Not anyone, but I believe quite handful of HW have good chance of beating Wilder. In some fights, Wilder was terribly outboxed. He was right that he only need one perfect second to knock his opponent out. Unless he fought someone who outbox and get to him first, i.e solid jabs and hard punch combination. That said, I think Joshua, Joyce, Yoka, or Hrgovic can beat Wilder. Usyk obviously can win a very comfortable decision if he can avoid Wilder's right hook for the entire 12 rounds. In fact, for Usyk Wilder is probably not as difficult as Chisora who is a brawler and use his physical advantage, unlike Wilder.
Wilder is actually in the same weight class as an amateur, they both in Heavyweight division (equivalent to Cruiserweight in Pro). Usyk is by far the better pedigree. Wilder is dangerous when he land clean but with Usyk it would be difficult to land clean right hook and that is where Wilder is technically quite limited. If we look at the cut on Usyk face post AJ fight, they are in left, center, and right part of the face which indicates combination of left and right punch that landed. Wilder left hand is almost non existent - he knocked Fury down with a left but that after he landed the big right. That's why it was nonsense when Wilder said to open Fury's cut again. The cut is on Fury's right eye because Wallin is a southpaw.
Usyk will be too smart to avoid and break Wilder's rhythm. Unlike big George who can land big shot from every angle, Wilder needs to adjust before throwing and Usyk's footwork makes it very difficult. I think a KO is also possible for Usyk, not by one punch like a real heavyweight but series of fast combination could be devastating as well, like AJ in 12th round before saved by the bell.
Good point! My thoughts exactly... a fight where at one point some drunk nonce in the audience slurs out the truth: "this fight isn't about who goes down, its about who finally cannot get up!"
agree - not 'best' from technical standpoint but very entertaining. Fury's weight advantage enables him to go toe to toe and sometime reckless against Wilder. I don't think any of knock downs in 1st & 3rd fight impacting Fury's balance that much. His eyes were wide open and fully conscious so only need little time to recover.
it takes more than one party. To begin with, all sporting organizations basically are corrupt .You name it : FIFA, UEFA, IOC, and boxing have 4 major organizations where each of them also corrupt in their own way. Let alone, boxing organizations are like family-owned company. In 2080 maybe Jose Sulaiman V is the president of WBC. Promoters are businessmen, they look for opportunities and 'connecting the dots', so judges, referee, all have the roles on which button to press. And like any forms of corruption, money flows and those who complaint usually didn't get the share, but not challenging the system.
it's time for prospects to be contenders. Wilder will stay relevant if he face tougher opponents and not cherry picking like when he had the belt, which means fighting prime opponents age late 20's to early 30s. Although Wilder is 35, I see that he's still physically strong given relatively few rounds throughout his careers. Ruiz, Whyte, DDD, Parker, Yoka, Hrgovic, or even Gassiev are good options to gear up before another championship fight, if the opportunity arises. Depends on how Usyk AJ rematch, I think eventually the one of belts will be dropped by the champion if fail to commit mandatory fights
Usyk is a late bloomer, he spent more years in amateur and won Olympic gold medal at the age of 25. He even mentioned the Olympic gold medal is a higher achievement than any professional belts. He already beat Joyce in WSB before he turned pro. I believe he has a good chance of beating Fury if he can cut the distance. Fury's style is awkward but Usyk is also difficult to hit by a guy with the size of Fury. If he can maintain 80% of his footwork in the next few years, maybe he can still be competitive for another 3-4 years. By that time current HW prospects Hrgovic or Yoka would already be 33 - 34 years old, and Joyce is even older than Usyk.
I would favour Fury but you never know for sure what could happen. I think Fury would use a lot of mauling tactics and holding to wear Usyk down by putting his weight on him while on the ropes.
But I would favour Usyk against Wilder.
