Comments Thread For: Luis Ortiz: You Must Give Wilder Credit, He Weathered The Storm

Everyone goes on about his skinny legs, yes he does have chicken legs for a HW but it hasn’t been a negative for him so far. I saw an interview where AJ said something about Wilder weight and how he would destroy him in regards to that. Well if he thinks he would then he would get KO earlier than I thought. I obviously want AJ to win but I just don’t see how he wins this fight against Wilder, the only scenario I see is if this fight doesn’t happen for another 2/3 years. Agreed bro. Wilder is stronger than he looks. AJ needs to either delay the fight a few more years for Wilder to decline or be selectively aggressive if he takes the fight now. Too much aggression will lead to him being countered by Wilder. Wilder is the best finisher in the game - albeit sloppy.

Well written, bro. These are the types of discussions I prefer to have on this site. One thing though - Wilder is extremely strong in his upper body despite his very skinny legs. See how he threw Ortiz down in the 10th and pushed him far away in one of the earlier rounds. Wilder also did the same against Duhaupas. If AJ thinks because of Wilder's weight, he can ragdoll him, he will be grossly mistaken. Wilder has barely no weight on those tiny legs but he is country strong. Everyone goes on about his skinny legs, yes he does have chicken legs for a HW but it hasn’t been a negative for him so far. I saw an interview where AJ said something about Wilder weight and how he would destroy him in regards to that. Well if he thinks he would then he would get KO earlier than I thought. I obviously want AJ to win but I just don’t see how he wins this fight against Wilder, the only scenario I see is if this fight doesn’t happen for another 2/3 years.

So far Ortiz has been classy, no excuses just giving Wilder credit for his win.

His frame possibly contributes. He looks quite ungainly because his levers are so long, unlike someone shorter like Tyson who looks very compact - making it harder to see defensive gaps. Having said that, he still makes little mistakes from time to time - like the one I mentioned leading to him getting caught by Ortiz right hook in the 7th which started the trouble. He aims a 1,2 at Ortiz but doesn't bring his left hand back up to his chin before launching the right hand. I actually think he does this semi-intentionally because it means he can put as much weight as possible behind the right hand. However, if he brought his jab back to his chin (as you're taught to as a kid) the right hook wouldn't have landed on the jaw. Luckily, Wilder's defensive reflexes kicked in and he survived the mini-crisis. If he had started boxing as a kid, rather than an 18 year old, he probably would have tighter technique. But all this stuff makes him a compelling fighter. part of makes Joshua Wilder so interesting is that they both have flaws and vulnerabilities but their flaws are different. Wilder is the better athlete but his technique can leave bigger defensive holes than you would want. Joshua looks technically more sound when throwing punches but has stamina issues and (in my opinion) questionable ring IQ in competitive fights. They also have different types of power. Guys clearly feel the impact of Joshua's punches even through their guard, and if they get caught on the ropes they're generally f*cked. But Wilder has this knack of hitting between and around guys' gloves and when he lands clean he destroys them. I've heard someone who sparred both (can't remember who) say "Joshua hits like a hammer, Wilder hits like a sniper" which probably sums it up. Well written, bro. These are the types of discussions I prefer to have on this site. One thing though - Wilder is extremely strong in his upper body despite his very skinny legs. See how he threw Ortiz down in the 10th and pushed him far away in one of the earlier rounds. Wilder also did the same against Duhaupas. If AJ thinks because of Wilder's weight, he can ragdoll him, he will be grossly mistaken. Wilder has barely no weight on those tiny legs but he is country strong.

You're too generous... I'm predicting he wont last a round You're right probably a round

i dont agree at all, it was a little more then that in my eyes not to mention it has nothing to do with the fight, wilder had no cut or anything going on for them to call on the doctor. only explanation would be lets give Wilder more time to recover. (I'm sure Wilder didn't even know what was happening and he would of been happy like all other fighters that receive a gift decision if it would of hit the score cards). I'm glad wilder was able to come back and KO Ortiz just to make the fight right and not have a gift decision on his record. On the other hand to say the fight wasn't stacked against Ortiz is a little on the underside. The cards read Wilder as being up? how is he up when he didnt do anything other than the 5th round is beyond me.i had it 6-3 ortiz 86-84 going into the 10th. I don’t give even rounds, i don’t give 10-8 rounds if there is no KD or point deduction & I don’t give 9-9 rounds unless both score a KD or point deduction. You get dropped you lose the round. I gave Wilder 5,6 & 9. Ortiz a shutout thru 4 only because he landed a few more & neither did much. I also gave him 7 & 8. He was winning on my card but I could see a couple of the first 4 rounds being scored for Wilder because of the lack of action & he being the champion. On many occasions close rounds go to the home fighter/ champion. Both guys were saved by the bell to end rounds. This was a close fight in my opinion.

