ward definitly impressed me tonight but it wasn't enough to knock mayweather off his spot. what ward did tonight in his late 20's floyd did in his early 20's. difference is floyd continued to beat world champions for the next decade after that. no vacant titles and no catch weights. floyd is 35 and there is still no one in his weight class that any expert belives can beat him. put it like this people are saying floyd has to fight martinez at 160 to sement his leagacy, no one thinks ward has to fight the cruiser weight champ to sement his. overall he earned my respect i have him tied for number 2 with martinez.
This isn't the Klitschkos we're talking about here.
Ward already has beaten Chad Dawson, Carl Froch, Arthur Abraham, Sakio Bika, Allan Green, and Mikkel Kessler. That's one hell of a resume and he's just getting started.
Can everybody calm down. I like ward but he beat a 168 dawson who came in at 185 and who also lost to of all people JEAN PASCAL. IMO ward has better wins than this one on his resume. It's not about who its about when
De La Hoya moved down 7 lbs from 154 to 147, even fought at 150 inbetween to warm up for it
De La Hoya didn't fight at 147 for 7 years
Dawson moved down 7 lbs from 175 to 168, Dawson didn't fight at 168 for 6 years
Do you follow boxing bro ? Difference is THE REHYDRATION CLAUSE AKA mannys wepon of mass destruction. de la hoya fought manny at 145 and was only allowed to rehydrate an entire 2 pounds to 147. dawson at least was able to rehydrate to 185 which was like 17 pounds. Overall i would say thats a big difference, manny had a rehydration clause and ward didnt
Seriously, Floyd is so good that fightting an undefeated WW champion is being called a tune up. This silly sh*t right here is the reason floyd can never have a great win, even if he beat an undefeated WW champion it would be called a tune up by casuals. SMMFH
is the mayweather,costas interview misleading
There's been alot of debate over the Mayweather, Costas interview
and I feel like this Floyd is scared of Manny thing is ridiculous. I dont
even like Floyd outside of the ring but I always find my self defending
him on this issue. I grew up beating up bullies so it's probally in my nature
when a guy is getting picked on for no reason.
First off to think Floyd is scared of Manny after that last Marquez fight
is crazy. I'm not even scared of Manny after that Marquez fight.
not saying Marquez is a bum, he's one of my favorite fighters in the
sport. But there was nothing in that fight to suggest to anyone
that Manny is any kind of threat to Floyd or anyone else's health.
Manny and Floyd are both in the decline of their careers and Floyd is too
defensive to suffer any damage from a small guy like Manny. again im
not saying Marquez isn't great but if Pac was frustrated and couldn't
destroy him how is he logically going to do it to Floyd (logically). I dont
like triangle theories so i'll say what we all know, styles make fights.
Manny is a small guy. If him and Floyd fight he's giving up height,
weight, alot of reach and most importantly he's giving up exchanges.
Floyd isn't going to trade with Manny he's going to pick his shots, use
his check hook and straight right like a laser and most importantly counter
Manny after his flurries leave him off balance. Mannys strengths are his
speed,power and footwork but what Floyd lacks in power he makes up for with his speed,accuracy,timing and ring intelligence. Personally i think
they'll end up fighting at the absolute end of their careers but that's
another thread.
Lastly the statement Floyd made about ali was him trying to use an analogy.
I know it's hard to imagine and though it wasn't eloquent i did get it. Costas was asking Floyd why he wouldnt put the money issue aside for the sake of the fans and Floyd used Ali as an example of outcomes that fighters face when they put their judgement aside for the sake of fans. Personally 50/50 sounds fair but i dont pay Floyds bills. It seems like he got off track a little bit but the point he was making was money. At the end of the day none
of us know what's truly holding the fight up and both sides deserve an
equal amount of blame. It's the fans that are really getting f***** over.
I do know one thing though the reason isn't that one of the two greatest fighters of this generation is scared.
what does everyone else think ?
This is unequivically the dumbest thread i have ever seen in my life.
I mean, I'm no Floyd cheerleader but to complain about a decent under
card that will have the casual boxing fan pretty excited is just pure hate.