It would be a battle epic of jabs. If Usyk can land his own, things would be more interesting. But like many mentioned here, Fury is smart enough to switch the game by pushing and clinching Usyk, or make Usyk's footwork less relevant. This why Chisora style is more effective because of less boxing and more brawling. Wilder style is good match up for Usyk because Wilder is more static - unless Malik Scott can improve it. But without good jab, Wilder's right hook might bee too predictable for Usyk and he can land earlier and more before even Wilder can cause him problem
With more prospects coming from amateur background (especially east Europeans) lots of prospects are 30 and above. They turn to pro at mid twenties and build reputation pretty quickly. Not only in HW, but the same blueprint as Usyk, Lomachenko, Beterbiev, GGG. This means their pro career must be well planned, otherwise the time frame is too narrow. Joyce is a late bloomer, but I still consider him as a prospect and can have a good 4-5 years ahead of him- his wear and tear might not be as significant as those who started at much younger age.
whoever unifies the division will retire as undisputed champion. Then belts will be open for mandatory prospects with the likes of Jarred Anderson, Filip Hrgovic, Joe Joyce, DDD, and Frank Sanchez on the line. If Jalolov is fast tracked, he can be a candidate for title fights as well. AJ might still be around as he is still 35 in 3 years time, maybe Wilder too if he managed to rebuild his career - aside from Fury trilogy not much of wear and tear so maybe he still has something.
Would be a 50-50 due to several reasons :
- Usyk footwork and speed is nothing that Fury has ever faced before. Fury's movement is incredible for a HW, but not as good as Usyk who is naturally lighter
- Being a southpaw and unpredictable, Usyk has a good chance to close the gap and somehow land something. Probably not a big one but enough to score a point
- Fury's power comes with his weight, not a raw power like Wilder or AJ. Unless his opponents are stationary like Wilder or Whyte, would be quite hard to land clean on Usyk
But no doubt Fury is exceptional, if he can do what Teofimo did to Loma for the first 7-8 rounds, he might be able to prevent Usyk from cutting the distance and finding his rhythm. It would be a chess game and not action packed
It's good they keep the balance between sports and business. Wouldn't be surprised if AJ or Teo were given the W elsewhere, but at least no significant controversies / robberies here.
Not sure if he can carry his power at 140. Most top guys at 140, except Prograis are not big punchers but they have great technical abilities and quite stacked. Jumping straight to the likes of Ramirez, Prograis, let alone Tank and Taylor would be risky. I see all of them can beat Teo comfortably. Baranchyk or gate keeper Postol are more suitable.
Clean Fighters
Inoue
Lomachenko
Bivol
Golovkin
Chocalatito
This is why I respect GGG even more. He fought a younger, at peak, and suspected PED Canelo when he was already 35 y.o.
I understand the business part of boxing (as in other sports), however unlike other sports, professional boxing is losing it's sporting aspects. Family biz sanctioning bodies & promoters, lack of integrity, basically no new ideas to improve. No wonder we don't see champion vs. champion at their primes.
From light heavyweight to Super Heavyweight there are more talents from Eastern Europe. I'm not sure why, maybe a combination of amateur background and less talent in the US. In HW, I see current top prospects are Hrgovic, Yoka, and Jalolov. Joyce, Yoka, DDD are black but not American. Okolie is black but most of elite contenders in CW are white eastern European. LHW is the same with Beterbiev and Bivol dominating the class. It's actually weird because physically LHW above mostly are black and caucasian, which means less competitive. Lower weight class on the other hand have plenty of latinos and asian in the mix.
His dad was giving him terrible advice . Telling Teo he was winning every round. Even when Teo CLEARLY lost a round, the dad would say " beautiful round !" ..the dad should be fired immediately. Anyhow, the right man won . I had it 8-4 in Rds . No need to count knockdowns as they cancel each other out . 8-4 Kambosos
exactly! they're both delusional. Teo is a very talented boxer but mentally erratic. Sr antics doesn't help when he's on the back foot. Clearly after 6 rounds Teo gassed out and Sr has no plan B, or maybe he really believed Teo was ahead
...and Hrgovic was at an even greater weight disparity than Joyce. Zhang outweighed Hrgovic by 34lbs.
Hrgovic is technically better, but he didn't get tough opponents for a long time hence he was quite stagnant in his development. I recall young Hrgovic gave a lot of problem for Wilder when they sparred. So out of 3 medalists in Yoka, Hrgovic, and Joyce, the leading candidate for world title is Hrgovic with Joyce needs to go back to drawing board and Yoka might need to ask himself if he still want to pursue elite level boxing
What have Yarde done to deserve a shot at Beterbiev, who now a 3 belts holder? True, he is #1 on WBO, but the only real opponent he has faced is Kovalev, an aging Kovalev. He managed to wobble Kovalev but that's because Kovalev gassed out - and Yarde even worse for a much younger fighter. Lyndon Arthur is a regional household name that carry no credibility on resume.
