Manny Pacquiao's underrated resume

I think that the hate is genuine, honesly. I mean the level of effort that some of these cats put forth -- it's gotta be. Somewhere along the line they developed such a deep embedded hatred of that particular boxer and that boxer's fan base that it's almost become a life mission of theirs, lmao. To be on b-scene and to hunt down threads related to that fighter and anybody who supports that fighter. And of course with the more popular the fighter, the more hatred that fighter seems to attract. We've seen it in amazing numbers with Mayweather & Pacquiao, and then to a lesser (but still very, VERY sizable) degree guys like GGG, Ward, Canelo, etc. Sounds like you are spot on and It doesn't look like It's going to Improve anytime soon. It can become easy to find yourself actually developing hatered for the fan base of certain fighters, they seem to make It pretty easy. The worst part of It Is that you will find yourself disliking the fighter more than you actually do because of some of the a**holes on this board that support them.

Sometimes you wonder If they are actually being real or If they get off on arguing for the sake of arguing. The site has become over run with these mindless motherf**kers who cannot have a legitimate discussion and disagreement In a civil manner. It's just constant digs and repetitive bulls**t I think that the hate is genuine, honestly. I mean the level of effort that some of these cats put forth -- it's gotta be. Somewhere along the line they developed such a deep embedded hatred of that particular boxer and that boxer's fan base that it's almost become a life mission of theirs, lmao. To be on b-scene and to hunt down threads related to that fighter and anybody who supports that fighter. And of course with the more popular the fighter, the more hatred that fighter seems to attract. We've seen it in amazing numbers with Mayweather & Pacquiao, and then to a lesser (but still very, VERY sizable) degree guys like GGG, Ward, Canelo, etc.

People who hate Manny will never give him credit. For anything. They're just not gonna do it. They wouldn't be caught dead doing it. Haters of Floyd do the same thing. I used to wanna go back and forth with them but I'm starting to FINALLY learn that there's zero f**king point. It's like arguing politics between a democrat and republican. It's f**king pointless. The hatred is so strong with some of these people that it's really f**king funny, to be honest. There's not a single fighter in the sport that I dislike with the level of passion that some of these posters do with Manny. Floyd too, of course. Not even f**king close. Go back as deep as you can into my post history and you'll never find my ass trying to discredit a fighter the way some of these cats do. I mean for f**k's sake, man. It's a f**king sport. It's entertainment at the end of the day. I ain't about to pour the level of effort that some of these motherf**kers do disliking some guy I don't even know personally, lol. And will never ever meet for that matter. It's f**king weird, man. Sometimes you wonder If they are actually being real or If they get off on arguing for the sake of arguing. The site has become over run with these mindless motherf**kers who cannot have a legitimate discussion and disagreement In a civil manner. It's just constant digs and repetitive bulls**t with people that truly don't know the sport or the fighters besides what they found out 5 minutes prior on f**kin Google. It's disgusting to say the least but their are a handful of decent people to discuss boxing with, for now.

Haha his hate is clouding his mind. People who hate Manny will never give him credit. For anything. They're just not gonna do it. They wouldn't be caught dead doing it. Haters of Floyd do the same thing. I used to wanna go back and forth with them but I'm starting to FINALLY learn that there's zero f**king point. It's like arguing politics between a democrat and republican. It's f**king pointless. The hatred is so strong with some of these people that it's really f**king funny, to be honest. There's not a single fighter in the sport that I dislike with the level of passion that some of these posters do with Manny. Floyd too, of course. Not even f**king close. Go back as deep as you can into my post history and you'll never find my ass trying to discredit a fighter the way some of these cats do. I mean for f**k's sake, man. It's a f**king sport. It's entertainment at the end of the day. I ain't about to pour the level of effort that some of these motherf**kers do disliking some guy I don't even know personally, lol. And will never ever meet for that matter. It's f**king weird, man.

Hatton got fd up Malignanni? Right there proves u dont know sh#t Haha his hate is clouding his mind.

