I'd imagine 6.
I'm asking because I want to make it for Warren/Arroyo and maybe even Katie Taylor's fight.
Doors open at 5.
Source: https://www.facebook.com/ken.robles.127/videos/1949593938613884/
Does Size Matter?
Who wins?
Ray Mercer vs. Rocky Marciano
Riddick Bowe vs. Floyd Patterson
Vitali Klitschko vs Joe Louis
David Haye Vs Jack Dempsey
Deontay Wilder Vs Gene Tunney
Rocky Marciano TKO 7
Riddick Bowe KO 7
Joe Louis TKO 8
Jack Dempsey TKO 6
Gene Tunney UD12
Wow really?
I'd say Mercer Ko's Marciano
Bowe Ko's Patterson
I'll take Vitali Klitchsko over Louis too, Lennox couldn't hurt him and Lennox was 6'5 250...Louis is like 6'2 215-220
Remember, I'm saying Vitali not ***** ass Wlad.
David Haye is 6'2 215ish explosive puncher...Dempsey 5'11 190 pounds...I think David Haye would KO him, different type of power.
Tunney was 6'0 and 190-200...if 6'6 225 Wilder lands one of those windmill rights I don't see him taking it. I got Wilder by KO
I really disagree with you. Rocky may have the single greatest chin the sport has ever seen and a nuclear bomb for a right hand.
Joe Louis might be the GOAT.
Jack Dempsey knocked out giants.
And Tunney despite his size is world's better of a boxer than Wilder and definitely would have taken to and beat him in a decision.
Mikey Garcia's dominance of Broner was amazing. He has to be in the P4P rankings. I honestly don't see anyone beating him at Lightwgt. Although I do see Linares has the chance of giving him a good fight. I think he'll be able to beat Terrance Crawford. I call it how I see it, or rather I call it how it is.
P4P
1-Ward
2-GGG
3-Canelo
4-Thurman
5-Mikey Garcia
6-Loma
7-Crawford
8-Santa Cruz
9-Badou
10-Frampton
You forgot Chocolatito, Pacquiao, Joshua and Kovalev.
I love Floyd and he deserves more respect than he gets here as a boxer in every sense, but Marciano's will forever be greater and hold a very special place in my heart. Rocky, in the golden era of boxing fought the best and beat the best and how he did it embodied what the word determination meant then, what it still means now whether others know it or not and will for all of the rest of time.
A champion.
Rest in peace, Rocky Marciano.
So your #1 is a guy who has exactly one quality win? Must be another skin pigmentation thing on your part.
If this is the case why does he have the same amount of black fighters as white?
Can't be bothered to do a list but Ward is 1 and then GGG, Crawford, Rigo and Loma make up the top 5. Kov can't just drop off the face of the earth due to his past 2 fights which were a blatant robbery loss then a slightly dodgy KO loss to the numbrr 1 guy.
If Kovalev wins another fight I'll bump Lara out.
Ward
GGG
Canelo
Lomachenko
Chocalatito
Crawford
Thurman
Rigo
Spence Jr
Joshua
Lomachenko too high on peoples lists in my opinion, how can you rank the guy higher than fighters like GGG and Canelo based on his record
Champion in 2 weight classes. Clears out a division and does things in the ring so well it's indescribable, that's why he's at the top for me.
I said his resume his great. Do you want me to give him a blowjob and call him the greatest of all the time? Sheesh. I've seen people pick apart the resumes of fighters greater than Manny but Pac should get a free pass despite having been been stopped in his prime multiple times, gift decisions, and needing to drain bigger fighters.
How is a man who fights nearly 20 pounds above his natural weight class accused of weight draining anyone?
This isn't even a resume thing. Bigger fighters lost to Pacquiao because he had too much speed and he carried up more power in weight than they thought he could.
Pac was a short welter, but not an undersized one. Let's not pretend Manny ever needed to drain anyone, he fought catchweights because it gave him an advantage. Just like Canelo does, but everyone hates when he does it.
Okay, who did he weight drain?
he wouldnt go near cotto w/o a clause in hand.
margarito was allowed to weigh more than cotto when pac fought him.
he also navigates his way through ww pretty smoothly.
lastly, it doesnt matter what a guy used to weigh unless hes taking on guys much bigger than him minus a clause. thats the only time you can give a guy props. pac vs 3g-canelo winner at mw ?!?!?! if pac were to beat the winner, id let my gf suck his c0ck.