Well said, bro! One thing though - think Wilder can fight going forward and backwards really well. I still think him and Fury do that really well. AJ cannot fight on the backfoot well at all - he may not need to though. I think Wilder's frame makes his technique look bad even when he throws correctly. His tiny legs accentuate every movement he makes. His frame possibly contributes. He looks quite ungainly because his levers are so long, unlike someone shorter like Tyson who looks very compact - making it harder to see defensive gaps. Having said that, he still makes little mistakes from time to time - like the one I mentioned leading to him getting caught by Ortiz right hook in the 7th which started the trouble. He aims a 1,2 at Ortiz but doesn't bring his left hand back up to his chin before launching the right hand. I actually think he does this semi-intentionally because it means he can put as much weight as possible behind the right hand. However, if he brought his jab back to his chin (as you're taught to as a kid) the right hook wouldn't have landed on the jaw. Luckily, Wilder's defensive reflexes kicked in and he survived the mini-crisis. If he had started boxing as a kid, rather than an 18 year old, he probably would have tighter technique. But all this stuff makes him a compelling fighter. part of makes Joshua Wilder so interesting is that they both have flaws and vulnerabilities but their flaws are different. Wilder is the better athlete but his technique can leave bigger defensive holes than you would want. Joshua looks technically more sound when throwing punches but has stamina issues and (in my opinion) questionable ring IQ in competitive fights. They also have different types of power. Guys clearly feel the impact of Joshua's punches even through their guard, and if they get caught on the ropes they're generally f*cked. But Wilder has this knack of hitting between and around guys' gloves and when he lands clean he destroys them. I've heard someone who sparred both (can't remember who) say "Joshua hits like a hammer, Wilder hits like a sniper" which probably sums it up.

He does deserve credit. Yes, all he has is power and a poor skill set, but the man got heart and you can't take it away. He does truly believe in himself and he is a fighter. I've been ****ting on him forever as I thought he would fold like a bad lawn chair once someone reaches him chin but the man was hurt and fought on. I just wish that now he would work on his craft but he has made it clear that it won't happen...which means again that it is just a mater of time before someone young enough can bob and weave and cut the ring on him for the KO. Ortiz was good, but the man looked old and slow in there....dead slow and he still had success, now I do believe that he was 100% on the juice for the very reason people take juice, so that he could train hard because he is just too old and just doesn't have the genetics to stay leaner. But once he has his first loss what will happen?

Wilder would have been a very bad stoppage, but I don't think you can make a case for Joshua being stopped. He got dropped but made the count and didn't take any sustained punishment after that. If Wilder had been stopped it would have been controversial af. Both guys did well to survive. They definately did well to survive, AJ spitting on his mouthpiece to buy time was very savy from someone so inexperienced but I mean the 5th round as that was 6th. After AJ emptied his tank dropping Wlad in 5th and Wlad hurt him a few times, he literally wasn't throwing back, on the ropes. I just think if it weren't in the UK then the ref woulda stepped in. Would have been harsh though.

Wilder and AJ are both quite lucky, in the 7th round of this fight and in the 5th round of AJ's fight - if the fights werent in their home countries respectively they most likely would have been stopped. They would have been harsh stoppages, but I've seen some ridiculous stoppages in boxing rings. Wilder would have been a very bad stoppage, but I don't think you can make a case for Joshua being stopped. He got dropped but made the count and didn't take any sustained punishment after that. If Wilder had been stopped it would have been controversial af. Both guys did well to survive.

Wilder and AJ are both quite lucky, in the 7th round of this fight and in the 5th round of AJ's fight - if the fights werent in their home countries respectively they most likely would have been stopped. They would have been harsh stoppages, but I've seen some ridiculous stoppages in boxing rings.

He deserves credit. He was being outboxed and out thought but was still hurting his opponent. He was all over the place in the 7th and looked like he was going to be taken out of there, yet came back to stop his opponent. He get's props.

Wilder is definitely more skilled than some give him credit for. But people's doubts are understandable (even if I don't agree with them) Wilder's a conundrum. He looks technically horrible at times (probably a result of taking up boxing late and being gifted with prodigious power which he can always fall-back on). But you just can't deny his skills when he keeps winning. Lightening doesn't strike 40 times I'd say that his skills derive from basic talent (excellent hand-eye coordination) which make up for a certain sloppiness technically. If he had better technique he wouldn't have been caught by the right hook which started his problems against Ortiz. You're right that the left hand probably did more damage, but I think the right hook buzzed him enough that he didn't see the left as well as he should have. The thing I like about Wilder as a fighter is that he has huge power but he's generally a back-foot fighter (Stiverne II aside). It's an interesting style to watch. Well said, bro! One thing though - think Wilder can fight going forward and backwards really well. I still think him and Fury do that really well. AJ cannot fight on the backfoot well at all - he may not need to though. I think Wilder's frame makes his technique look bad even when he throws correctly. His tiny legs accentuate every movement he makes.

