The man is not an idiot, he has reached the upper echelon of a competetive sport and will also have a team around him. Is it out of the bounds of peoples imagination that she may have been kissed by him before or at least prior to that was working him/flirting and that's why he felt the confidence to do it on video. I mean any male entertainer/celeb/sports star at the minute knows what the climate is like for accusations so for him to do it speaks volumes about how comfortable they were. To find later that she has been manipulating the rest of the scenario taints her earlier interaction as also possibly manipulated and any sane person would have to give Pulev at least the benefit of an investigation before claiming that the kiss is undeniable truth he forced himself on her. To say this thread is eye opening would be an understatement.
They sure did I don't see Joshua bouncing back he almost seems like he's glad to have lost I don't know maybe it all got to him and now the pressure is off
He made too much money too fast. It would take some one extra special, not just special, to be able to handle that and maintain the sort of drive that a really hungry fighter has. He also paid the price of the early ref stoppages he kept getting, he needed more practice finishing people before reaching this level as he is really not used to people coming to win/fighting back.
No. Joshua has vocal detractors. Tyson was seen as unstoppable. Douglas turned in the career of a lifetime. Ruiz took what everyone knew he could do and pushed to the best of himself and deserved it. Tyson looked like Tyson until all of a sudden he didn't and it was over. Joshua had a prolonged session of flaws being exposed and being humiliated.
No he just became undisputed if Ruiz holds the belt past a rematch if its claused it (still cant be sure aafter mcguigan forgot one on framptons lsc 2 lol) as Ruiz deals with Al Haymon, right?
Thanks, man
^^ I actually thought it was someone else as usually I hate your posts about Nery as they seem like blind countryman patriotism but if you posted nice thought out stuff like this more I would not think that. It's nice to see the you're not just a mexican "puppet". Good stuff. Damn wish they had got Nery instead of Young for the replacement in the wbss so we could have seen if he does have the heart/chin but it will come soon I guess. Lower divisions move nice and fast.
For the people talking about the extra time - for the type of fighter wilder is it actually probably hurt him more than helped, he seems like a very run on adrenaline hype up active go getter - he was readdy to run out, was stopped, pulled back, pushed to other side of ring and was looking irritated and ready to spring into begin the round - probably to throw ortiz off to show he wasn't going anywhere. Also Ortiz benefitted from every break after the 5th as well as wilder did, he needed to recover too.
Wilders interesting, I think its part my hate of how they shoved Joshua down our throats over here in the lead up to Wlad but it was pathetic, to hear him and others talk in promos about being like Ali etc. So it makes me root for this bat**** crazy american more and more. He reminds me of Eubank Jr combined with what Naseem said after that fight. Crazy athlete, physical specimen but if you don't got the skills you got to have the right hand. You have to have something up your sleeve, and he damn has it - but also knows how to get it in play. Everyones saying - he is so bad, but he eventually lands that right, his lucks holding out. How long before you stop seeing it as luck and start seeing it as - he always eventually finds a way to bring his bomb into play. Thats a skill in itself.
Give him a break, He's been a pro for 4 years and 19 fights. It's not like Wilder was looking for the best fighters after 19 fights.
4 years 40 fights - kind of work rate some other people could look at when fighting cans. Other people fight the same ****ty opponents too but do it twice a year so people don't talk about it as much.
It's interesting that he was almost a cruiser v superheavy and noone really talked about it, but if you give up weight in any other division you immediately gain respect etc.
Wilder been a pro nearly 10 years.. that's average of 4 fights a year, so about the same as Tank.
ahh cheers misunderstood then - although that still works out at 4/year which is still siginificantly better than most actives atm. Really odd now to even see records over 40 fights with current boxers work rates.
I've watched the fight again and man, Wilder really outboxed Ortiz. On top of landing more, he landed way more jabs, kept distance very well and countered well. In fact, all times that Ortiz went down it started with counters. His small steps didn't let Ortiz find his range and he was ducking preemptively after most big rights, what inabled Ortiz to counter them. To top it off, he adjusted to the right hook that hurt him and blocked it afterwards
One thing I've noticed aswell is it looked like Ortiz was controlling and Wilder was giving ground and ending up cornered but he always ended up in a position so that Ortiz hit ropes as he tried to step right and interupted his momentum. Wilders much craftier potential than I and others originally gave him credit for.
Because he has had thousands upon thousands of pounds poured into him since the olypmpics in advertising and pr etc to be built in to this star and shoved down our throats.
Wow amazing that a pathetic piece of ish is actually not only defending this reject but hyping the win? Big part of what's wrong with boxing/it's fans right there.
He went to the canvas 3 times, twice from punches early in the fight which the ref did not rule on as has been shown and discussed and once later on as a result from a wild swing slip. That's why I originally said I personally felt it was a shutout with 2 10/8 rounds in the main fight night thread.
