Forcing a natural JM to move down in weight while the smaller man moves up is the jist of catchweights. It matters less that they met at welter, to force Oscar to 147 was the catch. Accept truth.
Nobody forced him okay, big deal, he still didn't belong at 147 in 2008, fighters should have advisors who protect them from themselves. Oscar came in at 145 anyway, another unforced catchweight.
Oscar and Floyd were suppose to get a rematch. Floyd retired, Oscar choose Pac. Oscar said sure ill go down to that weight.. Oscars a big boy, he doesnt need you to make his decisions.
Plus, im sure the millions Oscar made fighting Pac will help ease his pain embarresment
JMM and floyd wasnt a catchweight because JMM called him out, and floyd didnt even bother with making weight
TS expected Manny to move up to 154 when he was fighting at 130 8 months prior
Forcing a natural JM to move down in weight while the smaller man moves up is the jist of catchweights. It matters less that they met at welter, to force Oscar to 147 was the catch. Accept truth.QUOTE]
I accept that it is 2010 right now and you're still ranting from 2008!.Wake up!!
Nobody forced him okay, big deal, he still didn't belong at 147 in 2008, fighters should have advisors who protect them from themselves. Oscar came in at 145 anyway, another unforced catchweight.
Are we still with this? It's Oscars own fault that he was weight drained so shut the fuk up about this. He agreed to the weight, he signed the contract, and after he got his ass whopped this is the excuse that everyone is making?
Oscar lost fair and square deal with it and it's not like Manny or Roach forced him to fight at that weight.
To be fair this thread is not as stupid as the epic "pure Boxer" Thread:
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=389564
But still pretty retarded though
Oscar willingly went to 147, knowone forced him. I remember he announced (at the post fight press conference) right after his fight with Mayweather that he was going down to 147. Plus he was the one who challenged Manny, not the other way round.
what is Dlh reach? i still cant figure out how pac landed so many of those left hands. even my 7 year old can see those coming.
Oscar was a sitting duck in that one. Also have you seen fights like Martinez v. williams, whitaker v. DLH, Mayweather v. N'dou or pretty much any Tyson fight lol height and/or reach is not everything when you have speed and/or timing to counter it. Its boxing 101
and people still thought it was a mismatch in favor of Oscar.
Yeah it was part people being mislead and part people not knowing Oscar would have so much trouble coming down to WW. The misleading part was people thinking Pac would be at a disadvantage in the WW division. Pac has always weighed in the mid 140 around 143-146 on fight night well before that fight. Fighting at WW simply meant he could train to fight instead of training to make weight as many fighters do. Manny didn't force oscar to do anything though they agreed on the weight.
No disrespect but m.I.c is the most biased and worst poster on bs.
You're really not embarrassed bI dont have to be embarassed about sh-t on this board.
The catch is that Freddie Roach and Team Pac knew Oscar wouldn't be shit at that weight. Just like they knew Morales wouldn't be shit at 130, and Cotto wouldn't be shit at 145.
You're vendetta against Pacquiao clouds your judgment. Oscar himself stated he WANTED the fight at 147. Pacquiao and his team weren't the ones pressing the fight more than Oscar.
When Leonard fought Camacho at Middleweight, was that a catchweight fight because Leonard was old and didn't belong there? No, it was for the IBC Middleweight title and was at the Middleweight limit of 160lbs.