think about it without being a fan. pac didnt/WOULDNT fight cotto without that piece of paper. he went on to fight everyone else at ww (fought margarito above ww).....minus that piece of paper. has he ever spoken about fighting cotto at ww or above ? nope. wgaf what margarito weighed when he fought cotto ?!?!? i dont get the connection other than pac not wanting to risk fighting a cotto without a clause....and the kicker is, they were for COTTOS TITLES :lol1: thats some true a side shlt right there. fights between cotto -ww days to the pac fight = 8 fights between pacs -ww days and his jmm 3 fight = 3 (cotto was '09. fought jmm 3rd time '11. i was unaware jmm claused pac. link ?) the thing with pac is no one calls him on ANYTHING negative. 8 div this ATG resume that horn is a risk fncking ridiculous. I'm a fan of Pacquiao and Cotto, that piece of paper was because Pacquiao hadn't ever fought over 142. We didn't hear Pacquiao talk about Cotto again because he destroyed him in a showcase with speed and power that had again, nothing to do with weight draining because Cotto only came down 1 pound and immedietly after that fight, 6 months later Cotto went up to super welterweight and won the WBA Title from Yuri Foreman. Was Manny supposed to go all the way up to at least 148 and challenge Cotto for his super welterweight title? Or risk getting called a bigger weight drainer and have him come down 6 pounds to make welterweight again for a rematch? And Manny weighed 144 against a 150 pound Margarito, he was still the smaller man, you could maybe make the argument that Pacquiao weight drained someone if he made a catchweight of 150, made 150 and made the other guy drain 4 pounds, but he didn't even do that, he came in 6 pounds under the catchweight. When people say Canelo drained Chavez, he not only made him come down to 164, Canelo weighed in at 164, not 158 or something. Also I'm not talking about what Margarito weighed when he fought Cotto. I answered your question when you asked "Why was Margarito allowed to weigh more than Cotto?" and said it's because Margarito weighed 8 more pounds than Cotto, so they're not going to have the same catchweight. Manny asked Cotto to come down 1 pound from his previous fight, he wasn't going to ask Margarito to come down 9 pounds from his previous fight. In Marquez Pacquiao III I don't know who made the clause, but I know both fighters agreed to a 144 catchweight and nobody said anything about Pacquiao being a natural welterweight and having to come down 1 single pound from his previous weigh-in and being weight drained like they do with Cotto. http://www.boxingscene.com/photos-weights-pacquiao-143-marquez-142-undercard--45943

Pac was a short welter, but not an undersized one. Let's not pretend Manny ever needed to drain anyone, he fought catchweights because it gave him an advantage. Just like Canelo does, but everyone hates when he does it. Okay, who did he weight drain? he wouldnt go near cotto w/o a clause in hand. margarito was allowed to weigh more than cotto when pac fought him. he also navigates his way through ww pretty smoothly. lastly, it doesnt matter what a guy used to weigh unless hes taking on guys much bigger than him minus a clause. thats the only time you can give a guy props. pac vs 3g-canelo winner at mw ?!?!?! if pac were to beat the winner, id let my gf suck his c0ck. Why wasn't Cotto weight drained when he weighed himself in at 146 against Clottey 6 months earlier without a clause to do so? Margarito was allowed to weigh more because his last fight he weighed 8 more pounds than Cotto did. And you're mocking the idea that a guy who's had less than a 1/4 of his fights at welterweight, never had a height or reach advantage, always punching upwards against a bigger man isn't a natural welterweight. If he's such a natural welterweight why didn't anyone say Marquez weight drained him and made him come down to 144 to make a catchweight for their 3rd fight? Marquez was fighting down at 134 and 138 in his fights prior to Marquez Pacquiao III. That fight wasn't being made without a catchweight and Pacquiao, the A-side came down and nobody said he was weight drained and rightfully so because Manny Pacquiao isn't a natural welterweight, everyone knows he's not and anyone he fights at 147 is going to be bigger than him. But then to paint what he did with catchweights as this great terror in the division and compare him to Canelo isn't right either because the only reason why Cotto and Margarito signed a catchweight clause is because they thought they could impose their size on him and use the size advantage even with a catchweight clause and beat him and they still couldn't, because Cotto was only coming down 1 pound. When Canelo was making catchweights it was against smaller fighters so that he could impose himself as the bigger man, he wasn't weight draining anybody. He made Mosley come up from welterweight and made Cotto and Khan come up to the 155-160 middleweight limit. Canelo was a middleweight then fighting smaller fighters at a catchweight.

Everybody hates when everybody does it. It ain't like Manny got a free pass on that sh*t. He got sh*tted on as much as anybody for the CW's. But guess what, ALL the A-sides do it. That's the benefit of being an A-side. You get the advantages. If motherf**kers wanna fight you and get that payday then they gotta sign under the dotted line agreeing to YOUR stipulations. That's the way it is. I don't fault any of them for doing it. They earned that sh*t by becoming the A-side. It's like in the other pro sports -- when you're the BETTER team throughout the season, you get home field/home court/home whatever advantage in the playoffs. No doubt about It. That should put the catch weight bull$ h! t argument to rest.

Pac was a short welter, but not an undersized one. Let's not pretend Manny ever needed to drain anyone, he fought catchweights because it gave him an advantage. Just like Canelo does, but everyone hates when he does it. Everybody hates when everybody does it. It ain't like Manny got a free pass on that sh*t. He got sh*tted on as much as anybody for the CW's. But guess what, ALL the A-sides do it. That's the benefit of being an A-side. You get the advantages. If motherf**kers wanna fight you and get that payday then they gotta sign under the dotted line agreeing to YOUR stipulations. That's the way it is. I don't fault any of them for doing it. They earned that sh*t by becoming the A-side. It's like in the other pro sports -- when you're the BETTER team throughout the season, you get home field/home court/home whatever advantage in the playoffs.

F'd up by Malignaggi? :lol1: What's that by dominating him for 10 rounds and stopping him? Yeah that one threw me too, lol. F'd up by Paulie??

How is a man who fights nearly 20 pounds above his natural weight class accused of weight draining anyone? This isn't even a resume thing. Bigger fighters lost to Pacquiao because he had too much speed and he carried up more power in weight than they thought he could. Pac was a short welter, but not an undersized one. Let's not pretend Manny ever needed to drain anyone, he fought catchweights because it gave him an advantage. Just like Canelo does, but everyone hates when he does it.

