If your Hall of Fame contemporaries say you were one of the best ever then you were one of the best ever. Period.
It's like if we didn't have footage of Michael Jordan, and all we had to go by was what Magic Johnson and Larry Bird said about him. I'd take their word over some 40 second clip of him playing Horse or something like that.
the greb walker fight was filmed, but it was filmed on the old type of film that basically rots away after 20 years, which is unfortunate, i'd really like to see the fight. its pretty obvious greb is screwing around in most of those film clips, but we can see something about him, he was fast, looks very flexible ( this usually means hard power punches ) and he moves very well. if he beat tunney and walker, some of the best of his time, i'd have to rank him high based on the fact they were the best of his day. i don't think greb should be blamed for the fact that pbf and manny were born a 100 years later and weren't available to fight when greb was in his prime
Dawson needs to fight Hopkins and the Super 6 winner.
hopkins doesn't want this fight, dawson will beat pascal. a fight with bute could be made. i wanted to see calzaghe fight dawson as his last fight, but joe wanted no part of that
Dawson owned Johnson in the second fight. I don't see a third being any different.
Cloud has his handles full with Johnson, he has to keep on the gas the full 12 and he will be fine.
I'd love to see Bute face the winner of the super 6 and I think it's a dumb idea for Dawson to go to 168 for anyone.
Make them come up to him, he's the champ in a historic division.
dawson won't go down in weight, i think bute would come up to 175. i'd like to see a fight against the shark diaconu. his next move after pascal would probably be to fight cloud
cotto is too small to win a title at 154, these guys weigh 170 on fight night after weighing in at 154. he'd get hurt bad by any puncher with above average skills
Sounds like a good fight and a good perfomance by Helenius. Brewster should have retired after losing to Klitschko in my opinion. He hasn't been the same after the Lyakhovich fight.
I still hope they don't "rush" Helenius because a win over Brewster at this point doesn't necessarily prove he is world class yet.
I dont think Brewster should be fighting anymore, im not impressed at all that somebody stopped him, he was limited before, but now hes completely shot. At this point, retirement for the betterment of his health is critical.
lamon should retire, lyakhovich took everything he had left
If Pacquiao doesn't knock Hatton out like Mayweather did. What will that say about Pacquiao? After all people were quick to compare the way they both beat DLH.
pac isn't mayweather, he's not a pure boxer, he's a puncher. pac's footwork isn't as good as pbf's, manny will take punches from 'atton, ricky won't miss all night like against floid
Hatton has a pretty good chance at beating Pacquiao.
Pac can box and punch. He's got good speed, power, chin, and stamina. I just see him as an overall better fighter than Hatton, although Ricky definitely has a shot.
140 is hatton's best weight and pac isn't on the level of pbf in terms of boxing skill, this fight will be competitive, i can see either guy winning this one
Serious question, how would Pacquiao do against Kelly Pavlik? I mean Pavlik is slow right? Could Pacquiao box him to a decision?
Man im dead SERIOUS. Pac is a four division champ. What I mean is, Pac is USED to fighting guys at lower weight. AND WE ALL KNOW, as boxing fans that, those in lower weight classes are as quick as FOX in footwork and like Gatling guns in their punches ( 6-8 punch combos in one snap).
Pac fighting MARG is like giving Pacquiao an ADVANTAGE. Pac seeing Marg's punces in SLOW MOTION.
Just watch what Pac did to a very slow Diaz. And watch how slow Marg is in throwing punches to Cotto.
If it did happen he better get some training lessons with Usain Bolt
LOLz, this is a funny thread. oscar dela fishnets is much faster than david diaz, he was able to hit floid mayweather clean when pbf stopped running. manny will get KTFO'd by the drag queen, tony margarito would seriously f.uck manny up - too much power and bad style for manny. if pavlik could land a punch on manny's chin, he'd drop manny. after pacman gets knocked the f.uck out on dec 6, there won't be any more of these threads
you need to be faster, smarter and have better skills to beat pbf. hatton was stronger than floid, so was dlh, they both lost. manny is faster, but just speed isn't enough
One thing went wrong and that was Toney. He fell badly after that fight. It was very brutal as well and took more out of him than just his will power.