With regards to the referee, I do think Junior pissed him off. He was being quite lax with him initially and pulled Groves a few times then the second time Groves bullied him through the ropes the ref called time to berate Groves however Jr didn't see the call and kept going, pushing the ref resulting in him getting chastised instead of Groves and I did feel like after that the ref kinda let Groves away with what he wanted on the inside/at the ropes. I guess it was another level of Juniors inexperience shining through.
Fuk me is it that much?
Yeah, there was very good incentives for all involved to join this - hence people giving up some lucrative opportunities to join in. Braehmer vacated a title, Smith gave up a title shot etc to get in, must have good coin even in the lower brackets. Sauerland mentioned getting a budget of 50 mill for the tourny.
Of course not. This sh^t can happen in a tournament. And the WBSS format has ALWAYS been to throw in a sub over push back a fight. EVERY SINGLE FIGHT has had a sub fighting on the main card. Completely f#cking stupid to throw away the tournament over something that was always a part of the tournament if someone was injured.
This tournament was built on real tournament rules (if you can't compete at the time scheduled you're f#cking out) while still giving fans the fights (via subs). I like it myself cuz tournaments shouldn't be won by mfers who fall apart or have an injury or w/e during the tournament.
Winning a WBSS tournament is about skill + toughness. Braehmer was too old & brittle or w/e the reason he fell out of this tournament is about to win this tournament. And Groves is too if he can't fight on June 2.
If you don't like that logic you ultimately don't like this tournament setup.
If the final is 2 replacement fighters (kickboxer, groves replacement) then why should they get the Muhammed Ali trophy? Genuine query, it would be worth absolutely nothing in following years. The only way I could see it being worth while (the trophy) is if they stick in the final contract that Groves gets to fight the winner when healthy, not as part of a tournament (to prove they deserved it). My problem would not be with the fighters replacing them (hell im all for new fighters getting that exposure and chance and also hate cards falling apart because main events fall through, looking at you mcguigan) but mostly I think they should scrap the trophy hand out in SMW and just have it for the CW winner. But this is only something I would want to happen if Groves cant make it.
Yes if they want it to have any sort of integrity at all it may be best to call off the remainder. They are hyping up the Muhammad Ali trophy and the CW will actually have earned something worthwhile, giving it for free to someone in SMW will immediately invalidate any worth it could possibly have.
I think an angle thats being missed in a lot of how we should view the Eubank promotional material is their standing in the current boxing climate in the UK. They have burned many bridges, many hate them Jr and the brothers career is basically riding entirely on him winning this and them forcing relevancy otherwise they will be pushed out to the fringes of fighting no namers in the arsehole of nowhere. This is all or nothing for them at the minute - but yeah the coverage has gotten ****ing grim, and many of the videos this week for some reason have has **** audio and ifls mic has ****ing died or something. Only worthwhile **** this week is good ol Kalle.
It would be similar to Canelo Chavez but gets stopped in the 9th since Eubank doesn't gas.
Eubank gasses. He gassed in the groves feet, dead on his feet throwing wildly.
Rungvisai is great but he shouldn't be at the top unless he unifies and moves divisions. He is on the list as he beat a p4p who was top as they made history + went on a streak through 4 divisions - aka no matter the weight, they were the best. AKA the purpose of p4p - that really doesn't mean Rungvisai should replace Choco on the p4p list - It means a great fighter finally hit the ceiling of his height/weight and discovered his bodies limits. Rung is a beast at that division because at that height and weight for fly he is ridiculously strong - he is only p4p if he retains that moving across weight classes. There are a couple of potentials at the minute for greatness but they need to continue to achieve first.
I've already said its a bad look if 2 replacements fight in the finals, but ultimately thats the tournament format. And yea its a * situation in WBSS history, but it is what it is. Its always been in the plans to have subs come in for cats when needed. Although I got less of a problem with this kickboxer guy if he beats Smith since he beat a tournament participant to make it to the finals.
If you wanna say its a dumb format, like that stupid a$$ round robin format in the super six which left mfers beat the f#ck up who lost with 2+ fights to go & opting out of the tournament, then fair play.
Personally I think they'll push back the finals a reasonable time (weeks to a couple months, but not 3 months or w/e, I definitely don't think they'll have the Season 1 finals AFTER Season 2 starts in Aug/Sept) if necessary to keep the integrity of the tournament as best as possible so this talk is likely for naught.
Yeah if you said that I didn't catch it, my bad. Fairly on the same page then I guess although Kalle has mentioned that he can only push back for 2 weeks but I mean, some bleed into the next tourny wouldn't be the end of the world, he has already said they will go slower and announce it 1 weight at a time so having it maybe during the quarters of the next one wouldn't be the end if the world and would preserve the integrity. I'm sure Groves wants the Ali trophy and I'm sure Smith wants Groves belts and ALL the fans wanna see a proper final so yeah, Sauerland Promotions seem fairly on the ball I don't think they will **** this up.