Why wasn't Cotto weight drained when he weighed himself in at 146 against Clottey 6 months earlier without a clause to do so?
Margarito was allowed to weigh more because his last fight he weighed 8 more pounds than Cotto did.
And you're mocking the idea that a guy who's had less than a 1/4 of his fights at welterweight, never had a height or reach advantage, always punching upwards against a bigger man isn't a natural welterweight.
If he's such a natural welterweight why didn't anyone say Marquez weight drained him and made him come down to 144 to make a catchweight for their 3rd fight? Marquez was fighting down at 134 and 138 in his fights prior to Marquez Pacquiao III. That fight wasn't being made without a catchweight and Pacquiao, the A-side came down and nobody said he was weight drained and rightfully so because Manny Pacquiao isn't a natural welterweight, everyone knows he's not and anyone he fights at 147 is going to be bigger than him.
But then to paint what he did with catchweights as this great terror in the division and compare him to Canelo isn't right either because the only reason why Cotto and Margarito signed a catchweight clause is because they thought they could impose their size on him and use the size advantage even with a catchweight clause and beat him and they still couldn't, because Cotto was only coming down 1 pound.
When Canelo was making catchweights it was against smaller fighters so that he could impose himself as the bigger man, he wasn't weight draining anybody. He made Mosley come up from welterweight and made Cotto and Khan come up to the 155-160 middleweight limit. Canelo was a middleweight then fighting smaller fighters at a catchweight.
A lineal champion is a concept came up by true fans after the 1970s when the WBC, WBA, WBO and IBF would recognize different champions and strip champions for not fighting their mandatories. Canelo didn't get stripped, he gave his belt away and ducked GGG. That's a fact, anyone who even uses the word lineal should be a real fan of boxing and know that Canelo and middlweight champion aren't in the same sentence.
think about it without being a fan. pac didnt/WOULDNT fight cotto without that piece of paper.
he went on to fight everyone else at ww (fought margarito above ww).....minus that piece of paper. has he ever spoken about fighting cotto at ww or above ? nope.
wgaf what margarito weighed when he fought cotto ?!?!? i dont get the connection other than pac not wanting to risk fighting a cotto without a clause....and the kicker is, they were for COTTOS TITLES :lol1: thats some true a side shlt right there.
fights between cotto -ww days to the pac fight = 8
fights between pacs -ww days and his jmm 3 fight = 3 (cotto was '09. fought jmm 3rd time '11. i was unaware jmm claused pac. link ?)
the thing with pac is no one calls him on ANYTHING negative.
8 div this
ATG resume that
horn is a risk
fncking ridiculous.
I'm a fan of Pacquiao and Cotto, that piece of paper was because Pacquiao hadn't ever fought over 142. We didn't hear Pacquiao talk about Cotto again because he destroyed him in a showcase with speed and power that had again, nothing to do with weight draining because Cotto only came down 1 pound and immedietly after that fight, 6 months later Cotto went up to super welterweight and won the WBA Title from Yuri Foreman. Was Manny supposed to go all the way up to at least 148 and challenge Cotto for his super welterweight title? Or risk getting called a bigger weight drainer and have him come down 6 pounds to make welterweight again for a rematch?
And Manny weighed 144 against a 150 pound Margarito, he was still the smaller man, you could maybe make the argument that Pacquiao weight drained someone if he made a catchweight of 150, made 150 and made the other guy drain 4 pounds, but he didn't even do that, he came in 6 pounds under the catchweight. When people say Canelo drained Chavez, he not only made him come down to 164, Canelo weighed in at 164, not 158 or something.
Also I'm not talking about what Margarito weighed when he fought Cotto. I answered your question when you asked "Why was Margarito allowed to weigh more than Cotto?" and said it's because Margarito weighed 8 more pounds than Cotto, so they're not going to have the same catchweight. Manny asked Cotto to come down 1 pound from his previous fight, he wasn't going to ask Margarito to come down 9 pounds from his previous fight.
In Marquez Pacquiao III I don't know who made the clause, but I know both fighters agreed to a 144 catchweight and nobody said anything about Pacquiao being a natural welterweight and having to come down 1 single pound from his previous weigh-in and being weight drained like they do with Cotto.
http://www.boxingscene.com/photos-weights-pacquiao-143-marquez-142-undercard--45943
Lmao it was probably his wording that made it seem like that.
