Why do some people pretend anyone at HW could beat Wilder?

He'll be easier to beat now that Fury has shown how it's done. Wilder will need to adapt because previously his opponents, including Fury in the first fight, relied on out-boxing him. That was a failed strategy because, as Wilder puts it, he only has to be good for a second of each fight. Fury showed that he can be bullied on the inside if a fighter can slip the right hand to get there. Fury is 6’9’, 273lbs. He had 40lbs on Wilder. I don’t know why it’s so hard for some fans to understand Fury’s blueprint was not some smart tactical gameplan. It was literally to use his size advantage on the smaller, shorter Wilder. He didn’t “outbox” or ran from Wilder. Andy Ruiz can’t use the same “blueprint” on Wilder. Neither can Joseph Parker. Or Dillian Whyte. They can’t use Tyson Fury’s size/height advantage on Wilder. Because they don’t have these advantages. So I don’t know what this “blueprint” is. When Tyson lost to Douglas, other top 10 HW’s couldn’t replicate what Douglas did. Lol there is no blueprint. The win over Wilder is unique to Tyson Fury. No one else at HW can beat Wilder using Fury’s tactics.

He'll be easier to beat now that Fury has shown how it's done. Wilder will need to adapt because previously his opponents, including Fury in the first fight, relied on out-boxing him. That was a failed strategy because, as Wilder puts it, he only has to be good for a second of each fight. Fury showed that he can be bullied on the inside if a fighter can slip the right hand to get there.

If a fighter is fighting well in every round, but gets KO’ed in a round, he sucks. The work he put in gets erased off of fans minds. It’s how fans have adapted to see fights. I’m beating you 11 rounds, you KO me in the 12th. I suck. And the fighter who got the KO also sucks, because he lost 11 rounds and his power won him the fight. So both professional fighters suck according to the guy on the couch. :lol1::lol1: I was going to just "like" the post but I had to add... If you say enough times, "X is washed up" its like the common cold, everyone starts saying it.

That's being very selective. For one, you don't need to be a good finisher to win a fight. On top of that, if Ali's KO of Liston happens today, every says Liston is packing glass. Let's put it this way, Tyson Fury beats Liston whether he fights off the back foot, like he did against Wlad, or on the front foot like he did vs Wilder. Liston could only dream of having the variation and skillset of Tyson Fury. Way to much bias goes in favor of these olden day guys. ? Have you watched Liston fight? Liston was probably 40 something when he fought Ali. Fury has never fought a fighter who pressured near what Liston did. Look... I like Tyson, I think he has skills but he has only really fought two fighters of any real rank... And the mark of a great fighter is that they make the other guy NOT able... So in reality if Fury fought Liston, one has to ask not what each man can do, but rather, what each man can do to prevent the other man from doing.

Ortiz looked good to me that fight. He was constantly throwing the jab, working off the jab occasionally hitting with the cross... I mean you really think he looked like a shot fighter? We can agree to disagree. If a fighter is fighting well in every round, but gets KO’ed in a round, he sucks. The work he put in gets erased off of fans minds. It’s how fans have adapted to see fights. I’m beating you 11 rounds, you KO me in the 12th. I suck. And the fighter who got the KO also sucks, because he lost 11 rounds and his power won him the fight. So both professional fighters suck according to the guy on the couch.

Ok so lets look at Vitali. I think he was better than his brother, and had some decent qualities of durability, chin, power... Now compare him to Liston (bare with me) and you will see what the long game looks like, when evaluating what a fighter is capable of. I use Liston because Liston has some similarities with the unrefined style, psychology and development of a fighter like vitalie. Both men were durable, big, strong, had power and could fight. Heres how a comparison would look after watching tape, evaluating competition, etc... Liston: Great finisher, intense psychological pressure, strong, great chin, punches in bunches, great jab, defensively ok, could fight all ranges. Vitalie: Horrid finisher, no real pschyolgical presence to speak of, strong, great chin, occasionally can throw a combo, decent jab, Defensively ok, only really fights from the outside. So, this gives you an idea of how Vitalie would probably do against a great heavyweight fighter. That's being very selective. For one, you don't need to be a good finisher to win a fight. On top of that, if Ali's KO of Liston happens today, every says Liston is packing glass. Let's put it this way, Tyson Fury beats Liston whether he fights off the back foot, like he did against Wlad, or on the front foot like he did vs Wilder. Liston could only dream of having the variation and skillset of Tyson Fury. Way to much bias goes in favor of these olden day guys.

