Who's 49-0 Is Better?

so ummm fighting fighters with sh1t records is being a man? No actually fighting not being saved by the ref and being he bigger name is

You mean the performance that had a 39 year old Moore put Rocky on the canvas in the 2nd round? That's the guy that was going to beat- nevermind "knockout"- a 20 something year old Floyd Patterson? OK, if you say so... Have you even seen the fight fully or just watched parts/read boxrec? Honestly? Imo that was Marciano's best performance. He was on Moore from bell to bell and made him look like a novice. He just flat out controlled him nearly every second. Marciano wasn't on the canvas for even the count to start dude so if you think that determines the entire fight then you need to rethink things. Ali got knocked down by Wepner but did he struggle with him? Hell no. Yes, Marciano would have knocked Patterson out. Patterson couldn't take a Marciano's punch. No way in hell. It wasn't like it too a lot to wear Patterson down, he just couldn't take a punch.

...he beat azumah nelson, Jesse James Leija, Jorge Paez, Carlos hernandez, etc....if you never watched him fight...thats your problem....he was the best of his era and only lost to two hall of famers in his entire career ....how many undisputed champions were there during his career at 130-154....there were none genius...how can you fight something that doesnt exist He unified at 147 and 154 and won lineal titles in 4 out of 5 divisions....beat guys ranked 1-3 several times..come on bro you reaching. He fought in a weak era. De La Hoya and Mayweather cleaned him out. Two prosepects. The fact that there were no undisputed champs should tell you that it was a weak era. Marciano fought 4, Mayweather none.

you might want to do some research...the Mob ran it....i mean international boxing club In 1960, the Senate Subcommittee on Antitrust and Monopoly chaired by Senator Estes Kefauver held hearings into organized crime and professional boxing. It was revealed that the IBC had ties to Mafioso Frankie Carbo, a soldier in New York's Lucchese Family who had been a gunman with Murder, Inc. At the time of the hearings, Carbo was imprisoned on Riker's Island, having been convicted of the undercover management of prizefighters and unlicensed matchmaking. The hearings revealed that Carbo's wife was employed by the IBC at a salary of $45,000 a year. The following year, Gibson Jr. and Carbo, Carbo's partner Frank "Blinky" Palermo (a member of the St. Louis crime family, and Los Angeles mobsters Joe Di Sica and Louis Dragna, were charged with conspiracy and extortion against National Boxing Association Welterweight Champion Don Jordan. After a three-month trial, in which U.S. Attorney General Robert Kennedy served as prosecutor, the defendants were convicted and sent to federal prison. Don't worry I know all about the Mob's control of boxing. Actually, researching the mob used to be a bit of a hobby for a couple of years. I pretty much know all of mob history like the back of my hand. That sounds convenient but I'm telling the truth I promise. Marciano wasn't a mob controlled fighter. The mob did try to control Marciano but he actually called the guy a disgrace to italians. Here's the sources: https://books.google.com/books?id=JbfDCQAAQBAJ&pg=PA249&lpg=PA249&dq=Marciano+mobster+disgrace+to+italians&source=bl&ots=Kactg9beue&sig=AfBPJz2xwyOzsykxPZxQGlq3kLE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi28pTVwubUAhWD6iYKHUAIDb8Q6AEINDAB#v=onepage&q=Marciano%20mobster%20disgrace%20to%20italians&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=JcAfWaCa9esC&pg=PA104&lpg=PA104&dq=Marciano+mobster+disgrace+to+italians&source=bl&ots=1I3j6tAAvc&sig=O51wZu73a2ChQTQRBFKFXBBgjVk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi28pTVwubUAhWD6iYKHUAIDb8Q6AEINzAC#v=onepage&q=Marciano%20mobster%20disgrace%20to%20italians&f=false

Judging from Rocky's last performance against Archie Moore, he would have knocked Patterson out. Lol now he ducked? Who did he duck? Nino Valdes? :lol1::rofl: You mean the performance that had a 39 year old Moore put Rocky on the canvas in the 2nd round? That's the guy that was going to beat- nevermind "knockout"- a 20 something year old Floyd Patterson? OK, if you say so...

