I don't agree entirely with the posters who are saying that Pacquiao just has to look for a big punch to win. Obviously, it might actually come to that if Pacquiao is deterred by Mayweathers counter punching through the fight, but it doesn't have to start that way. From watching a few of Mayweathers last few fights, he seems a bit passive and doesn't throw that many punches, so a strategy they could implement could be similar to the fight against Clottey and just throw throw throw and due to Mayweathers seemingly lack of activity, could win Pacquiao plenty of rounds to win on the scorecards. Obviously it won't be as easy as the Clottey fight, as Mayweather has a better defence and will dodge and block more punches and he will actually throw back counters that will be accurate and fast and WILL land against Pacquiao, so can be close on the scorecards depending on what the judge is looking at.
So 2 strategies can be winning by just using a lot of activity or just looking for a big punch. Pacquiao won't be able to outbox him, so just go for a no thrills approach.
I think you have the best plausible explanation better than the pac fans actually. I didn't even read the one guys post once he said pac was going to outbox the best pure boxer of our generation. PBF makes in ring adjustments on his own on the fly. Manny has to wait for Roach's instructions. That right there shows you who has the higher in ring intelligence. Manny is a machine however that throws bunches in bunches. When you get to the big time you don't stop doing what got you there in the first place. I see Pac on the attack as much as possible. He better not try to out box Floyd.
Yeah, I that Pac & Roach don't actually try to do anything stupid like try to outbox or outthink Mayweather. And it's a good point that Pac has to wait to get instructions from Roach, obviously he can make small adjustments in the ring, but non like Mayweather can make, and this is I feel the most important part of this fight.
If Pac is willing to take quite a lot of punches from Mayweather and just throw hundreds of punches, not all power punches, at him and try and outwork Mayweather, it is plausible that Pac could win a UD on the scorecards after 12 rounds. I can't really see Pac getting a KO win over Mayweather as he doesn't have as much power as Mosley and Mayweathers defence and in ring IQ is too high for this to happen. However, i more see Pac getting deterred and put off a lot by Mayweathers accurate punches and thus his activity dropping, which is where the activity plans fails him. but I still think going for a UD on activity alone is the best plan of action, and a plan that Roach will probably go for IMO.
I see what you're getting at and it's a point that I hadn't thought of or discussed in the slightest. I do agree that in massive money making fights, there would be an incentive to hide the positive drug test and go ahead with the fight. But if it were to be revealed afterwards, there would be huge uproar from the fans of the game and the general public, feeling conned out of paying for a PPV were one guy was cheating. But if they revealed it before hand, people wouldn't pay for it and there would a feeling of disappointment amongst the fans.
So pretty much, either way, there is always going to be uproar and disappointment if a fighter tests positive. This means that it's up to the promoters and networks like HBO to decided where this new testing is going to go, as it is them that are putting the money into the sport. And then this is a problem in itself.
It's an interesting predicament, as I think all/most fans want better testing in the sport, but if rumours of fighters using drugs becomes confirmed, it will be the fans that lose out, losing respect for the fighters and the sport. Good topic and one that has opened my mind further!
Let's keep it real, if Manny would have destroyed Shane like he should have and could have, then those same guys would be saying you can't compare those fights because there two different styles.
I can see people looking at the little things Manny did wrong last night and using that to analyze how Manny vs Floyd might look like, but in reality Manny looked like sh1t last night, not because of Mosley, but because of himself.
Even prior to the fight, his whole fire, and energetic personality wasn't there and he looked flat as hell. I never seen him pull some sh1t like that before, and I'm curious as to what was up with him.
just my two cents.
Yeah, he didn't look to have the same intensity as usual, seemed content just to go through with the fight rather than trying to win. Only seemed to get that intensity when he got knocked down, would've made for a better fight if he started the fight like that.
But in regards to the thread, Mosley - Mayweather fight, Mosley wasn't chasing Mayweather at all, it was Mayweather pressing the action trying to get things done.
Actually, what bothered me about both fights was the amount of times Mosley wanted to touch gloves. I mean, I'm all for good sportsmanship, but there has to be a limit and really annoyed me in Mosley - Pac. At least Mayweather wouldn't do it and just continued fighting. Mosley needs to cut that out.
Just posted about this in another thread. In both the Mayweather and Pac fights, Mosley was doing this way too much and Pac was too happy to oblige. At least May just punched him and didn't want to do it all the time. I'm all for good sportsmanship but I don't want to see fighters touch gloves after every clinch, headbutt, punch, walk, run etc. Start and/or end of the round I think is good, but not all the time.
He definitely is quick enough, but Pac probably won't counter these punches, its not really in his game to do this. To me it all depends on how he reacts to these punches from Floyd. If he feels the pop in Floyd's punches (which IMO he will), then he isn't going to recklessly go in for combos which will reduce his work-rate where Floyd will just pick him off using movement and accurate punches.
