting Bivol,but if Canelo has proven anything til now its that he 100% has no problem fighting anyone he negotiates with.(hes literally running out of champions to fight in multiple weightclasses,he is just smart enough to get undisputed before going v lhws again.)

why is that.. ? :thinking: oh, right... because he LOST eight times, including to Mayweather ... Do you specialise in stating the trivially obvious?

While threads are made about people not getting credit for beating pac, in Floyd's minds Floyd's hometown, I V enhanced, no rematch win is unbelievable, better than any Pac win and there's nothing Pac can do to equal that amazing, fantastic win over pac? let's face it, Floyd s resume is a weak ass smoke and mirrors resume. That's why Pac is without question best of era and why Floyd fans make threads like this. Desperate situations call for desperate measures. Go away you idiot you couldn't mount a horse on a Merry-Go-Round let alone mount a feasible argument.

Because people hold Barerra and Morales in some crazy high regard. Pacquiao's win vs Thurman was a great one, given his age. No question about that, but let's break it down beyond that. Floyd toyed with Marquez and his victories over Oscar, Cotto and Canelo easily rank Pac's victory over Margarito or Bradley. What else is there? Floyd beat the better version of Mosley and his victories over Chico, Zab and Castillo outweigh the Rios, Matthysse and Vargas level fighters on Pacquiao's resume. I mean, Pacquiao is on Floyd's resume, ffs. When you break it down, there's no contest.

While threads are made about people not getting credit for beating pac, in Floyd's fansminds Floyd's hometown, I V enhanced, no rematch win is unbelievable, better than any Pac win and there's nothing Pac can do to equal that amazing, fantastic win over pac? let's face it, Floyd s resume is a weak ass smoke and mirrors resume. That's why Pac is without question best of era and why Floyd fans make threads like this. Desperate situations call for desperate measures.

You did not even answer my question above. Running just like Floyd huh. Wow being champion from flyweight to welterweight doesn’t mean much huh? I should really stop talking to stupid you but hey you keep engaging me. Lineal championships in 5 different divisions don’t mean much huh? Only champion in 4 decades? Oldest welterweight champ? Per your argument then Jeff Horn is greater than Manny too. So is Camacho over SRL. Now you see how stupid you and your buddies are? Still can’t see it? Did Jeff Horn dominate boxing for 20 yrs beating everyone, its not just that Floyd beat Manny its his entire body of work and the way he beat HOF and ATG fighters that made him special, the trophy cabinet is subjective they both had a mountain of accomplishments in history, but the boxing inside the ring Floyd is a class above Manny that is why Manny has 8 losses against guys Floyd toys with and that is why Floyd beat Manny in cruise control.

... 1) Mayweather has MULTIPLE wins that are better than anyone on Pacquiao's resume... and that is the main criteria when separating ATG's... that is the deciding factor right there... FACT: Mayweather achieved more than Pacquiao 2) Mayweather has a better body-of-work... the dude fought like 25 world champions, most of them CONSECUTIVELY... and yet above 130, Pacquiao only ever fought the best ONCE... and he lost 3) Pacquiao lost EIGHT times, multiple times by knockout... Mayweather retired undefeated you pac-tards need to give it up Mayweather > Pacquiao... and it is not even close the funny thing is... neither of them are top 10, and yet you pac-tards somehow insist the Manny is the GOAT :lol1:{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/www.boxingscene.com\/forums\/core\/image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAPABAP\/\/\/wAAACH5BAEKAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAICRAEAOw=="}​{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/www.boxingscene.com\/forums\/core\/image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAPABAP\/\/\/wAAACH5BAEKAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAICRAEAOw=="}{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/www.boxingscene.com\/forums\/core\/image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAPABAP\/\/\/wAAACH5BAEKAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAICRAEAOw=="}​​{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/www.boxingscene.com\/forums\/core\/image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAPABAP\/\/\/wAAACH5BAEKAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAICRAEAOw=="}{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/www.boxingscene.com\/forums\/core\/image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAPABAP\/\/\/wAAACH5BAEKAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAICRAEAOw=="}​{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/www.boxingscene.com\/forums\/core\/image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAPABAP\/\/\/wAAACH5BAEKAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAICRAEAOw=="}{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/www.boxingscene.com\/forums\/core\/image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAPABAP\/\/\/wAAACH5BAEKAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAICRAEAOw=="}​​​... that tells the whole story right there no boxing historian is having this discussion... only pac-tards are having this discussion... which again, tells the whole story ...

For me, I don't see the obession of comparing Mayweather to Pacquaio. But I would say the unprecedented 8 belts won by Manny is pretty fucking special. They are/were both exceptional fighters. If you have to make the direct comparison, Mayweather is the bigger man with the longer reach and also is one of the best fighters of all time. That Manny, at 5'5" and giving away five inches in reach had problems getting round the defensive skills of Mayweather with those kind of physical disadvantages heaped on top is a bit of a non-surprise really. Finally, Pacquaio was not beholden to defending a zero in the L column. I think that made a big difference later in their careers as to how things played out and how different people appreciate them. Your mileage may vary, but I prefer the more cavalier approach of Pacquaio. why is that.. ? :thinking: oh, right... because he LOST eight times, including to Mayweather ...