You are correct, bro. I was just implying that Wilder is more observant than he is giving credit for. As you stated, he showed his heart while clearly hurt in the 7th round. I think the left hand hurt him more in the 7th round than the right hook. Wilder is definitely more skilled than some give him credit for. But people's doubts are understandable (even if I don't agree with them) Wilder's a conundrum. He looks technically horrible at times (probably a result of taking up boxing late and being gifted with prodigious power which he can always fall-back on). But you just can't deny his skills when he keeps winning. Lightening doesn't strike 40 times I'd say that his skills derive from basic talent (excellent hand-eye coordination) which make up for a certain sloppiness technically. If he had better technique he wouldn't have been caught by the right hook which started his problems against Ortiz. You're right that the left hand probably did more damage, but I think the right hook buzzed him enough that he didn't see the left as well as he should have. The thing I like about Wilder as a fighter is that he has huge power but he's generally a back-foot fighter (Stiverne II aside). It's an interesting style to watch.

For the people talking about the extra time - for the type of fighter wilder is it actually probably hurt him more than helped, he seems like a very run on adrenaline hype up active go getter - he was readdy to run out, was stopped, pulled back, pushed to other side of ring and was looking irritated and ready to spring into begin the round - probably to throw ortiz off to show he wasn't going anywhere. Also Ortiz benefitted from every break after the 5th as well as wilder did, he needed to recover too. Wilders interesting, I think its part my hate of how they shoved Joshua down our throats over here in the lead up to Wlad but it was pathetic, to hear him and others talk in promos about being like Ali etc. So it makes me root for this bat**** crazy american more and more. He reminds me of Eubank Jr combined with what Naseem said after that fight. Crazy athlete, physical specimen but if you don't got the skills you got to have the right hand. You have to have something up your sleeve, and he damn has it - but also knows how to get it in play. Everyones saying - he is so bad, but he eventually lands that right, his lucks holding out. How long before you stop seeing it as luck and start seeing it as - he always eventually finds a way to bring his bomb into play. Thats a skill in itself.

In actual fact the shot that Wilder countered was one that Ortiz never should have thrown. It was a right hook, all the way across his body with his feet in a horrible position, having already thrown a triple jab and left hand. It was a big mistake and Wilder punished it ruthlessly. The hook actually landed, but given Ortiz's position it didn't really have any mustard on it. Wilder's always got that ruthless side to him. What impressed me most about his performance though was his defence whilst rocked. When Ortiz rocked him in the 7th it was really 50/50 whether Wilder would survive. He came through the test with flying colours which shows you have to do more than just hurt him. Contrast this with Amir Khan (for example) who has only ever survived being hurt once (against Maidana). Wilder's physique always suggested to me that if you got him hurt he'd be easy to finish, but he proved his defensive composure and skills. You are correct, bro. I was just implying that Wilder is more observant than he is giving credit for. As you stated, he showed his heart while clearly hurt in the 7th round. I think the left hand hurt him more in the 7th round than the right hook.

Dont mind them. The gif you have in your profile shows Wilder thinks. The 10th round knockout was setup by baiting Ortiz. Ortiz threw a triple jab and Wilder evaded with his athleticism before countering with a right hand. How is that not impressive in itself? But they say he only has a right hand? He was thinking in there and had to see the triple jab. That is what setup the subsequent knockdown and TKO. I do think Fury will provide Wilder with the biggest challenge but I think Wilder gets him out of there. AJ will be easier for Wilder in my opinion. He is too textbook and easier to read for Wilder. In actual fact the shot that Wilder countered was one that Ortiz never should have thrown. It was a right hook, all the way across his body with his feet in a horrible position, having already thrown a triple jab and left hand. It was a big mistake and Wilder punished it ruthlessly. The hook actually landed, but given Ortiz's position it didn't really have any mustard on it. Wilder's always got that ruthless side to him. What impressed me most about his performance though was his defence whilst rocked. When Ortiz rocked him in the 7th it was really 50/50 whether Wilder would survive. He came through the test with flying colours which shows you have to do more than just hurt him. Contrast this with Amir Khan (for example) who has only ever survived being hurt once (against Maidana). Wilder's physique always suggested to me that if you got him hurt he'd be easy to finish, but he proved his defensive composure and skills.

Dont mind them. The gif you have in your profile shows Wilder thinks. The 10th round knockout was setup by baiting Ortiz. Ortiz threw a triple jab and Wilder evaded with his athleticism before countering with a right hand. How is that not impressive in itself? But they say he only has a right hand? He was thinking in there and had to see the triple jab. That is what setup the subsequent knockdown and TKO. I do think Fury will provide Wilder with the biggest challenge but I think Wilder gets him out of there. AJ will be easier for Wilder in my opinion. He is too textbook and easier to read for Wilder. Hey we have a guy paying attention here!

A coked out Fury you mean? Dont mind them. The gif you have in your profile shows Wilder thinks. The 10th round knockout was setup by baiting Ortiz. Ortiz threw a triple jab and Wilder evaded with his athleticism before countering with a right hand. How is that not impressive in itself? But they say he only has a right hand? He was thinking in there and had to see the triple jab. That is what setup the subsequent knockdown and TKO. I do think Fury will provide Wilder with the biggest challenge but I think Wilder gets him out of there. AJ will be easier for Wilder in my opinion. He is too textbook and easier to read for Wilder.

A coked out Fury you mean? A coked up Fury vs a stoned Wilder might make it more of a fair fight for Bum Squad. If they're both sober, Fury beats him with utter ease, shut out.