The way I see this pound for pound thing anyway is that it can be ranked (fairly) on either of achievement or ability (I guess most people's lists are usually a mixture of both).
So if David Haye were to KO both Klitschko brothers (as that's likely his best chance of winning), he'd have beaten two fit, active, focused world champions, both of which are physically bigger and stronger than Haye (surely that must bode well in the P4P stakes). And he'd have been the genuine champion in 2 weight divisions (the only 2 that he could fight in as well). What more do you people want? Oh right I remember he's not American is he.. my mistake.
wouldnt be ranked on my list. as weak as the division is he would have to beat everyone, and then reign supreme with nothing but impressive performances for quite some time.
And there's the bias. Floyd Mayweather can just take 2 years out, fight a guy 2 weight classes below him (several fights ago the gap was 5 weight classes as well) and presumably if he wins he'd be ranked 1st or 2nd in this P4P list. You've just said that David Haye would have to beat more than everyone in his entire division. Why the hell would he have to do that? Nobody in the history of this pound for pound malarky has done that!
It's a bit dumb to say that Haye would be nowhere near a 'pound for pound' list if he were to beat both Klitschko brothers. Of course he would. He'd probably be top 3 or 4 in all honesty. You have to look at things like this too, would Bernard Hopkins still be fighting in a year-18 months time for example? Will Shane Mosley still be the top welterweight?
Personally I don't like these 'pound for pound' lists anyway as they're based on hype, fanbase and bias. If Haye beats both K bros, he's the Heavyweight Champion of the World. Fact.
Lindsay showed impressive power similar to when he fought Derry Matthews but Appleby was poor and can box a lot better than that. But he's only 21 and can come back.
Great stoppage by the referee though and I have no idea how Tommy Gilmore (Appleby's manager) could complain about it. Paul was out on his feet and wouldn't be doing any interviews otherwise.
In terms of talent and promise, Kell Brook>>>>>>>>>>Paul Appleby.
Real talk.
I don't know if it's just because of that avatar you have but I agree. Kell Brook is a better prospect than Paul Appleby by far in my opinion of course.
It wasn't exactly lopsided. I personally would've had Froch winning 114-112 had Taylor survived the final round.
Taylor fought a good fight for most of it though and showed a good defence so I see no reason for him to retire unless he really has no desire left.
Froch made far too many mistakes though and could have fought a whole lot better.
I've been saying this for a while now but Adam Booth and Hayemaker Promotions are the best thing to happen in Boxing for ages.
Adam Booth is one of the best people I've ever known in boxing and he's a gentleman.
Ok so sure he doesn't have the years of experience as a promoter, but in the 2 or 3 years that he's been doing it at a high profile level, he's been wiping the floor with the likes of Frank Warren and these awful Golden Boy undercards. Add to that the fact that he does it with class, dignity and honesty and it's a real recipe for success in my opinion.
Pavlik beat Taylor (twice) by using his reach, power and lead left hand while loading up with the right. Froch doesn't have this style so any comparison to that fight is pointless. Froch does however, throw a lot more uppercuts and wild hooks and if Taylor's smart then Jermain can dodge and counter all night. It's a really great fight in my view but I feel Taylor has the ringsmarts to edge out a decision. I just think nerves will play a part for Froch and he could be outclassed like many other Brits that have tried to make a name in the US.
A Froch win is the best thing that could happen in British boxing right now though. If he wins, it sets up some massive fights at SMW for Froch. If he loses, we'll see more WBO bollocks for another 5 years or so.
I may be biased because I'm a Froch fan but I'd rather see Froch v Kessler. Taylor is ok, he's a good boxer but we've seen Taylor at the top in his middleweight days and in that we saw defences again Hopkins, Wright, Kassim Ouma and Cory Spinks and whilst they were ok fights, none of them were really great. With Froch hopefully we'll see a few crackers.