It could be an interim match before unification, but I would rather have it sooner than later while both Bivol and Beterbiev are in their prime. 175 is a much better division to unify than 168. The journey of Beterbiev to unify IBF from The Nail, then Smith, and Bivol still there with WBC is tougher than Canelo sweeping 168.
Fury's main strength is his elusiveness despite being a big guy, even for a HW standard. But now he's about to face someone smaller and more elusive. Fury can knock any HW because of his massive weight but not through raw power. Wilder, Chisora, and Whyte are quite static hence relatively easy for Usyk to land his big shot.
Therefore unless he lands clean it will be very difficult to catch Usyk. Very unlikely for Usyk to win by KO, but certainly he can land more clean shot than Fury and win by decision. If, and only if this fight ever happen, I would expect Fury to brawl and avoid Usyk land combination.
Beterbiev allowed the slugfest to happen because he knew what he's dealing with. For someone who has fought HW in the past during armature days, I don't think he's worried too much about Yarde's power. Beterbiev can win more convincingly if he just box and break Yarde slowly but it wouldn't be an exciting match. Beterbiev always want to put up a good show. Credits to Yarde to be able to take so many clean power shots and land land some of his own.
Depends on how the bodies rank
If we look at WBC ranking, aside from Luis Ortiz and Michael Hunter there are Usyk, Ruiz, Joyce, Hrgovic, Whyte, and Parker on top 10. Most of them are difficult opponents for Wilder. Young Hrgovic completely outboxed Wilder during David Haye camp, so obviously now he has developed even more. On IBF ranking there are also Tony Yoka, a gold medalist with good skill.
So you're right, if Wilder wants to rebuild he can starts with WBA. He has better chance in fighting Dinu. Any fighters with good jab and solid 1-2 combinations have the potential to knock Wilder out. I believe all the names I mentioned above have good chance of doing it.
I’m not so sure Wilder’s career is over. He is the WBA #4. For some stupid reason Dinu is the WBA #3 & rumours are he could be Wilder’s comeback opponent. He flattens Dinu there are only 3 men ahead of him. Charr, Bryan & Helenius. Helenius is rematching Kownacki & Bryan must fight Charr by May 31 or get stripped. Fres Oquendo still in there somewhere too but 2021 will have 2 Fury/Joshua fights. The Charr/Bryan & Helenius/Kownacki fights will be sorted out by summer. Charr/Bryan winner is WBA mandatory. Helenius/Kownacki winner will be the Gold champion (Whatever that means). If Wilder beats Dinu he is at the top of the rankings. I fully expect the winner of Joshua/Fury will vacate both the WBO & WBA straps leaving Charr/Bryan winner fighting for the vacant WBA title against... Wilder. This is only speculation by me that the WBA becomes vacant. Maybe Charr/Bryan winner gets lifted to full WBA champion & Wilder fights Kownacki/Helenius winner for Mandatory spot or they just make Wilder the mandatory. I actually don’t see Bryan, Charr, Helenius or Kownacki beating Wilder because they are all slower & easy to hit which is a recipe for disaster against Wilder. Some may think I’m nuts but I have speculated a few times over the past & was correct. The Leapai title fight. Haye getting his title fight with Valuev instead of voluntaries against Klitschko (So he would have better leverage) I speculated the scenarios as possibilities a year before they happened. I’m no Nostradamus but have been right a few times. Don King is still lurking with his hand on Bryan & his history with the WBA. If the belt gets vacated King will push for Bryan to be awarded the title instead of earning it. Wilder would be the most lucrative fight King could cash out Bryan on if he gets past Charr & i think he will.
The situation with Hrgovic is crazy and a frustrating overall HW situation.
First he wanted to fight Bakole, then Hunter came up as mandatory. Hunter turned it down and ruin his own career. Then Ortiz turned it down. Then Yoka was available but challenged by Bakole (who was originally should fight Hrgovic). Now Ruiz & Gassiev and I won't be surprised if it is not going to happen again. Gassiev is a good match actually, he is young and relatively at the same age as Hrgovic, aside from Yoka.
