Mayweather will never have a GREAT win......

People always say floyd has never had a career defining fight, like a leonard vs hearns or a ali vs foreman. Thats true to a degree but my question is how is he ever gonna have a really great win if he's the favorite from 140 to 154, maybe even 160 depending who it is. The reason why ali beating foreman was so great among everything else, is the fact everyone thought he was gonna get killed. Leonard was the same, people thought hearns and hagler were gonna destroy him. The problem floyd has is even if he fought chavez jr. assuming he wins, floyd would probally still be the betting favorite. Thats crazy! Please dont start the manny thing either, no boxing expert thinks manny will beat floyd. Only fans think this, i watch ellie sechbac ask every trainer, fighter and promoter that question and 95% of them always pick floyd. So the question is under these circumstances do you think floyd will ever be credited with a GREAT win. Or will he have to wait 20 years for that recognition. P.S. even if you think floyd ducked some good fights he was still the betting favorite in every "DUCK" so how great would a margo or williams win seem now given how their careers turned out(margo-plaster) (williams-1 punch K.O.,lara loss). thoughts ?

Comments (20)

Kagami_Taiga

Well the only thing that's preventing the fight is his offer. Make it 60/40 or something along the lines and a fight can be made. Is Floyd still scared that Pac is roiding? He already said he'd do OSDT. floyd offered 60/40

13y ago

hugh_grant

Tell ssm he should've accepted floyd's challenge when he was prime. Same with ODH and Kosta. As for cotto and Margs, we know the truth. Bottom line is floyd is gonna be favored against almoist everyone so anytime he wins, guys like you can say oh that guy wasn't dangerous. ? I still dont see what you are getting at! Yes Pac is favourite against everyone he fights as well, and he actually fights regularly. Floyd makes half hearted attempts to fight, and then retires, so if then anyone wants to fight FLoyd whether its Cotto, Kostya, SSM or Margarito, he is AWOL and back in 2 years sign is up. It dont matter that he is favourite he has to fight, and if he goes on to win, it would be considered good wins for him at the time. I say good, as you are only as good as the people you are fighting. Cotto, SSM at the time were very good fighters. No SRL but good fighters.

13y ago

Optimistic

If he had fought the 09-10 version of Manny and won, that would have been his career defining win. When and if he fights Manny and wins it'll definitely have lost most of it's luster.

13y ago

maguirre

Pac has slowed down, so I would assume Floyd would be ready for Pac when he comes out of jail.

13y ago

letsgobrady

Floyd is a very smart fighter... he knows when is the best time to take a fight. For example, when floyd beat Hatton he was asked by Larry Merchant "are you interested in fighting Cotto a young undefeated lion?" Floyd instantly said "Im not calling out no welterweights.. Im retiring"... "boxing is not going to retire me, Ill retire from boxing 1st". He waited till the welterweight division cleaned itself out & came back... fighting Cotto 5 years later after being in alot of wars is an easy pick. befor floyd beat ricky he was already saying he was going to retire if you don't remember you can go watch the fight and you can hear the commentators talking about it during the fight and once floyd retired cotto had 3 fights margarito,jennings and clottey the margarito and clottey fights were tough fights but not the jennings fight but even then the man who fought cotto off of these wars that took so much out of him was pacquiao and if i'm not mistaken margarito had already loss to williams so how did he wait for the ww division to clean itself out when everyone had already loss except for miguel when floyd retired and miguel loss a couple months after floyd retired

13y ago

letsgobrady

Agree with all that. However, don't you think it's odd FMJ could take on the best at their best in the first half of his career yet not in the second when everyone wants to fight him? It's whatever, but in discussions about legacy these things are going to come up. As fight fans we know the guys who are ready to take on almost anyone at their best, the likes of Froch, Cotto and Marquez etc. who were these fighters?cotto never made it seem like he wanted to fight floyd and did mosley not turn down a fight with floyd at one point?when was cotto at his best because after he beat judah alot of people still didn't think he was elite and even his team felt like he needed atleast another big fight which was the mosley fight

13y ago

combatron

floyd has been avoiding fighters at their prime , he should fight manny and stop putting roadblocks , this should put an end to all the arguments

13y ago

JoeMan

We both know that isn't true about the rematch. Floyd wanted it even with random ost for both fighters, manny refused. Yet you say floyd is roadblocking. wouldn't manny be roadblocking just like you said JMM was? Manny made a crap offer. JMM turned it down. WHen he did, you said it was JMM roadblocking. Yet when manny turned down floyd's no ppv offer, you said floyd was roadblocking. wouldn't manny be roadblocking just like you said JMM was? Why the shift in definition of roadblock? Manny probably had a few thousand pesos in his Philippine bank account at that time, hehe... How can he even offer anyone anything at that time? Like I said nobody calls the shots at that time, not even Pac's manager. JMM was trying to call the shots claiming he's the title holder. He still hasn't realized at that time that he can't even attract flies, and he needs someone like Pac. Hehe... So stop this nonsense. Hehe...

13y ago

DeadLikeMe

13y ago

The_Big_Dunn

I thought I already did. You were making a wrong analogy. JMM roadblocked the first negotiations in the rematch, not Pacquiao. He wanted the bigger purse, Pac wanted it even. Where is the Pac roadblock you were talking about? We both know that isn't true about the rematch. Floyd wanted it even with random ost for both fighters, manny refused. Yet you say floyd is roadblocking. wouldn't manny be roadblocking just like you said JMM was? Manny made a crap offer. JMM turned it down. WHen he did, you said it was JMM roadblocking. Yet when manny turned down floyd's no ppv offer, you said floyd was roadblocking. wouldn't manny be roadblocking just like you said JMM was? Why the shift in definition of roadblock?