For me, I don't see the obession of comparing Mayweather to Pacquaio. But I would say the unprecedented 8 belts won by Manny is pretty fucking special. They are/were both exceptional fighters. If you have to make the direct comparison, Mayweather is the bigger man with the longer reach and also is one of the best fighters of all time. That Manny, at 5'5" and giving away five inches in reach had problems getting round the defensive skills of Mayweather with those kind of physical disadvantages heaped on top is a bit of a non-surprise really. Finally, Pacquaio was not beholden to defending a zero in the L column. I think that made a big difference later in their careers as to how things played out and how different people appreciate them. Your mileage may vary, but I prefer the more cavalier approach of Pacquaio.

You really failed here. In boxing, people with vast knowledge in boxing like these great boxers, commentators and boxing analysts can see through Floyd smoke screen. Floyd let down the boxing fans when he told us his health is more important than facing dangerous opponents. So did his his series of fighs against circus clowns and youtubers To gain something great you have to put your life on the line. People naturally hated him for claiming he is TBE while hiding his momma skirt. Anyway, it doesn't matter what we say about Pac or Floyd but these great boxers, well known boxing historians, commentators and analysts what matter the most. Basically every retired pro fighter predicted Floyd to beat Manny, and most have Floyd over Manny in terms of legacy. Boxing historians who've never stepped inside the ring don't count. So not sure whose "vast knowledge" you're referring to. Making up opinions that don't exist nice

I don't give a fck what titles he won lots of guys can win titles there is only about 3 in his career that was real, paper titles don't mean sht who you beat how you beat them under what conditions is what sorts the wheat from the chaff, put them in a boxing ring to find out who the better boxer is, Manny lost and lost to guys Floyd schooled like bums. Why are you so thick, Floyd is the better boxer and would beat Manny every day of the week from 130 to 154 he beat him in cruise control, that's all that matters to me most titles are straight out of a cardboard box full of cereal so little kids like you can go look look another shiny title. Youre into the plastic trophies and Im into the boxing inside the ring, who can beat who. You did not even answer my question above. Running just like Floyd huh. Wow being champion from flyweight to welterweight doesn’t mean much huh? I should really stop talking to stupid you but hey you keep engaging me. Lineal championships in 5 different divisions don’t mean much huh? Only champion in 4 decades? Oldest welterweight champ? Per your argument then Jeff Horn is greater than Manny too. So is Camacho over SRL. Now you see how stupid you and your buddies are? Still can’t see it?

note: im not talking about who's the bigger draw, who has more fans, more ppv (although they all belong to floyd). im just talking about what they achieved in the ring. i enjoy watching both floyd and pacquiao fights. i prefer how floyd fights more, but im trying to be objective. First off, Floyd has been "the man" in 4 weight classes, and Pac has only been "the man" in 3 weight classes even though he's an 8 belt title holder. I look through both of their resumes, and Floyd beating a prime Castillo, prime Hatton, 154 De La Hoya, prime Canelo is better than most if not all of Pacquiao's resume. it's funny how a lot of floyd haters say that floyd waited for his opponents past his prime, but manny's claim to fame was beating past prime fighters like barrera, and morales who beat his ass first time they fought. manny has fought a lot of fighters coming off of a loss. Floyd sometimes did it in the past (Judah comes to mind), but he has also beaten a lot of boxers after their best performance. manny has also been knocked out twice early when he was 17 and 20. now i can understand why people don't really count these losses, as he wasn't in his "prime" yet, but let's be real. imagine if floyd got knocked out once early in his career? floyd haters would be bringing that up nonstop. oh, and Floyd beat Manny quite easily in their fight. that's what's most confusing. If floyd and manny fought MAYBE, i can see why people debate this. but they literally fought and manny got schooled lol. im down for debate, what are the reasons why manny supposedly has a better resume? Floyd beating Hatton at WW is better than Manny beating Hatton at Hatton's preferred weight class of LWW? Don't see the logic in that. As for Floyd beating Manny closing the debate on anything... It counts for quite a lot, but not as much as you think. Is Ugas greater than Manny because he comfortably beat him also? Oh yeah, as someone else pointed out: prime Canelo. LOL

