Mayweather Ranks Pacquiao At Least Top 10 ATG. Floyd still higher.

It is subjective, but if you look at say between 2008-15 when May and Pac were both at 147 you had Mayweather, Pacquiao, De La Hoya, Mosley, Cotto, Marquez, Bradley. Whilst some of those guys (Oscar and Shane) were way past their primes, that’s still 7 Hall of Famers and possibly more within that same era. Then you also had Margarito, Williams, Judah in the early years and guys like Porter, Maidana, Thurman in the later years. At the very least it was a strong era IMO. I’m not saying it’s the greatest era of all time though, possibly not better than the late 90’s-early 2000’s and definitely not as good as the late 70’s-early 80’s with Leonard, Hearns, Duran, Benitez, Palomino, Cuevas etc. You're right about Oscar and Shane being faded but even Marquez and Cotto were guys who had most of their success fighting at lower weights. The other fighters you mention were quality welters so once again it comes down to opinion. Cheers

It's hard to compare eras and it will always come down to opinion but if you look at the welterweight division that prime Oscar and Shane fought in, I would consider that a stronger division, than Floyd and Pac's.Besides Oscar and Shane, it included quality welters like Felix Trinidad Ike Quartey Oba Carr Vernon Forrest Jose Luis Lopez Bu like I said, like everything in boxing, it always comes down to opinion.:cool: It is subjective, but if you look at say between 2008-15 when May and Pac were both at 147 you had Mayweather, Pacquiao, De La Hoya, Mosley, Cotto, Marquez, Bradley. Whilst some of those guys (Oscar and Shane) were way past their primes, that’s still 7 Hall of Famers and possibly more within that same era. Then you also had Margarito, Williams, Judah in the early years and guys like Porter, Maidana, Thurman in the later years. At the very least it was a strong era IMO. I’m not saying it’s the greatest era of all time though, possibly not better than the late 90’s-early 2000’s and definitely not as good as the late 70’s-early 80’s with Leonard, Hearns, Duran, Benitez, Palomino, Cuevas etc.

Won’t it??? I think they fought in a very strong era at 147. It's hard to compare eras and it will always come down to opinion but if you look at the welterweight division that prime Oscar and Shane fought in, I would consider that a stronger division, than Floyd and Pac's.Besides Oscar and Shane, it included quality welters like Felix Trinidad Ike Quartey Oba Carr Vernon Forrest Jose Luis Lopez Bu like I said, like everything in boxing, it always comes down to opinion.:cool:

Marquez and others nobodies beaten Pac convincingly in a honorable way compared to Floyd marathon/mma/wrestling/ tactics. Floyd will never be higher than Pac based (Floyd won over Pac) on this matter alone. Pac accomplishments in boxing comparison to Floyd is like night and day.

It is too late for a May/Pac 2. Did you see Floyd vs Logan Paul. Floyd's best days are gone. Floyd gave rematches to Castillo and Maids a. Why not Oscar and Manny who both for argument sakes "lost" very close matches to Floyd. Both Oscar and Manny deserved a second chance. The avoidance was strong and cringy in both cases at the time. Not only that.. Those IVs alone taints the fight for what it is.. Imagine Lance Armstrong with all those titles without those IVs.. Now Imagine Lance Armstrong with all those titles with those IVs.. Value of his wins go down the drain... What is worth.. Nada.. {"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"http:\/\/i.dailymail.co.uk\/i\/pix\/2012\/11\/11\/article-2231428-15F976F3000005DC-253_964x300.jpg"} {"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"http:\/\/static1.squarespace.com\/static\/54eb8de1e4b0328389b392ef\/t\/5595808ee4b0dd6032102707\/1435861134970\/"} {"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"http:\/\/i.imgur.com\/rxPYIvm.jpg?1"}

If Floyd's win in 15 doesn't mean much to his critics than his win over Pac in 21 would mean absolutely nothing. Oscar and Manny went 0-2 against Floyd. Rematch or not, Floyd can always say he beat both them and they never beat him. It is too late for a May/Pac 2. Did you see Floyd vs Logan Paul. Floyd's best days are gone. Floyd gave rematches to Castillo and Maids a. Why not Oscar and Manny who both for argument sakes "lost" very close matches to Floyd. Both Oscar and Manny deserved a second chance. The avoidance was strong and cringy in both cases at the time.

Of course Floyd's win in 15 doesn't mean much. A rematch would have given respect to Floyd, and shut up any critics. He chose not to. Wasn't his first time, the first was DLH. When Oscar wanted a rematch, Floyd retired. Floyd fans don't realize it wasn't just Manny that Floyd avoided. Doesn't help his cause of TBE. Lol If Floyd's win in 15 doesn't mean much to his critics than his win over Pac in 21 would mean absolutely nothing. Oscar and Manny went 0-2 against Floyd. Rematch or not, Floyd can always say he beat both them and they never beat him.

I thought that Floyd's win over 2015 pac doesn't mean much because he was past prime. So what would Floyd gain from beating 2021 pac? Of course Floyd's win in 15 doesn't mean much. A rematch would have given respect to Floyd, and shut up any critics. He chose not to. Wasn't his first time, the first was DLH. When Oscar wanted a rematch, Floyd retired. Floyd fans don't realize it wasn't just Manny that Floyd avoided. Doesn't help his cause of TBE. Lol

Floyd and Manny are top guys but you can't ignore the fact that the welterweight division in which they fought, won't be remembered as a great one. IMO Won’t it??? I think they fought in a very strong era at 147.

List of fighters who are better than manny and Floyd are short They within the top 25 Definitely top 25. Both within that 6-10 range for me personally.