As for the video that **** was painful. Didnt go past 15sec
Money, Money, Money, Money Team, Money, Money, Money, Money Team!
Great list. Now my question is are you basing this based on how good they were in their era or how based on how you think they'd do against each other p4p?
With my list I leaned more towards how great they were in their era. Some that I considered strongly but didn't add were Roy Jones Jr., Alexis Arguello, Carlos Monzon, Joe Calzaghe, Juan Manuel Marquez, Pernell Whitaker and George Foreman along with a few others. The 1930s-1950s I believe to be the greatest there ever was in boxing. Out of my entire list I really tried to pick using my head, but, with Rocky Marciano I went with my heart and respect for a man, who like Floyd of our time, fought the best and beat the best in the golden era of boxing, when men were men and the only gameplan of a champion was do or die.
- McGregor KOs Floyd within 43 seconds
- McGregor's Spider Stance
- FAINTING with kicks to create openings
- McGregor hardest 154 Pounder in Boxing
You make every single GGG fan look dumb.
WE WILL BOUNCE HIS HEAD OFF THE CANVAS!!! Mark my words. FLOYD GETS ENDED in 2. I BET MY ENTIRE account on it. I dont give A FLYING ****.
I'll bet you.
I have a feeling he's going to say 12 unanswered punches to his head was an early stoppage and he could have continued, that he wasn't knocked down or out and Floyd had no power but ask the fans for credit that he didn't quit.
Better resume than golovkin..
I don't know why people shyt on the postal win.. probably because postal took the soul of fanboy legend lucas mattyhse
The only fighters Crawford has beat that's even comparable to what Golovkin has faced is Postol and Gamboa. GGG beat Jacobs, Lemieux and Brook which all three are arguably better than that. The rest of who GGG fought has been head and shoulders above anyone else Crawford has faced. Even their last couple of fights, you're going to tell me beating Diaz and Molina Jr. is better competition than Jacobs and Brook? Crawford's past two opponents haven't even been on the level of Geale and Murray.
Crawford needs another 5 good wins to be close to GGG's resume.
Another 5 wins to be close to GGG resume? Lmao wow
Last 8 fights. Do the math. Jacobs > Diaz. Brook > Molina Jr. Postol > Wade. Lemieux > Lundy. Monroe Jr. > Jean. Murray > Dulorme. Beltran > Rubio. Geale > Gamboa.
Golovkin has fought the tougher opponent 6 out of 8 times. Do we need to go on?
I'll give two no one has mentioned.
Rocky Marciano, relentless and a nuclear bomb for a right hand. For everything this man lacked in reach, hand-speed, skill or talent, he more than enough made up for in determination. If you ever have trouble describing what determination is, look at Rocky Marciano and he will forever be the definition. Rocky didn't need those things in the golden era of boxing when he fought the best, beat the best, never lost and wouldn't need them now.
Jack Dempsey, an aggressive slugger with killer instinct, seemingly born with it, great bobbing and weaving head movement and unbelievable power. Some may think that a man 6'1" and 190 pounds couldn't inflict damage on a larger man, but, you'd be wrong, Dempsey walked right through 6'6", 245 pound Jess Willard, the "Pottawatomie Giant" who knocked out an all-time great Jack Johnson. Willard also gave credit to Dempsey for delivering the hardest punch he had ever felt in his life. Jack Dempsey was a heavyweight you can't count out of any fight, any where in any era.
all other fights fail mightily over the tears produced by the outcome of these fights
Floyd clearly beat Manny...proved he was the best of the era, and won comfortably...the tears and excuses were real
Ward got off the canvas to comeback and beat Kovalev in a fight many were hoping to see Ward KTFO and finally lose....
What did you score Kovalev/Ward?
I thought Kovalev was confident because of the KD and let Ward gain momentum. Ward won it for me, but IMO I think it was 90% Kovalev letting the fight slip from his grasp and not because of Ward's "oh so" slick boxing; Ward looked terrible leading with his head and bending down a mile away before he reached Kov...ugh...it was beyond ugly. I really hope Kovalev doesn't let him off the hook this time.
Do you feel that Kovalev missed an opportunity to finish Ward somewhere between 2 and 5 and that he might finish Ward in the rematch?
Or was Ward's mistakes early from ring-rust and fight 2 will pick up where this fight left off with Ward not backing down, using his jab well and great bodywork against Kovalev?