I think Floyd is officially about to pass Ali as the most hated boxer of any generation.
All true. Jones is exposing Mayweather. Badly. The reality is Floyd Mayweather is just waiting for somebody else to beat Pacquiao so he can weasel away from the challenge. The steroids, the 50-50 split, and all the other alleged stumbling blocks are a smokescreen.
Like a lot of people, I would favor Mayweather in a Pacquiao fight. Pretty much positive he wins. Like a lot of people, I'll undoubtedly be saying Pacquiao was a greater fighter than Mayweather however many years from now because Manny took chances, and proved himself against the best of his era.
Homie 3 people HAVE already beat manny long before the fight with floyd came up.
Chances at ww him and floyd fought exactly the same people except for clotty and ortiz, margarito dont exist to me. Think !
Haha I'm a Floyd fan but I'll agree with you there.
How is floyd crying like a ***** ???????
He acutally asked to be placed in GP to get more rec time and was denied, then he asked for the house arrest. How is that a ***** move ?????? I've seen so called killers on Rikers Island sign in to PC and floyd was trying to SIGN OUT.
I never in my life heard of a $100 million celebrity asked to be taken out of PC and be placed in the mix of the thugs and criminals. Don't sound soft to me.
You BS nerds wouldn't get it though.
That version of mayorga would have been a problem for anybody. His wild unpredictable punched came from unusual angles and with decent power.
That version of mayorga lost to corey spinks. Didnt seem to give him much problems
A "bum" who's accomplished 100x more than you ever will in the fight game, and who can beat up you and your entire family.
If Mayorga's a bum, what does that make you?
Homie can you please get the tatoo of mayorgas D**k removed from your face. Secondly its 2012 i will literaly beat mayorga to death. LITERALY
Mayorga would probably drive to your house and punch your daddy in the face just for making this thread :lol1:
If he puched my pops i would snuff you just for yapping with so much D**K in your mouth. The ill give mayorga 300 stiches in his face for violating my pops F****T.
If Mayweather made 85 mil, that means he's only really making 42.5. Uncle Sam is taking 50%.
Nevada has no state income tax. He's definitly not paying that much in taxes, no one in nevada is.
Mayweatvher vs Cotto(late)
Mayweather vs Mosely(late)
Mayweather vs Hatton
Mayweather vs De La Hoya(late)
Ortiz vs Berto
Pacquiao vs Cotto
Pacquiao vs Marquez 2
Yoy get the point
Im not saying personally foyd has no great wins, i know for a fact he does. Im saying he is jugded so highly that he isnt given the same credit for his wins as other fighters get for their so-called "GREAT" wins.
We do know how to read right people ? Its called english comprehension. Learn to understand what your reading.
well margarito had been on hbo and showtime many more times than baldomir. also margarito is mexican and there are a lot of mfexicans here. not so many argentinians. floyd has a long history of fighting mexicans. does he have a long history of fighting guys from argentina? no. also most everyone knew baldomir was a joke, he was losing to gatti before scoring a ko. floyd fought judah coming off a loss to a journeyman but he couldn't fight margarito who was ranked # 1 for 3 years?
You cant spin this one homie margo had no fan base and niether did baldo, but baldo had the belt(s) plural and the story. After he beat gatti way more casual fans knew who baldo was compared to margo, you know that. Casual fans are what count in ppv you know that. The judah fight was already set before baldo, baldo was suppose to be a tune up but you also know that already. Thats why he fought judah even tho he lost. Lets no forget the biggggggggest factor in this whole debate. Margo is the only legit opponent to really call floyd out, guess why?? He wanted to try that plaster out on floyds face. Wether we knew is irrelevant, margo knew beacause we all know that slow punching, i block with my face cheater had no chance against floyd or any other top fighter at the time.
he was ranked number 1 by the ring for 3 years. floyd never fought him. all those guys you mention also never wanted to fight margarito. what a coincidence. yeah baldomir was linear champ because he fluked one win. it's hard to be ranked #1 for 3 years and be in the top 5 for 6 years and be a fraud. how long was baldomir in the top ten? about a year then he fell off the planet. margarito also had a belt but floyd never wanted that belt for some strange reason.