Doesn't mean Rocky didn't see the writing on the wall. For example, Archie Moore fought Patterson a year after fighting Rocky. Point is, had Rocky kept fighting he would have certainly ran into those guys...and took a few Ls for his trouble. But, he didn't. He ducked out instead in an era where guys were logging at least 65-70 fights, with many over 100. You explain it, cuz I can't... Judging from Rocky's last performance against Archie Moore, he would have knocked Patterson out. Lol now he ducked? Who did he duck? Nino Valdes? :lol1::rofl:

There was no IBC. It was NBA and NYSAC and they always recognized one guy as champion. If there were any discrepancies then they HAD to fight. Wilder and Joshua have been co champs for a year and there is still no fight. Golovkin has been co champ with Saunders for almost 2 years and there has been no fight. Don't commit the logical fallacy of comparing to things that are not the same as if they were. NYSAC/NBA is NOT the same as WBC/WBA/IBF/WBO. you might want to do some research...the Mob ran it....i mean international boxing club In 1960, the Senate Subcommittee on Antitrust and Monopoly chaired by Senator Estes Kefauver held hearings into organized crime and professional boxing. It was revealed that the IBC had ties to Mafioso Frankie Carbo, a soldier in New York's Lucchese Family who had been a gunman with Murder, Inc. At the time of the hearings, Carbo was imprisoned on Riker's Island, having been convicted of the undercover management of prizefighters and unlicensed matchmaking. The hearings revealed that Carbo's wife was employed by the IBC at a salary of $45,000 a year. The following year, Gibson Jr. and Carbo, Carbo's partner Frank "Blinky" Palermo (a member of the St. Louis crime family, and Los Angeles mobsters Joe Di Sica and Louis Dragna, were charged with conspiracy and extortion against National Boxing Association Welterweight Champion Don Jordan. After a three-month trial, in which U.S. Attorney General Robert Kennedy served as prosecutor, the defendants were convicted and sent to federal prison.

yea...he had something left Charles ****ed up his nose though Not enough for him to at least consider a comeback apparently. Don't know if it was just the nose, I think he just wanted that 0 and knew he'd never keep it if he kept fighting.

Like I said, the era he fought in, 49 fights is a low number. That's a guy getting out early. yea...he had something left Charles ****ed up his nose though

whether he could have fought them or not, his resume is one of the worst of the so called ATG heavyweights if you think this guys 49-0 is better than mayweather you have to be some old italian dope remembering the glory days Like I said, the era he fought in, 49 fights is a low number. That's a guy getting out early.

He was in his 20s and 30s. He was only older than Cotto, Maidana, and Pacquiao when they fought. However I think everyone will agree that Mayweather stayed in pretty consistent shape over the years. Of course I have a distaste. He legit cherry picks old ass dudes who were good 10 years before he fought 'em and when he wins by UD he acts like he's tbe. The dude's a feather-fisted bum. His defense is overrated and the only guys he fought that were prime, he weight drained 'em or they weren't good to begin with. He never fought a single legit undisputed champ in his entire career. Only guys who held a piece of the title. De la Hoya, Pacquiao (overrated af), and Mosley were the only legit champs he beat. Genaro wasn't very good. He lost to a dude that had only 17 fights and no experience. ...he beat azumah nelson, Jesse James Leija, Jorge Paez, Carlos hernandez, etc....if you never watched him fight...thats your problem....he was the best of his era and only lost to two hall of famers in his entire career ....how many undisputed champions were there during his career at 130-154....there were none genius...how can you fight something that doesnt exist He unified at 147 and 154 and won lineal titles in 4 out of 5 divisions....beat guys ranked 1-3 several times..come on bro you reaching.

Doesn't mean Rocky didn't see the writing on the wall. For example, Archie Moore fought Patterson a year after fighting Rocky. Point is, had Rocky kept fighting he would have certainly ran into those guys...and took a few Ls for his trouble. But, he didn't. He ducked out instead in an era where guys were logging at least 65-70 fights, with many over 100. You explain it, cuz I can't... whether he could have fought them or not, his resume is one of the worst of the so called ATG heavyweights if you think this guys 49-0 is better than mayweather you have to be some old italian dope remembering the glory days

https://i.giphy.com/media/14ceV8wMLIGO6Q/giphy.webp it amazes me how people act like the "golden age" of boxing was without corruption....the mob ran boxing back then....decade prior there were still "colored" world titles cuz cowards still drew the colour line.

Kovalev has only himself to blame. Of course, that Ward has one of the strongest teams in and out of the ring, but against any team, you don't go all by yourself. And that's exactly what Sergey did. He had no trainer, no good promoter, no team to look after his interests... You only need to know what happened in the dressing room prior to the fight and that's a minor thing compared to all other weaknesses around him. I hope he learnt the lesson. If not he will lose again and very soon too. This wasn't an A side against a B side. This was A+ side against a bunch of nonsense and mess. Not to take anything from Ward. He deserved a win in the rematch.