In the first Wilder fight Ortiz punched himself out with 2 short bursts of aggression toward the end of the 7th round and at the beginning of the 8th after rocking Wilder and and having him seemingly on the verge of defeat. Failing to close a fight because you don't have enough stamina to keep an attack going for more than 2 minutes is a sign of a shot fighter. In the second fight Ruiz looked old, slow and shot from the first bell. Yes, he was outscoring Deontay, but only because Deontay was doing nothing except wait for an opening to land his big right hand. Ruiz? Thats what Wilder does... "wait to land a big right hand." Again: a puncher's game is in the number of opportunities he gets. Your goal is not to win rounds, but to get the most shots at the gold ring... A great example of this is the Louis Conn fight. louis was being beat the entire fight, and when he got his opportunity he delivered. In that second fight Ortiz landed jabs, he was winning rounds like he should, and as a smart fighter, if you win the rounds with the jab, why risk the bigger punch? As far as the first fight, Ortiz was no different than many fighters in the division today who lack the ability to fight 3 minutes of every round and tire in the later rounds... what is AJ's excuse? Or Whyte's?

Wlad, Vitali and Lewis would be problems for any HW's in history. Ok so lets look at Vitali. I think he was better than his brother, and had some decent qualities of durability, chin, power... Now compare him to Liston (bare with me) and you will see what the long game looks like, when evaluating what a fighter is capable of. I use Liston because Liston has some similarities with the unrefined style, psychology and development of a fighter like vitalie. Both men were durable, big, strong, had power and could fight. Heres how a comparison would look after watching tape, evaluating competition, etc... Liston: Great finisher, intense psychological pressure, strong, great chin, punches in bunches, great jab, defensively ok, could fight all ranges. Vitalie: Horrid finisher, no real pschyolgical presence to speak of, strong, great chin, occasionally can throw a combo, decent jab, Defensively ok, only really fights from the outside. So, this gives you an idea of how Vitalie would probably do against a great heavyweight fighter.

What we're you watching, Ortiz looked like what he is in the second fight, an OLD MAN. Yes he was outboxing Wilder, guess what, Eric Molina outboxed Wilder. Ortiz is a bum who's only good win in his entire career was Bryant Jennings. Ortiz looked good to me that fight. He was constantly throwing the jab, working off the jab occasionally hitting with the cross... I mean you really think he looked like a shot fighter? We can agree to disagree.

Jesus christ you know literally nothing about boxing You need to get your eyes fixed and lay off the whacky Everything I said was right. I've watched boxing for 30 years, and make thousands, upon thousands in boxing betting every year. I've posted many of my bets on here before, such as Lopez beating Loma. You need to stop being ignorant and realise that you can learn a lot from Nash. I'm a boxing Scene Hall of Famer for a reason. Nash out.

Selective memory. Bowe had one great year, even then, that was beating Holyfield 2 out of 3 when he was new to HW, and very undersized, then, he put his belt in the bin to avoid a beating from Lewis. Golota was an average C level fighter, no better than someone like Helenius, Tua, was a man stuck in treacle. Jesus christ you know literally nothing about boxing You need to get your eyes fixed and lay off the whacky

You know... a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away... Someone said "Ortiz is old. He is a wash!! A bum." And like a misguided greek chorus the recriminations were repeated, ad naseum. How many people who say this believe this? And how many who believe this watched his second fight with Wilder? Ortiz may be old but he fought very well that fight. he was active, and he was winning. He was doing what many boxers in the prime of their career do: working off his jab, pressuring Wilder, etc. You can see when a fighter is out of shape, washed up, etc... Ortiz did not actually look such in his fights with Wilder, especially the second. In the first Wilder fight Ortiz punched himself out with 2 short bursts of aggression toward the end of the 7th round and at the beginning of the 8th after rocking Wilder and and having him seemingly on the verge of defeat. Failing to close a fight because you don't have enough stamina to keep an attack going for more than 2 minutes is a sign of a shot fighter. In the second fight Ortiz looked old, slow and shot from the first bell. Yes, he was outscoring Deontay, but only because Deontay was doing nothing except wait for an opening to land his big right hand.

