A show of willpower ..two chinny guys knocking each other over ..Ali certainly wouldn't have touched the canvas if he was in there with either of them
Your talking about an ATG in the most competative division there ever was for the heavyweights...Have some perspective.
Lewis and vitali were both high calibre fighters though with proper pedigree in boxing
Wilder Started boxing I his 20s and was gifted a vacant belt...it's not the huge win people like to make out it is
Its a weak division... I get an amazing amount of pushback when trying to get people to empirically understand what you just rationalized... Thats a mouthful let me explain: You can watch fighters from different eras on Youtube. You can look at a fighter from the eighties, list the things they do in the ring... things like, punches (what punches do they throw), movement, (how well they move, how natural they look), fighting in the different ranges (can they do it). You can take a relatively succesful fighter in the 80;s (for example) like Tucker. Compare him to Helenius, or Ruiz. Its all right there to see.
You can look at stone cold punchers... Shavers, Lyle, much less Foreman. Shavers and Lyle could sleep you with both hands, could fight at all ranges, moved well in the ring. Compare that to Wilder.
As the young uns say these days "it is what it is" I mean its heavyweight boxing, it was an exciting fight where willpower was exemplory, and Fury does move well and have skills in the ring, but at the end of the day this division is very weak and needs guys in the rear to fight, and establish who will become great. Like the Sanchez fight, it exposed someone, good, thats what we need. The prospects have to get in there and fight it out, then Fury has to do what Lewis did for fighters like Grant... give them a chance!
Clumsy, gassed HWs?
Try skilled fighters, the slickest wizard in the history of the division vs the most deadly puncher the planet has ever known. Outside of Tyson. High level boxing. A poetic bloodbath.
Tommy morrison was more dangerous than wilder ..wilder has fought nobody of note and gifted a belt and also started boxing at 25 odd
Its a trash win but you eat it up
You're A more dangerous fighter if you can set it up and land...wilder is the worst heavyweight champion of all time
Thats not for us to decide. The long view on this fight will be the provenance of history. There has to be time flowing before we look at this fight and compare it to something like Lyle versus Foreman. The fight was entertaining, it had moments of drama, of skill, which often has to be sussed out from what looks like sloppiness, and a show of will power that was fantastic.
A show of willpower ..two chinny guys knocking each other over ..Ali certainly wouldn't have touched the canvas if he was in there with either of them
Keep something in mind: People are just coming around to accepting that the Lewis Klitsck clash was a great fight. At the time the fight was a real downer... it basically soured Lewis to the boxing establishment. I don't blame him Merchant was a cck scker and a half to Lewis that night... Lewis has mellowed and people are now looking at that fight and realizing it was a great contest of wills, skill, and IMO proved Lewis' greatness. But it took a few years later to see the fight that way.
Lewis and vitali were both high calibre fighters though with proper pedigree in boxing
Wilder Started boxing I his 20s and was gifted a vacant belt...it's not the huge win people like to make out it is
Clumsy, gassed HWs?
Try skilled fighters, the slickest wizard in the history of the division vs the most deadly puncher the planet has ever known. Outside of Tyson. High level boxing. A poetic bloodbath.
Wilder has done nothing more than pavjic and cunningham already did
There's levels to power and to and truly top guys makes you a puncher ..like prince naseem
This guy has beat who ? Stiverne and ortiz??
There'sThereby wilder would stand a chance against Joyce let alone go down as the biggest puncher that ever lived
This was Marquez vs Pac 4 tier
Sweet Jesus.
WILDER IS AN IRON JAWED WARRIOR
So is Fury. God damn that was insane
I dunno about iron jawed man. I mean, he had heart - it took heart and guts to get up..but if he had an iron jaw, he wouldn't have been knocked down so much in the first place.