Floyd and Manny are top guys but you can't ignore the fact that the welterweight division in which they fought, won't be remembered as a great one. IMO

I thought that Floyd's win over 2015 pac doesn't mean much because he was past prime. So what would Floyd gain from beating 2021 pac? Am I missing g something? It's high stakes at least according to mayweather and Floyd fans, the winner h2h is the best of era? so if the fight was the decider so to speak surely the fight would be on neutral ground? If Pac knew it was such high stakes he'd have fight in Philippines surely? But if course of Floyd can't rematch in philioinnes, just simply a rematch is least he could give. It's called being a man. But really we know really a rematch or rather a triology is to decide who really is better h2h, rather than who's best of era or how much credit Floyd would have got or not. Not sure credit is too high on Floyd s priorities, because he surely wouldn't have fought berto if he craved credit

Floyd had home advantage, just give Pac the rematch I thought that Floyd's win over 2015 pac doesn't mean much because he was past prime. So what would Floyd gain from beating 2021 pac?

Controversial? Every media outlet had Floyd winning. There's not a credible boxing site that had Pac winning the fight. Most had Floyd winning 8-10 rounds. Floyd had home advantage, just give Pac the rematch

It was a controversial win, with Iv, and bad shoulder amongst other things. Was you this philosophical and wise towards jmm fans and Floyd fans when.they were crying about Pac s wins over jmm? They couldn't get over it, maybe they could have with your therapeutic and calming words? Controversial? Every media outlet had Floyd winning. There's not a credible boxing site that had Pac winning the fight. Most had Floyd winning 8-10 rounds.

Trying to say Mayweather s win was controversial is just YOU being disingenuous. It was clear cut, unanimous points win. That Pacquiao fans won't accept that, or want to argue about it, doesn't change the verdict or what goes in the records. Get over it, move on. Nothing more to see here. It was a controversial win, with Iv, and bad shoulder amongst other things like it was supposed to be a trilogy fight but Floyd chose to cut Pac out of his life just like that? Was you this philosophical and wise towards jmm fans and Floyd fans when.they were crying about Pac s wins over jmm? You should have followed your own advice, but no you didnt. You got your rematch and the rest is history shall we say. They, you couldn't get over it, maybe they/you could have with your therapeutic and calming words? Or has age bought you this wisdom?

I think you underestimate how bad it reflects upon Floyd to not want to prove his 1st win wasn't a fluke. It was a controversial win there are a lot of talking points other than the unsatisfactory performance by Floyd and if you won't admit that you are being disengenuos. Floyd wasn't further from his peak he was just found out he wasn't as good as people thought he was. You saying he was further from peak is just you admitting Floyd didn't look good in his win. Floyd being far from his peak is just like Broner was far from peak when PAC beat him. PAC makes you look far from your peak Seriously?! Please don't try to twist my words; my saying that Floyd was further from his peak is exactly what I mean and believe. Trying to say Mayweather s win was controversial is just YOU being disingenuous. It was clear cut, unanimous points win. That Pacquiao fans won't accept that, or want to argue about it, doesn't change the verdict or what goes in the records. Get over it, move on. Nothing more to see here.

Imagine going to war with China back in the 1950’s and going to war with China now. Not the same. Canelo who fought floyd then and canelo now are two very different versions. While Floyd has exceptional defensive skills and very accurate timing, his ability to pick and choose his opponent and knit pick every detail of the fight sets him back behind Pac in the ATG list. Floyd never challenged himself…he set his sights on the money. While it was a very lucrative choice, walking down the $$ path is all together a different road than a fighter chasing legacy. Pac knows what it takes, Ali knew what it took, Sugar Ray Robinson knew what it took(these 3 fighters define boxing for their generation). True it's silly to use Floyd as figure to represent boxing and use Floyd's career as yardstick. If boxers do what Floyd did, boxing's future is in doubt. Fans don't get fights they want and fans lose out. Floyd frustrated the heck out of boxing world and even his fans were sick of his antics. Too much about unbeaten record, h2h wins with no rematches, home advantage, no risks. Do people really want that to define future of boxing? Do we want future boxing superstars to follow Floyd s route to greatness or pacs?

Sadly, Floyd won't get his just due until he's dead and gone. Manny is a warrior. No two ways about it, but the ease with which Floyd beat the vast majority of his opponents should never be overlooked. The pure skill and ring IQ that he displayed consistently has never been seen in a boxing ring. Pretty much but from reading that thread, seems like 90% of boxingscene is a bunch of ret@rded groupies. They cant give props to the "rival" of their man crush. It's so pathetic. You see the same name in every Manny or Floyd thread bashing one or the other resume. 99% of active boxers and past boxers have them both as ATG. Who is higher or lower is a matter of opinion. Floyd is the better boxer but Manny bring something else in the ring. It's up to preference but hey... can't resonate groupies

Sorry but "willing to prove . . ' isn't proving and counts for nothing. It doesn't count for "more than it does", it counts for what it was. A win, proven in the ring. Results in the ring are what counts, and Mayweather s win over Pacquiao was not controversial, it was a clear cut unanimous decision. I think that, upon reflection, it's clear that Floyd was further removed from his peak at the time of their fight than was Pacquiao. I think you underestimate how bad it reflects upon Floyd to not want to prove his 1st win wasn't a fluke. It was a controversial win there are a lot of talking points other than the unsatisfactory performance by Floyd and if you won't admit that you are being disengenuos. Floyd wasn't further from his peak he was just found out he wasn't as good as people thought he was. You saying he was further from peak is just you admitting Floyd didn't look good in his win. Floyd being far from his peak is just like Broner was far from peak when PAC beat him. PAC makes you look far from your peak