OR Pac could just not be phased by his punches and just launch combos all night long. Floyd will be able to move away just like Mosley did in his last fight, but that would just mean that Pac would win a UD on activity alone. It wouldn't matter if he only lands say 1 punch out of 10.
Though I do think people are underestimating the pop Floyd will have on his punches, cos it's not just his power, it's the accuracy and timing of them that adds up as well, making Pac hesitate. It's not like Floyd is a Malignaggi type puncher.
I always assumed P4P meant how fighters would fare against other fighters irrespective of weight class. So it is all based around resume and skills & traits shown inside the ring against other (top class) opponents, so it doesn't matter if you stay in one weight class or not. As long as you're fighting at the top level and show you are a top fighter then you can be considered a P4P type fighter.
But that's just my understanding of it, I guess everyone has different criteria for P4P and it doesn't matter that much since it is all opinion anyway! As long as it's justified then it's all good! :boxing:
I find the amounts totally obscene tbh. They dont deserve that kind of money..noone does.
I was just about to post this. I personally find this amount of money for one fight an obscene amount. $75million for a 48minute fight and say 2 months training is disgusting and this money could be used for better uses. I mean it's great that these billionaires are interested in putting up fights, but this amount of money is ridiculous!
Though I can't blame Manny or Floyd or anyone for that matter taking this kind of money, you'd be stupid not to!
Man, I think all these figures being branded around, $40mil, $65mil, $75mil are obscene amounts of money and no boxer should be getting that amount of money for the small amount of time they fight and train.
But I guess props to these fighters for getting into the position of being able to fight for this amount. You'd be stupid to turn it down.
I do think that Cotto being the first to achieve this is for Peurto Rico a big achievement, but you have to consider the opponent to capture a 160 belt. Chavez Jr. was pretty much just given that belt, he didn't have to fight legit competition for it so on that side of things it detracts from the achievement, similar with the 154 belt but to a lesser extent.
But I do still think it's a tough thing to accomplish, as seen from the small list of people, so Cotto will still deserve props for doing it. :boxing:
I think in the case of Prescott - Khan, Khan has moved onto bigger and better things while Prescott is only ever kept in the picture by calling out Khan (and other top 140 fighters). It's not like he deserves any fights with any of the other top 140 fighters so it shouldn't be any different with Khan.
But if he wants to, then fair enough, but to me I see it as a step backward for Khan. He doesn't gain anything from beating Prescott apart from saying he avenged a defeat. He doesn't gain anything resume wise or ranking (either 140 or P4P) wise, so I don't see the point. But thats just me.
He should have to take the test cos theres no way a normal dude can take a flush punch on the chin without the use of PED's...
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But he did show good composure, I'd probs would've been KO'd even if the power wasn't all there. :lol1:
Well the obvious in Mayweather, and obviously Marquez has given him problems in the past so those 2. Williams would also be a tough fight for him cos of the height, reach, chin and stamina.
Apart from that, most people on that list would probably lose to Manny.
This is a funny interview. Wlad is actually a funny guy and I enjoy his dry sense of humor, and he's a humble dude as well. Much prefer this to the trash Haye's spouts. He seems relaxed for this fight, doesn't seem phased by Haye's talk at all.
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A rematch would just be pointless, Malignaggi doesn't have the power to keep Hatton off him and it would just be a repeat of the last fight, except Paulie's trainer might not throw in the towel this time. And as for him saying Hatton's an average puncher, is that why he was holding Hatton every single time he got hit. Malignaggi is delusional.
And it doesn't matter anyway, Khan will beat him. Too quick, has enough power to get his respect and Malignaggi doesn't have the power to KO Khan, so he's just going to get beat down over 12 for a UD for Khan.
Yeah, you won't find a forum like that. I think here is pretty good. There are a lot of knowledgeable fight fans on here, and I've learnt a whole lot from them as I'm not anywhere the most knowledgeable boxing fan, but I come here to learn things about boxing and what peoples opinions are. When the forum is actually talking about boxing, rather than the personal lives of Mayweather or Pac, then you learn and discuss boxing. Just stick in and don't read the stupid threads.
Or leave, up to you!
Williams would school Froch even worse then Dirrell schooled Froch
But Dirrell and Williams fight nothing alike. Williams would not be effective at 168, wouldn't be enough power to keep Froch off him, he's not a skilled boxer, in the classic sense, that is to say he doesn't box or use his height advantage and likes to fight on the inside, and Froch has a lot of power and Williams chin has not been tested really at 168.
So IMO, Froch would probably KO Williams within the first 5 rounds. Unless Williams showed he could take power up and his chin. But as of now, there's no proof of that.
and retire? Why not Winky Wright like I was talking about earlier today? They are both probably gonna be with Top Rank and Winky is a better name to have on your res than Hatton is.