Ali frazier ? Cmon now it goes down as what it is ..two big clumsy gassed heavyweights
vitali vs Lewis was far better action in 6 round than these guys gave us in 33 rounds
In 33 rounds we had about 10 minutes of action the rest clumsy missed punches and clinching
Clumsy, gassed HWs?
Try skilled fighters, the slickest wizard in the history of the division vs the most deadly puncher the planet has ever known. Outside of Tyson. High level boxing. A poetic bloodbath.
Ali frazier ? Cmon now it goes down as what it is ..two big clumsy gassed heavyweights
vitali vs Lewis was far better action in 6 round than these guys gave us in 33 rounds
In 33 rounds we had about 10 minutes of action the rest clumsy missed punches and clinching
Keep something in mind: People are just coming around to accepting that the Lewis Klitsck clash was a great fight. At the time the fight was a real downer... it basically soured Lewis to the boxing establishment. I don't blame him Merchant was a cck scker and a half to Lewis that night... Lewis has mellowed and people are now looking at that fight and realizing it was a great contest of wills, skill, and IMO proved Lewis' greatness. But it took a few years later to see the fight that way.
Ali frazier ? Cmon now it goes down as what it is ..two big clumsy gassed heavyweights
vitali vs Lewis was far better action in 6 round than these guys gave us in 33 rounds
In 33 rounds we had about 10 minutes of action the rest clumsy missed punches and clinching
Thats not for us to decide. The long view on this fight will be the provenance of history. There has to be time flowing before we look at this fight and compare it to something like Lyle versus Foreman. The fight was entertaining, it had moments of drama, of skill, which often has to be sussed out from what looks like sloppiness, and a show of will power that was fantastic.
Fury learned after the first fight that the best way to win against Wilder is to use his weight and size to his advantage and it’ll work nearly every time.
He wanted to make it a dog fight cuz he knew that Wilder is virtually dead in a clinch. Wilder needs space to do anything in there and Fury wouldn’t allow that space and Wilder didn’t know how to create it.
Its an example of something a lot of us in the History section like to remind people about. When you started training earlier, when you had more quality teaching, you learned to fight in all ranges, just in case... you were well rounded enough not to get beat on an obvious weakness.
It's up there with Maidana/Broner, Castillo/Corrales, Tyson/Holyfield, Ali/Frazier, JMM/Manny.
No question.
We witnessed history. A classic.
Ali frazier ? Cmon now it goes down as what it is ..two big clumsy gassed heavyweights
vitali vs Lewis was far better action in 6 round than these guys gave us in 33 rounds
In 33 rounds we had about 10 minutes of action the rest clumsy missed punches and clinching
This fight was amazing I'm not sure that I would call it the best fight of all time. It was the best fight I've seen in years and will surly be named fight of the year.
Joshua vs wladimir was better ...not as much clinching
Great fight don't get me wrong ,full of drama but not many hard sustained shots
Just shows how much better vitali and Lewis were to both stay on their feet
This was Marquez vs Pac 4 tier
Sweet Jesus.
WILDER IS AN IRON JAWED WARRIOR
So is Fury. God damn that was insane
I can name several carl froch fights that shit on fury wilder 3
Did you just start watching boxing?
Have you heard of YouTube?
This fight was amazing I'm not sure that I would call it the best fight of all time. It was the best fight I've seen in years and will surly be named fight of the year.
Yup... although when Fury leaned on his neck, Wlder did what I would have told him: just go down, instead of trying to pull up. Wilder originally was an ambush fighter... meaning he used that bike to stay away until he was ready to engage. I think this would have served him better, let Fury come to him, catch his wind, and when ready? fire at will. The clinches are awful for him as they would be against any smaller guy.
Fury learned after the first fight that the best way to win against Wilder is to use his weight and size to his advantage and it’ll work nearly every time.
He wanted to make it a dog fight cuz he knew that Wilder is virtually dead in a clinch. Wilder needs space to do anything in there and Fury wouldn’t allow that space and Wilder didn’t know how to create it.