note: im not talking about who's the bigger draw, who has more fans, more ppv (although they all belong to floyd). im just talking about what they achieved in the ring. i enjoy watching both floyd and pacquiao fights. i prefer how floyd fights more, but im trying to be objective. First off, Floyd has been "the man" in 4 weight classes, and Pac has only been "the man" in 3 weight classes even though he's an 8 belt title holder. I look through both of their resumes, and Floyd beating a prime Castillo, prime Hatton, 154 De La Hoya, prime Canelo is better than most if not all of Pacquiao's resume. it's funny how a lot of floyd haters say that floyd waited for his opponents past his prime, but manny's claim to fame was beating past prime fighters like barrera, and morales who beat his ass first time they fought. manny has fought a lot of fighters coming off of a loss. Floyd sometimes did it in the past (Judah comes to mind), but he has also beaten a lot of boxers after their best performance. manny has also been knocked out twice early when he was 17 and 20. now i can understand why people don't really count these losses, as he wasn't in his "prime" yet, but let's be real. imagine if floyd got knocked out once early in his career? floyd haters would be bringing that up nonstop. oh, and Floyd beat Manny quite easily in their fight. that's what's most confusing. If floyd and manny fought MAYBE, i can see why people debate this. but they literally fought and manny got schooled lol. im down for debate, what are the reasons why manny supposedly has a better resume? You had me until prime Canelo. But yes, I do agree that Mayweather is better (and greater) than Pacquiao

Nah. You can try your hardest with your bull****. Who the hell are you anyway to try to discount those facts. Those are records only he has accomplished. What your employer has achieved others have as well. You cannot deny that. You may repeat a million times that Pac has lost 8 times and lost to Mayweather - it doesn’t make the listed accomplishments untrue. Keep doing it, I just hope you are paid well to do it. If not you are just pathetic. I don't give a fck what titles he won lots of guys can win titles there is only about 3 in his career that was real, paper titles don't mean sht who you beat how you beat them under what conditions is what sorts the wheat from the chaff, put them in a boxing ring to find out who the better boxer is, Manny lost and lost to guys Floyd schooled like bums. Why are you so thick, Floyd is the better boxer and would beat Manny every day of the week from 130 to 154 he beat him in cruise control, that's all that matters to me most titles are straight out of a cardboard box full of cereal so little kids like you can go look look another shiny title. Youre into the plastic trophies and Im into the boxing inside the ring, who can beat who.

See how you show your mental block, Roadblock? You are talking about guts of the argument. Floyd may be a better pure boxer skill-wise as you want to believe, but Pacquiao overall is the better fighter/boxer and in fact now hailed as the greatest of all time by the likes of Dela Hoya and JCC. Answer this, if he is truly the better boxer, why did he clinch excessively? Why did he run? A truly superior boxer would not resort to those.

89% of people fall asleep during floid fights. 89% of people immediately have sex after Pacquiao fights. Yeah I can see you guys beating your lizard when Manny fights a broken guy or a drained guy. Liking a style over another means nothing in a boxing ring that's part of the popularity contest you silly fcks hold so high, Floyd beats Manny every day of the week so his style is better in winning matches Manny is a loser against guys Floyd toys with. Little boys with a hero are fanboys not boxing fans, as boxers, Floyd is a class above Manny. the rest don't matter a fck Floyd beat him in cruise control when it mattered leaving Manny with only his regular bet your life on it being there excuse. I get you like Manny more but that's not the guts of the argument, Floyd is the better boxer in the ring where it counts.

Paper gatherer lol , in the ring he got beat 8 times across his whole career, needed CWs to get his biggest wins, was beaton by B grade guys and knocked out. I wish you boys would go away with your greater BS, Floyd smacked his losing ass in the ring when it counted, you dumb fcks are all about revving up engines and cheersquads the only thing that will put boxing sense into your brain is to go and box for real have a real go for at least a few years and a few real fights, you will come out the end with an entirely different view on the sport. Nah. You can try your hardest with your bullshit. Who the hell are you anyway to try to discount those facts. Those are records only he has accomplished. What your employer has achieved others have as well. You cannot deny that. You may repeat a million times that Pac has lost 8 times and lost to Mayweather - it doesn’t make the listed accomplishments untrue. Keep doing it, I just hope you are paid well to do it. If not you are just pathetic.

Manny just went 12 with Ugas, Floyd barely managed an exhibition against a YouTuber. Manny lost the fight with Ugas. That's going in the history books. It's in his pro record. 8 losses. Floyd never lost, especially to an Ugas level fighter. Even the Logan exhibition, Floyd won every round except 1 lol.

Floyd had retired with not a single defeat on his professional resume. Floyd retired with a win. Pac retired with a loss from a bum Ugas. You really failed here. In boxing, people with vast knowledge in boxing like these great boxers, commentators and boxing analysts can see through Floyd smoke screen. Floyd let down the boxing fans when he told us his health is more important than facing dangerous opponents. So did his his series of fighs against circus clowns and youtubers To gain something great you have to put your life on the line. People naturally hated him for claiming he is TBE while hiding his momma skirt. Anyway, it doesn't matter what we say about Pac or Floyd but these great boxers, well known boxing historians, commentators and analysts what matter the most.