All these failed match ups are for eliminator and not some random fights to up their ranking, and yet lots of them turn it down. Hrgovic is a beast, but I don't think he is unbeatable. Should not be avoided unless by title holders if it's considered as high risk-low reward. For contenders and those who ranks below Hrgovic, it should be seen an opportunity.
So either Hrgovic is really ducked, or his promoters doing a really really bad job.
Im following hrgovic since 2010 and i dont agree with anyone who talks about Hrgovic recently resume in pro boxing...he already passed those kind of boxers in WSB where he had tougher opponents than in top 20 pros right now.
He is the only guy in heavy ranks with 30 semi professional fights and the only guy in history that knocked 3 cubban boxers.
In my opinion when he joined pro ranks he already was top 5.
He doesnt have any exucuses to beat easily everyone extempt usyk, fury, joshua which will be interesting fights....
Agree, Hrgovic narrowly lost to a more experienced Joe Joyce in WSB, and outboxed Wilder in sparring, even not troubled by his big punch. I believe he is all risk-no gain for most contenders in HW, that's why his resume looks thin.
Yoka, Hrgovic, and Joyce were the medalists in 2016 Olympics. I think currently it's Joyce who is in a better position as he has gone trough tougher challenge in Dubois. I like Hrgovic, but inactivity and facing low level opponents has limited his growth potential as shown during the fight with Zhang Zhilei who is far better opponent than any other that Hrgovic's faced. As for Yoka, I don't expect he would break through to elite level - he can, but seems like mentally he's not there.
LHW is an interesting division for unification. I wish there's tournament like WBSS to facilitate it - great treat for boxing fans without too much of promoters drama.
Beterbiev is going to beat Smith Jr quite easy. If two power punchers collide then one with stronger technical ability will win, just like when GGG beat Lemieux.
People might see Beterbiev as a banger but his amateur background is solid - he once knocked the bigger, and more technical Usyk down in an amateur fight with a body shot.
Beterbiev vs. Bivol would be a tough call. If Bivol can do what Browne did in first 2 rounds throughout the fight, he could win a UD. The thing is, Beterbiev has more variantion of punches from different angles and they're all powerful. But if there's one person that I give a chance to frustrate Beterbiev then definitely it's Bivol
I don't think Yarde was ahead on scorecard, but if all close rounds were given to Yarde then judges' scorecard make sense. What it doesn't reflect is the damage of the punches and ring generalship in which Beterbiev more dominant. Beterbiev never looked seriously hurt and the cut was from headbutt. Again, if it's purely from number of punches landed it was quite close
Great performance by Zhang! He's bigger than Joyce but both his footwork and head movement was better. Obviously an accomplished amateur and technically complete. I wouldn't be surprised if he can trouble Fury, he is a southpaw and Fury doesn't like southpaw. What Wallin could do to Fury, Zhang could do the same. Zhang vs Usyk would be very interesting battle of southpaws but Usyk with empty the gas out of Zhang.
I'm a bit surprised that it's US judge who gave the win for AJ while British judge gave it to Usyk, albeit a very close one. But no doubt Usyk win and cleanly. AJ looks better in this second fight from aggression stands point, but did not hurt Usyk as much as the first one. He tried to rough up Usyk in round 11-12, maybe due to exhaustion, but simply did not work. He's not Chisora and with his amateur experience he doesn't master dogfight, if that's a way to take Usyk's technical advantage.
With this accomplishment, Usyk is among elite heavyweight in the history that came from CW. Holyfield is great but he always found difficulties against bug guys like Bowe or Lewis. I'm not saying that AJ is better than Bowe / Lewis, but in this era, AJ is one of the strongest fighters with good power shots and jabs. Usyk - Fury is going to be very exciting. Fury's feint and footwork is very impressive, but Usyk could be faster coming from lighter division. He might be taking more risk against Fury given Fury's raw power is not as powerful as AJ
117-111 is criminal, I can understand the 114-114 as kind of hometown benefit for the Texan.
If Jermell opt not to rematch and not moving up to 160 (because Jermall is there) then who is he going to fight? The only options are Lara & Tsyzu but Lara is no longer in his prime and Tsyzu hasn't been credible outside of Australia. Unless another rematch with Lubin or JRock