jirov was never the same fighter after toney knocked him down and took his title. even if he'd stayed at cruiser, just knowing that toney had his number ruined him
this is not a winnable argument
yeah... it's very hard to compare the two because boxing now is completely different, less rounds - 12 instead of 15, active fighters are the one who fight 4 times a year where they used to fight every two weeks, different training methods, now we have more belts, and in the past more fighters would still fight even if they had an injury because they needed the money.
life was harder back in the old days too
thanks i already checked the pics out on the other site.
actually if you notice, Hasim wears 2 shirts, he's got a grey one underneath the white, and he also wears jeans, and im told boots as well. maybe some stuff in his pockets.?? maybe he's 7-8 pounds lighter than the scale indicated.
against a similar sized opponent in Kali Meehan, Rahman had perhaps the greatest performance in his career, aside for the first 9 rounds with Tua in 1998.
Rahman was 232 for Meehan. The more weight he carries the slower he is. Weight matters.
he had all his shit on when he stepped on the scale
i think rahman is really 240, he lives and dies by the right hand so he'll be loading up to try and catch wlad with the right. other guys have tried and failed. the question is, will rahman last as long as tony" the pussy" thompson did?
IDK, about Manny losing this fight.
If your cheekbone breaks against a pillow puncher, whats going to happen when you get hit by a power puncher?
I know Manny wont have as much power moving up, but c'mon He's got way more power than Forbes.
Now I know Oscar won every round against Forbes, but you have to remember that Forbes was inactive during the fight. When Forbes threw Forbes hit Oscar with THE CLEANEST punches of the night. Oscar just landed a ton of semi effective but flashy combos. I'm not saying Forbes won...he still lost badly but my point is that if Forbes were more active and talented he would have done some REAL damage to Oscars face even if he is a pillow puncher.
People keep saying that Oscar's going to KO Manny. But when was the last time Oscar has KO'd someone? He could'nt even KO Forbes.
forbes is a more accurate puncher than manny, although he doesn't have manny's power. forbes can be outworked, usually how he loses. i'm not sure manny will hit dlh as clean as forbes did, he'll be a lot slower than we're used to seeing him
the drag queen knocked mayorga the f.uck out a year or two ago, that was the last time de la fishnets knocked someone out
From the looks of things, Berto might be fighting Mosley now that Margarito is pulling out of the fight...
that's good too, mosley will beat berto... i'd be scared for collazo if he fights tony, better for collazo to stay at home with his hands on his dick
Andre Ward with is next fight should crack the top ten. Even now havin Froch or Balzasy over him ain't right. Dre Ward gonna be champ in 09, I can feel it!
Balzasy has a great name though
His camp blamed the that loss on the weight problem. Manny started out selling cigarettes and bubble gum out in the street. I think he started his career at 106 pounds because he was malnutritioned. Today, he has a lot better nutrition and defense. He'll be fine against De La Hoya.
malnuturition just means manny should have been a 130 lb fighter who started at 106, he's still getting knocked the f.uck out by de la fishnets, who somehow might make 147 but is really a jr middle
Where are all of you coming up with this weight for Manny? Did you see they weigh-ins? DeLaHoya even had to shave a couple of more pounds then the limit just to intrigue the potential pay-per-view buyers! He knew days before the weigh-ins Pac-Man was nowhere near 147lbs.
DAY OF FIGHT!
Pac-Man = 142LBS. NOT A POUND MORE(the weigh-ins before the fight are not official so they will state a weight of 145LBS because manny will be getting on the scale with his sweat suit on.
Oscar= 156 lbs.
i think manny will try to load up and gain a couple pounds before the fight, that's where my numbers are coming from. also when roy fought ruiz everybody said he'd have a hard time coming in over 190 lbs and he surprised everyone by being 199 lbs on fight night
Pac was wearing to inch heels, while oscar had sox on
http://stream.batr8.com/files/1.jpg
those shoes really make a difference, mosley is shorter than dlh but with the dress shoes on he looks taller
According to Roach, De La Hoya is weak minded and cant pull the trigger :sad:
LOL, he hasn't seen the fight with mayorga, then. the drag queen knocked mayo the f.uck out