The Myth of black decline and Eastern European dominance in boxing

Ok so looked it up and found the following : European decent fighters hold 20 titles 12 of which are from the eastren block (10 is in light heavy to heavy the rest are scattered, only one white american) African decent fighters (including 1 black latino) hold 15 titles 12 of which are african american.(10 are in lightweight to super middleweight) Latinos/Hispanics hold 17 titles 10 of which are mexican decent. The rest are other or vacant. So in deduction, European decent dominate the heavier classes, black dominate the middle classes and mexicans dominate the lighter classes, the same it has been from like the time klitchko dominated, therfore this thread is useless. worth noting is the european and african decent champions hold on average multiple titles (Usyk 3 Josh taylor 4 charlo 3 for example) unlike most mexicans other than canelo.

From light heavyweight to Super Heavyweight there are more talents from Eastern Europe. I'm not sure why, maybe a combination of amateur background and less talent in the US. In HW, I see current top prospects are Hrgovic, Yoka, and Jalolov. Joyce, Yoka, DDD are black but not American. Okolie is black but most of elite contenders in CW are white eastern European. LHW is the same with Beterbiev and Bivol dominating the class. It's actually weird because physically LHW above mostly are black and caucasian, which means less competitive. Lower weight class on the other hand have plenty of latinos and asian in the mix.

So one loss invalidates the rest of the boxing landscape how many EE champs do we have now?

I thought American blacks don't view Joshua as a "brotha"?, he's a soft brit lol

A blonde hair, blued eyed ukrainian just beat a hyped up african for the HW title. Alot of peoples hearts on fire right now lmao

LMAO at the euro bandwagon losers disowning Joshua. Y'all ain't got no loyality. Fuck off.

Paulie Malignaggi deserves an apology! And the LDBC OP has been owned… tsk tsk true dat 100%

This racists thread ages poorly What kind of moron post

E.Europeans tend to do better than Black Cubans in the pros despite similar amateur programs/pedigree

This thread was influenced by the Arum avoids black boxers post, and The Paulie Malignaggi comments that unfairly (in my opinion) led to his dismissal. The narrative in boxing seems to be that Eastern Europeans now dominate boxing due in no part to fantastic fighters like Lomachenko and Beterbiev; however, in Boxing's 17 weight classes, we currently have 16 black champions of African descent whereas you currently have 8 champions of eastern European descent. The Dominant nation is still America with 19 champions, and the United Kingdom, a tiny nation continues to punch above its weight with 6 champions despite having one-sixth the population of America. Why does this myth of Eastern European dominance exist when they only have two more world champions than little Britain? I don’t know and don’t care. Why does race always have to be a thing in boxing?

Eastern euro are just not that good all you do is post about them but they all get beat when they finally decide to step it up. Sorry to burst your bubble you Nazi!!!! LOL that's why Wlad was king of the HW division for a decade, where was the great black hope then? P.S there are more Eastern Europs on the top 10 p4p list than A. Americans :)

Wow 13 pages of this? Such a shame that Whites, blacks and Latino' feel the need to do this who is dominating what nonsense. I was guna call it whipping them out and having a **** measuring contest but that won't work lol. Its just Boxing.

This thread was influenced by the Arum avoids black boxers post, and The Paulie Malignaggi comments that unfairly (in my opinion) led to his dismissal. The narrative in boxing seems to be that Eastern Europeans now dominate boxing due in no part to fantastic fighters like Lomachenko and Beterbiev; however, in Boxing's 17 weight classes, we currently have 16 black champions of African descent whereas you currently have 8 champions of eastern European descent. The Dominant nation is still America with 19 champions, and the United Kingdom, a tiny nation continues to punch above its weight with 6 champions despite having one-sixth the population of America. Why does this myth of Eastern European dominance exist when they only have two more world champions than little Britain? Eastern Europeans don't really care about the midget weights that much so its not really a good comparison

You are not very different, 400 years of slavery did not genetically change African American's. This ideology you are taking on board is racist, and is used to discredit Black people even more. So white people are responsible for Black athletes success? Sort yourself out 'You are acting and typing like a backwards chump'. The same could be stated about white people? There is no such thing as a 100% pure white race, if you want to get real technical about it 'If you want to get real scientific, there is the black race and then everyone else is a variation of black'. There is not a single race of people on this planet, who does not have blackness in their genetics 'Black people are ground zero of humanity'. That is science. Note: I don't usually get involved in debates like this, but goodness me? There are some complete weasels knocking about here. Overall that is a very ill informed ideology you are taking on Bigblackted44,. Very very low perception of themselves African American's seem to have, and this has all been engineered. I never said anything about White people being responsible for anything. When you take a group of people and place them in two totally different places for 400 years they do not magically stay the same people. Your an idiot with an agenda that came on here trying to kick knowledge and call somebody when your whole reply was an inference. Are white Americans that have been over here since the 1600 the same as people starlight from Europe, of course not. All I said was that we are different genetically. This is true. Your arguing science if you say otherwise. Africans are also great at sports so why are you bringing white people into this when I said nothing about white people. I in fact have a high perception of myself, maybe you need to look into the mirror and think about what you think of black people for you to go on this disgusting rant without even asking for a clarification of what I meant and inferring that I have low self esteem or that I think White people made black great athletes or that I give af who has black blood or not. Also if your going to correct somebody in the name is science be all the way right and not say half truths.

numbers and qaulity. THere's only millions of Slavs. There are BILLIONS of Black people. Eastern European fighters still come from MUCH more limited means. Black fighters owe their development to White trainers - the ones who actually took a risk on them not being complete fook ups. Not really sure Black fighters proved them right, tbh. ANd to the wealth America has. But really, Lomachenko is still the best P4P. ANd Usyk is right behind him = definitely the most skilled big man we've ever seen. The only Heavyweight in history who would beat the Klitchkos at their best is Fury, another White dude. And let's not forget, Eastern Europeans STILL have other accomplishments to speak of. There's countless Eastern European Billionaires, leading academics, medical practitioners, scientists, artists, distillers, chefs, engineers, religious leaders, military professionals, etc. Really, Black people just don't represent in those fields in any measurable way comparable to Eastern Europeans. Hell, even the Klitchkos had their Doctorates. You are having a full on melt down aren’t you there fella? Calm down the world won’t end because your messiah lost

I'm clearly responding in a way to irritate him, but i only do it when he initiates it literally every thing he talks about is race Fair enough 👍🏿

Fair enough don't respond in kind it makes it so you aren't any better than him. I'm clearly responding in a way to irritate him, but i only do it when he initiates it literally every thing he talks about is race

sorry i might confuse with kid bazooka who is actually obsessed with race 24/7 Fair enough don't respond in kind it makes it so you aren't any better than him.

😂 this is getting sad now plenty of white people are incredible fighters and I don't think otherwise the two biggest and by virtue of this best fighters in the world at the moment are Joshua and fury one of whom is white I never said white people can't fight and I wouldn't because that would not be true sorry i might confuse with kid bazooka who is actually obsessed with race 24/7

why should white people waste time fighting when they make stuff like this https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/Apollo_11_Launch_-_GPN-2000-000630.jpg 😂 this is getting sad now plenty of white people are incredible fighters and I don't think otherwise the two biggest and by virtue of this best fighters in the world at the moment are Joshua and fury one of whom is white I never said white people can't fight and I wouldn't because that would not be true