13y ago

JoeMan

I didn't ask about a possible manny/floyd fight, I asked, and you still haven't answered, why your definition of roadblock shifts when its manny and when its floyd? why can't you answer that question? I thought I already did. You were making a wrong analogy. JMM roadblocked the first negotiations in the rematch, not Pacquiao. He wanted the bigger purse, Pac wanted it even. Where is the Pac roadblock you were talking about?

13y ago

The_Big_Dunn

Dude, you don't have to take my word for it. You only have to go out there in the streets and conduct a random survey. The fight will happen at 50/50. That's fair to most people. As popular as Pacquiao is, you gotta be an idiot to make him accept something like 80/20, which is the equivalent of a flat offer minus PPV. If I were you I would just assume that Floyd doesn't want it. If he did, this fight would have happened a long time ago. It's clear that Floyd has zero interest in beating Pac and prove himself he's the best. Let's just leave it at that. I didn't ask about a possible manny/floyd fight, I asked, and you still haven't answered, why your definition of roadblock shifts when its manny and when its floyd? why can't you answer that question?

13y ago

CHOWWOKKA

Is drug testing considered a road block if only one fighter doesn't want to do it?

13y ago

JoeMan

so JMM made manny an offer? You forgot to answer the question in the last paragraph-why you have a different definition of what constitues a "roadblock" when fights involving Manny Pacquio, who you are a huge fan of, are not made? Dude, you don't have to take my word for it. You only have to go out there in the streets and conduct a random survey. The fight will happen at 50/50. That's fair to most people. As popular as Pacquiao is, you gotta be an idiot to make him accept something like 80/20, which is the equivalent of a flat offer minus PPV. If I were you I would just assume that Floyd doesn't want it. If he did, this fight would have happened a long time ago. It's clear that Floyd has zero interest in beating Pac and prove himself he's the best. Let's just leave it at that.

13y ago

The_Big_Dunn

Dude, know your JMM/Pac 2 history. JMM wanted to control the negotiation saying he was the title holder. Team Pac insisted that they have the guy who is the crowd drawer. JMM wanted none of it. So stop comparing apples and bananas, please! so JMM made manny an offer? You forgot to answer the question in the last paragraph-why you have a different definition of what constitues a "roadblock" when fights involving Manny Pacquio, who you are a huge fan of, are not made?

13y ago

JoeMan

We agree manny wasn't a huge star, but he still was the "a side" in the JMM fight, without question. He did make an offer for a rematch thats not even up for debate. Two posts ago you said JMM priced himself out. How could he if no one offered anything? JMM didn't want the bigger purse, he wanted more than manny offered for the rematch since they fought to a draw. Manny surely didn't offer a 50/50 split. Again, i am respectfully asking why you have a different definition of what constitues a "roadblock" when fights involving Manny Pacquio, who you are a huge fan of, are not made. Dude, know your JMM/Pac 2 history. JMM wanted to control the negotiation saying he was the title holder. Team Pac insisted that they have the guy who is the crowd drawer. JMM wanted none of it. So stop comparing apples and bananas, please!

13y ago

The_Big_Dunn

Floyd claims himself a businessman. He knows he can make significantly more fighting Pac, even at 50/50, than fighting other fighters. Bottom line really is, if Floyd thinks that there's absolutely not benefit in fighting Pac, money-wise, legacy-wise, then forget about the fight completely and fight other fighters. I'm all for that. But don't tell me to stop calling him a duck. floyd being a businessman should have no bearing on how you as a poster defines what constitues a"roadblock." I'm simply pointing out that the object of your criticism wasn't the offer but the fighter that rejected the offer. Yet, when floyd offered manny a crappy deal, the object of your critcism shifted. I'm interested in why you shifted.

13y ago

The_Big_Dunn

Dude, Manny was just another struggling fighter back then. He doesn't call the shots. Again, nobody offered anything to anybody at that time. JMM wanted the bigger purse. Manny wanted it even. You're just embarrassing yourself. We agree manny wasn't a huge star, but he still was the "a side" in the JMM fight, without question. He did make an offer for a rematch thats not even up for debate. Two posts ago you said JMM priced himself out. How could he if no one offered anything? JMM didn't want the bigger purse, he wanted more than manny offered for the rematch since they fought to a draw. Manny surely didn't offer a 50/50 split. Again, i am respectfully asking why you have a different definition of what constitues a "roadblock" when fights involving Manny Pacquio, who you are a huge fan of, are not made.

13y ago

JoeMan

You postedy JMM "demanding more" was a roadblock. Regrading floyd/manny, Manny is "demanding more" than $40 mil, no ppv and you are not calling that a roadblock. Why do you label roadblocks differently? It would seem that demanding more would be the roadblock in each case. Floyd claims himself a businessman. He knows he can make significantly more fighting Pac, even at 50/50, than fighting other fighters. Bottom line really is, if Floyd thinks that there's absolutely not benefit in fighting Pac, money-wise, legacy-wise, then forget about the fight completely and fight other fighters. I'm all for that. But don't tell me to stop calling him a duck.

13y ago

JoeMan

You are way off. Manny was the bigger star so he made JMM a rematch offer. The offer manny made was crap. When JMM refused the offer, posters like yourself didn't question the offer, just JMM's refusing it. I'm wondering why with floyd and manny, its the offer you see as the roadblock yet when it was JMM/Manny it was JMM wanting more that was the roadblock, not the offer. Seems like you have a double standard in this regard so I'm asking for clarity. Dude, Manny was just another struggling fighter back then. He doesn't call the shots. Again, nobody offered anything to anybody at that time. JMM wanted the bigger purse. Manny wanted it even. You're just embarrassing yourself.

13y ago