What are you talking about? That is pure bs. Patterson wasn't even rated while Marciano was champ. Liston wasn't rated until '58. Their careers at the top of the division never overlapped. Doesn't mean Rocky didn't see the writing on the wall. For example, Archie Moore fought Patterson a year after fighting Rocky. Point is, had Rocky kept fighting he would have certainly ran into those guys...and took a few Ls for his trouble. But, he didn't. He ducked out instead in an era where guys were logging at least 65-70 fights, with many over 100. You explain it, cuz I can't...

He retired just as his division was getting good. That would be like Wlad never facing Fury or Joshua. It is why he is never really in the discussion when we talk about the very best heavyweights. But, you go on thinking whatever you like... What are you talking about? That is pure bs. Patterson wasn't even rated while Marciano was champ. Liston wasn't rated until '58. Their careers at the top of the division never overlapped.

how old was he when he fought them? he was in his 30's himself and past prime for everyone except Mitchell, Gatti and Baldomir its clear that you literally have a distaste for the man because there is no way possible Marciano has a better resume or beat better fighters than floyd...regardless of titles or not....marciano fought a lot of people you guys would destroy floyd for fighting......30 plus fights in and fighting guys with less than 20 fights? sub .500 records? the critics would crucify floyd for that He was in his 20s and 30s. He was only older than Cotto, Maidana, and Pacquiao when they fought. However I think everyone will agree that Mayweather stayed in pretty consistent shape over the years. Of course I have a distaste. He legit cherry picks old ass dudes who were good 10 years before he fought 'em and when he wins by UD he acts like he's tbe. The dude's a feather-fisted bum. His defense is overrated and the only guys he fought that were prime, he weight drained 'em or they weren't good to begin with. He never fought a single legit undisputed champ in his entire career. Only guys who held a piece of the title. De la Hoya, Pacquiao (overrated af), and Mosley were the only legit champs he beat. Genaro wasn't very good. He lost to a dude that had only 17 fights and no experience.

Your picking and choosing customs of an era that fit your argument. Classic cherry picking. So because Marciano didn't fight every month he was carefully managed? Lmao I didn't think this thread could get any funnier! For one he only fought for 7 years. That's 7x per year, more than every other month. How many fights has Mayweather had in the last 5 years? Joe Louis only fought 69 times over a 17 year period. That's 4 times per year. Does that make him bad? Do you even know what careful management is? Evidently not. He retired just as his division was getting good. That would be like Wlad never facing Fury or Joshua. It is why he is never really in the discussion when we talk about the very best heavyweights. But, you go on thinking whatever you like...

the man who beat the man is one champion, lineal champion.....Mosley, Judah, Cotto, ODLH, Pacquaio, G. Hernanez, Castillo, Mosley, Hatton, Corrales, Baldomir, Marquez all won lineal titles and various major alphabet titles Genaro hernandez held the wbc and wba and was undefeated at 130 until mayweather beat him in only his 18th pro fight De La Hoya was lineal in 3 divisons and won major titles in 3 others Mosley was lineal at 147 and won titles in 2 other divisions corrales lineal at 135 and held wbo, wbc there and ibf at 130 no matter how you try to spin it...mayweather simply fought and beat better overall competition and accomplished more than him. history lesson.....the NBA(National boxing association)....IBC(international Boxing Council).....NYSAC( NEW YORK STATE ATHLETIC COMMISSION)....were the alphabet boys of their time and titles were splintered even back then. There was no IBC. It was NBA and NYSAC and they always recognized one guy as champion. If there were any discrepancies then they HAD to fight. Wilder and Joshua have been co champs for a year and there is still no fight. Golovkin has been co champ with Saunders for almost 2 years and there has been no fight. Don't commit the logical fallacy of comparing to things that are not the same as if they were. NYSAC/NBA is NOT the same as WBC/WBA/IBF/WBO.

What are you talking about "careful management" What is more careful than logging only 49 fights in an era where other greats are well over 100, some over 150 fights? Careful indeed... Your picking and choosing customs of an era that fit your argument. Classic cherry picking. So because Marciano didn't fight every month he was carefully managed? Lmao I didn't think this thread could get any funnier! For one he only fought for 7 years. That's 7x per year, more than every other month. How many fights has Mayweather had in the last 5 years? Joe Louis only fought 69 times over a 17 year period. That's 4 times per year. Does that make him bad? Do you even know what careful management is? Evidently not.