But what weight would Winky fight Cotto at? Becasue last fight he was at 160, and Cotto is only moving up to 154 now. I'm not a huge Cotto fan, I like him and he's a good, exciting fighter, but I on't know how much he has left. I think Cotto fan's just want him to make a lot of money with a Hatton fight and then retire without receiving much more damage, as Hatton wouldn't really be able to do much to him. It'd also be an exciting fight while it lasted, so good excitement for the fans as well.
A good starting point though is the Foreman fight, and if he looks good in that fight, then who knows what Cotto will do next. And also, would HBO be interested in a fight between Cotto & Hatton or Winky? Because at the moment, both are coming off KO losses to Pac, and Winky hasn't won in years and most people think they are done, so would HBO pay for it? And at least the Foreman fight is for a title.
I thought they were going to do a Super Six for the cruiserweight division? But I may be mistaken. But as for division where a super six could be done and bring lots of excitement are 140 and 154. For 154 you could have:
Sergio Martinez
Paul Williams
James Kirkland
Alfredo Angulo
Kermit Cintron
Sergei Dzindzirik
Well that's what came to my head anyway, I'm sure there will be more names about that people would have in the tournament.
It'd be great if it happens, not just for both of their legacies, but for the whole of boxing. However, I think it won't happen. Since negotiations failed last time and they both signed up for new fights, the negotiations are back at the beginning, but will now have different demands etc. When (most likely) Mayweather out sells Pac in the upcoming PPV fights, Mayweather will want the bigger share and as Pac has a big ego (They both do) he will want a equal share, so that's now a even bigger problem, and it will take forever to sort out, even though whatever the split, they will both have their biggest payday.
And then you come onto the random blood testing. Mayweather from recent interviews now wants it up to the day of the fight, and I don't know whether Pac will accept or what deadline he will accept. And Mayweather probably won't drop it, so then this is another huge problem.
Well there's 2 big problems, and I wouldn't be surprised if they managed to come up with another road block in the negotiations. So if you look it like this, then it seems unlikely. But stranger things have happened, and they both love money, so maybe they will work it out. I hope they do!
This is whats funny though.
People don't buy the PPV for the card,
they buy for the main event.
Nobody remembers who was on the undercard of Holyfield-Tyson.
lol @ flomos just a few months ago saying, "we should all support boxings big fights no matter what" in regards to Mayweather Marquez.
Now,
"this card is crap, I'm not buying it".
Yeah man, I just said that above, and I know people on here are going to watch the undercard as most people are hardcore boxing fans, but for the casual fans, they don't really care, so there's not too much point in over stacking the card. Yeah, putting loads of massive fights on would be great, but it's not going to happen and people should know this by now.
This would never happen in a million years, too much money for it to. I'm sure Pac and Mayweather are both confident of winning, but just too much risk. Maybe they could come to an arrangement like the Hopkins vs Jones fight where if they win by knock out they get 60-40 rather than 50-50. That agreement would lead to a very exciting match up.
Forcing a natural JM to move down in weight while the smaller man moves up is the jist of catchweights. It matters less that they met at welter, to force Oscar to 147 was the catch. Accept truth.
How did Manny force Oscar to do anything? Oscar moved down to make it seem more of a fair match and and at that point in time, Manny was in no position to demand or force anyone to do anything, especially against De La Hoya.
I know what you mean, and agree to an extent. But boxing is just sooo international that it's impossible to enforce that. So many promoters, sanctioning bodies, and networks it's tough to compare to other sports.
The NFL,NBA, and MLB....that would be like if Top Rank had all of the best fighters in the world, and any other promotion was a joke, ya know? If that was the case we wouldn't be having these issues but it's just impossible for that to happen.
It would be enforceable, not enforceable but applied, but it'd be up to the networks to do the enforcing. They should really only accept the top, most competitive matches available, giving them the money, then it would be up to the promoters to do proper match making, rather that some of the whack ass matches some of them come up with now.
I don't think its fear either. But calling it that makes internet discussions more robust.
The problem I have with this is that it makes boxing look like a total joke.
In any respectable sport where competition is fair and honest, the best fight the best.
Can you imagine if the Lakers said, "**** that, we won't play the Bobcats cuz' nobody knows who they are and they bring nothing to the table"...
They would be laughed out of the league. And rightly so.
This is my biggest problem with boxing as a "sport".
I was just about to post this. :biggthump In reality, there should be no justification for turning down a fight just because they bring no or little money to the table. I know some people see boxing as a business, but it's still a sport and the point of a sport is to compete and challenge yourself, not just take on the weakest challenge so you can make lots of money.
Fighting the best challengers will always bring money no matter what.
I'd be shocked, Pac would have to land a lot of punches to even get Clottey hurt IMO. Pac doesn't have 1 punch power at 147, he has plenty of power, but I just don't think enough to get Clottey seriously hurt. Like, has Clottey even been hurt or close to being KO'd? DOn't get me wrong, Pac will probably put a beating on Clottey, but KO? I don't think so.