I said his resume his great. Do you want me to give him a blowjob and call him the greatest of all the time? Sheesh. I've seen people pick apart the resumes of fighters greater than Manny but Pac should get a free pass despite having been been stopped in his prime multiple times, gift decisions, and needing to drain bigger fighters. How is a man who fights nearly 20 pounds above his natural weight class accused of weight draining anyone? This isn't even a resume thing. Bigger fighters lost to Pacquiao because he had too much speed and he carried up more power in weight than they thought he could.

I saw a similar thread to this on Roy Jones Jr's resume and how a lot of posters here feel that his resume is very underrated and that he might be the 160-175 GOAT in his prime. This thread is not to compare Manny Pacquiao's resume to Roy Jones Jr's. But like the other thread it's trying to hypothetically compare that Manny Pacquiao in his prime might be the 126-140 GOAT with really only Duran and Chavez being able to dispute that. So, let me give you an idea of how great Manny Pacquiao's resume really is. Imagine if Leo Santa Cruz beat these fighters. Beat Donnie Nietes for the World Flyweight Title at 112. Beat Jessie Magdaleno for the World Super Bantamweight Title at 122. Fight of the year with Gary Russell Jr. ending in a draw that would have ended with him winning a split decision had the scorecard been tallied up correctly winning the World Featherweight Title at 126. Moves up to 130 and loses a close decision to Miguel Berchelt and rematches him less than a year later and stops him, then closes the trilogy a year after that by knocking him out. Beats Vasyl Lomachenko in a split decision for the World Super Featherweight Title at 130. Moves up 3 weight classes in less than a year to 147 and stops Shawn Porter. Beats Danny Garcia at 140. Beats Keith Thurman for the World Welterweight Title at 147. Then defends and retains his title against Adrien Broner, Jessie Vargas and Errol Spence Jr before finally leaving his prime. For reference on those comparisons they're Donnie Nietes is Chatchai Sasakul, Pacquiao's first world title win in 1998 at 19 years old at 112. Jessie Magdaleno is Lehlo Ledwaba. Gary Russell Jr. is Juan Manuel Marquez at the time of their first fight. Miguel Berchelt is Erik Morales. I didn't include his win over Barrera. Vasyl Lomachenko is Juan Manuel Marquez at the time of their 2nd fight as Juan Manuel Marquez was considered the second best pound for pound fighter in the world in 2008. Shawn Porter is Oscar De La Hoya. Danny Garcia is Ricky Hatton as Hatton was frequently mentioned in pound for pound top 10 rankings 2005 through 2009 until Pacquiao knocked him out. Keith Thurman is Miguel Cotto. Adrien Broner, Jessie Vargas and Errol Spence Jr are Joshua Clottey, Antonio Margarito and Shane Mosley respectively as where Clottey, Margarito and Mosley's skill levels match up with Broner, Vargas and Spence at the time. How can Manny Pacquiao's resume ever be doubted or called into question? It stacks up with the greatest of all-time. I don't care if he has radical fans from the Philippines or that casuals love him. His resume speaks for itself. Open your eyes and see that there has been no man with more love to fight in him than Manny Pacquiao, an all-time great. Well said. Superb thread. Pacquiao's resume is how legends are made.

Let me give it a shot Lost his final fight at 130 Fought the worst champion at 135 Fought a shot Hatton who got knocked out by Floyd and f'd up by Malignaggi Fought a drained DLH at a catch weight Fought the a fake WW champion at a catch weight Fought a shot Margarito for a vacant Jr MW belt at a catch weight F'd up by Malignaggi? :lol1: What's that by dominating him for 10 rounds and stopping him? You have picked holes, all resumes have holes. But what you can't question is the fact Pacquaio has a great resume.

No I just don't think it's an atg win. I think it's over rated. I wouldn't say that. It was the same Eric Morales who went on to fight Marcos Maidana with Maidana saying the following "This was my toughest fight ever. The same Maidana who went on to give Mayweather all he could handle. The Morales win was not over rated.

What Is the Issue? He lost to Morales In their first fight. He was not supposed to rematch Morales for the chance to redeem himself? No I just don't think it's an atg win. I think it's over rated.

Manny's ATG and beat dozens of fighters in his way. He beat most guys they put in front of him and when he did lose, for 3 of those fighters, he's still ahead with 2 wins. Can't really question his resume.

I think at the apex of his fame his resume was overrated. Now that his stardom has faded it is being rated about how it should be, which is as an amazing first ballot HOF resume. His run between Marquez II to Margarito was very well orchestrated specially with setting him on par with Mayweather and fighting guys like DLH and Hatton after Floyd and the success those fights had Manny is a great fighter but very overrated IMO

pac is a 135lb boxer fighting a full pledge 147lb boxer for half a decade now. Very incredible.

I think at the apex of his fame his resume was overrated. Now that his stardom has faded it is being rated about how it should be, which is as an amazing first ballot HOF resume.