This thread title is honestly the first time I've seen it said. Wilder is easily top 3 in a shlt era of hw. Ive seen people talk about it a lot. They say Wilder couldn't even beat such and such. That is how it worked with AJ too when he lost to Ruiz, everyone said he is done. Modern boxing fans see one L and that means you are finished, doesn't matter the context of the loss, doesn't matter if you come back or not. All the greats of the past have lost and bounced back, that is what makes them great. The only guy who has avoided the LOSS has been Floyd Mayweather and he is a legend. I believe Wilder still beats 99% of heavyweights today, the only guy who has a chance of beating Wilder imo is AJ, and that is the fight I originally wanted to see, Wilder vs AJ. I believe Wilder will knock AJ out because of his speed and because of how "standard" Joshua is. I believe his hanging around in midrange is what is going to allow Wilder to land his right hand and end it. I do give AJ a chance because if he can get on the inside and land some combinations I believe he has the power to stop Wilder. But SADLY due to boxing politics being shit we will not see this fight ever.

Bowe was an awesome boxer with a sweet as **** jab. He beats 10 Whytes in the same night. And Golota was not a journeyman, he was a legit contender who could have beat Bowe and gone to win the belt if he wasn't so mentally ****ed up. Selective memory. Bowe had one great year, even then, that was beating Holyfield 2 out of 3 when he was new to HW, and very undersized, then, he put his belt in the bin to avoid a beating from Lewis. Golota was an average C level fighter, no better than someone like Helenius, Tua, was a man stuck in treacle.

Holyfield and Lewis were world class, Bowe was outclassed twice by a journeyman in Golota in his prime, and is as best B level, no better than Dillian Whyte, actually, I'd say worse, and Tua is just a forgotten HW, and rightly so. Fury could beat him blindfolded. Bowe was an awesome boxer with a sweet as fuck jab. He beats 10 Whytes in the same night. And Golota was not a journeyman, he was a legit contender who could have beat Bowe and gone to win the belt if he wasn't so mentally fucked up.

Back to OP's subject. Wilder is now considered chinny because he was "knocked out", although he wasn't put flat on his back unconscious. I hate the stigma of a boxer being knocked out and then deemed "washed up" by the boxing experts. It puts me off the sport and why boxing is so fucking boring today.

Really? Are you including the 70s in your assessment? In the 90s you had Holyfield, Lennox, Tua, Bowe.....I say all those four knock out any HW in this era. And we all know the 70s was the greatest era ever in HW boxing. Watch more HW fights on YouTube. Holyfield and Lewis were world class, Bowe was outclassed twice by a journeyman in Golota in his prime, and is as best B level, no better than Dillian Whyte, actually, I'd say worse, and Tua is just a forgotten HW, and rightly so. Fury could beat him blindfolded.

This is the best era of HW's ever. The 90s was garbage, if you said that, I'd agree. Mike Tyson wouldn't be top 20 in today's brilliant era. Kronk is the GOAT. Nash out. Really? Are you including the 70s in your assessment? In the 90s you had Holyfield, Lennox, Tua, Bowe.....I say all those four knock out any HW in this era. And we all know the 70s was the greatest era ever in HW boxing. Watch more HW fights on YouTube.

I disagree. Either young Klitz or Lewis would be a problem for ANY of today’s CURRENT heavyweight boxers. Wlad, Vitali and Lewis would be problems for any HW's in history.

As mediocre as Wilder is at the top tier of HW in boxing skills but the dude can still throw like very few in the history of the game and he's got a bronze medal. His power bail him out most of the time but he's not that bad or he would have lost before. He only lost to the best.