You don't seem to understand how betting shops work. They don't have any agenda in having Pacquiao as favourite, that's just where the money's gone. For example, if thousands of people started to bet on Hatton then Hatton would be the favourite going into the fight. No bookie has Pacquiao favourite because they think he is going to win, they're just working the odds to make them as much money as possible
Yeah totally agree. Sadly casual boxing fans are fooled by it. I've lost count the number of times I've told my mate that Barrera was a) 3 years past it, b) fighting at a weight that would never suit him and c) didn't even lose.. should've been a NC
Haye should **** the Klitschko's and their bullshit terms. Go and take Valuev's belt then he'll be in an extremely strong bargaining position.
Pfft Valuev's belt is more protected than any of the Klitsckho's titles. Maybe when Haye's 47, Nikolay might give him a shot. In the mean time, Chagaev needs to whoop his hairy ass into retirement.
I'm pretty sure he'll either be out or they'll be matching him up against either Ward or Dirrell (that's if they both lose against Kessler and Froch respectively)
Feel for Jermain at the moment now though.
I agree with Roy, he was intelligently defending himself. Aside from a few bodyshots everything was deflected off his gloves.
I'm certain if Roy made it out of the round he would have won the fight but the ref stole that chance from him.
Hopkins vs Jones II, set it up.
Not sure why you would've been certain that Roy would've won the fight, especially considering he was floored just over a minute into the fight.
I can see both points to be honest and the ref could've let it continue a bit longer but it wasn't a bad stoppage, not by todays standards.
The thing is, this fight does hurt Calzaghe's legacy. Ok, it's not a massive deal (as in Jones was hardly Joe's best win) but it damages Joe's record just as much as it would've added to it if Roy would've won inside one round today.
Cotto is miles better than John Ruiz and should beat Manny Pacquiao tonight. Cotto's hand speed is pretty fast and almost as quick as Manny's. Miguel is stronger and can dictate the fight. I think it'll be an up and down fight and will go the distance and will be a very close, very tight decision but I think Cotto should just edge it.
Haye has no intentions of fighting in July, he just wants to say Wlad is ducking him? After he bitches out of the June 20 fight himself...
Haye is a low-class piece of shit. :ugh:
And that's a Wlad fan..
Tarver was just trying to stay busy and Dawson usually covers up well. In their first fight, Tarver barely threw any punches so he just wanted to stay active by throwing those pitter patter staps so he's just trying to improve that workrate. Didn't really work though.
He doesn't neccessarily look good. Styles make fights and Hatton's style turned out to be tailor made for Pacquiao - i.e come forward with no defence..
Yeah I agree. Don't forget that Diaz barely landed a punch that fight and lost every round before getting knocked out in a similar way to Hatton (straight left hand to the chin)
Yeah true Khan does have a fast, accurate jab. It was a sweet combo with the jab straight right for the first knockdown against Salita. It may well be a bit premature but it very much reminded me Manny Pacquiao the way he started that fight, circling the left hand and then a quick, accurate, lethal lunge to stun the opponent. I might not be Amir's biggest fan and certainly don't like the way his career has progressed so far (avoiding British title fights etc) but he's definitely learnt a lot from Roach already.
if it is on then it would be on teh schedule,simply take a look around 3am..its not on
And no way will Sky show Pavlik/Espino
Whilst I still don't think it will be on it's definitely not impossible. It could be a case of Sky still trying to secure a contract to show the fight. Or it may have been that they tried earlier this week to gain the rights but failed and haven't updated the site. Either way, we'll find out at about 8pm tonight as they'll mention during the Klitschko fight if it's on.
I like Bernard but he clearly wants no part of this fight. Mainly because Dawson is younger, fresher and faster than him and at 44/45, there's very little Bernard can do to beat him.
Bit strange that they've got it on their fixtures part though. They normally don't mention fights unless they've got them. They also have Pavlik's fight next week so not sure if they're gonna be showing that or not. I hope they do show the Malignaggi - Diaz fight.