Its not hard to be ranked for 3yrs when your promoter pays for it. Again that wasnt my opinion that is a fact bob admitted to in federal court so i'll RESONABLY assume bob paid for that. Especially since their not an official boxing organization, doesnt GB own them now.
he was ranked number 1 by the ring for 3 years. floyd never fought him. all those guys you mention also never wanted to fight margarito. what a coincidence. yeah baldomir was linear champ because he fluked one win. it's hard to be ranked #1 for 3 years and be in the top 5 for 6 years and be a fraud. how long was baldomir in the top ten? about a year then he fell off the planet. margarito also had a belt but floyd never wanted that belt for some strange reason.
Number one for beating who ??? Were talking 06 here. I just named 5 well known champions he didnt fight. Again number 1 for beating who?? For losing to clottey untill clotteys shoulder messed up, yeah right. Margos a B level fighter at best which we'll never know. But i do know he never fought a known champ so again Number 1 for beating who???
It's true. He keeps ducking good opposition. He'll never have a good win just like he'll never have a single endorsement.
He never ducked anyone homie. Bob said it out his own mouth in a 2006 interview with dan rafeil which you can find on espn website. Bob said floyd agreed to fight margo for 8 8 8 mill if bob could garuntee him cotto for 10, hatton for 10 and de la hoya for 20. Bob said no, not floyd.
ok well if he fights baldomir for 8 million why not fight margarito? why is 8 million for baldomir acceptable but not margarito? margarito is more popular and will sell more ppv's and he's been ranked number 1 for 3 years. i guess it's not about the money after all....weird someone said that it was ....forgot his name...
Yoi just woke me up both margo and baldo were unknown to casual fans, but baldo scored a huge upset over judah which made everyone talk about him. Then he beat gatti and became a cindarella man in boxing, you know that. Add to that he had the belts and a great story line it was a better choice. I still dont see why you think he ducked, you seem to know your stuff ??
but i do think he was scared. just look how visibly shaken up he is when margarito confronts him. it's like he saw a ghost or something. when you add that evidence to him turning down career high paydays and never ever trying to fight them. yeah you can reasonably say he was scared.
Homie he made 8.1 to fight baldo, bob offerd 8 what did he turn down?? Second margo lost to p.will and baldo was the champ upsetting judah. Third he didnt look shook he told margo in his face they would fight if the business end was right. He didnt lie in that mans face, he didnt promise something to get big bad margo off his back. He told him what the deal was straight up. 4th how did he never try to fight these guys?? He fought an undefeated hatton and he fought de la hoya at 154. Who was he ducking?? Bob didnt give him the bread so he got it himself, makes sense.
you probably should ask yourself how could arum possibly guarantee him all that money when his previous career high was 5 million. 10 million to fight 140 pound cotto who was still fighting on hbo undercards? get real. 20 mill to fight hoya? floyd only got 10 mill guarantee when the actual fight happened. it's called pricing yourself out. floyd "would" have fought them "but" he made a list of insane demands. we've seen this scenario before. if floyd asked for 500 million to fight canelo i guess canelo would be ducking him if he didn't give him it?
What has floyd been making since he left arum. Arum said in the interview the de la hoya fight wasnt worth it to him, really the highest ppv fight in history isnt worth it to you. Get real homie, the demands might seem high but floyd ended up making 3 or 4 times more in the long run. Thats not pricing yourself out, its called knowing your worth.
Wrong. Mayweather pretended he didn't even know who Margarito was, and then started calling him a cheater after the wraps thing. Then he stated that Cotto was "too far away in Puerto Rico".
He's ducked a prime Cotto, Margarito and Pac.
Not wrong homie, i'm quoting bob arum im not giving you my opinion. The interview was done in 06 with dan rafeiel from espn. Again bob said no not floyd. What part of bob telling dan he turned floyd down you dont understand. F*ck what floyd said on t.v. to be funny, him and bob sat at the table floyd proposed a deal to fight margo,cotto,hatton and de la hoya for x amount of money. Again bob himself said "I" said no to his offer. Floyd bought himself out his contract with TR for 750k and the rest is history