They were going to ROB Ortiz

As they should. Even the 8th was close to a 10-8 but i gave it 10-9 because Wilder recovered his legs and fought back...a little. it was a one sided round...but for me, a fighter needs to be out on his feet or take a massive beating to lose a round 10-8 without being knocked down.

all 3 judges also scored the 7th round 10-8. As they should. Even the 8th was close to a 10-8 but i gave it 10-9 because Wilder recovered his legs and fought back...a little.

I had it 6-3 Ortiz but could easily see it 7-2. Also I would have scored the 7th as a 10-8 round. lol exactly all 3 judges also scored the 7th round 10-8.

and who do you think haymonwanted to win between his "two" fighters........... exactly wilder so dont try to split hairs and look smart because you just end up looking stupid and shows you dksab He may have had a preference, but there's still a lot less incentive to interfere when you control both sides.

I see your point. You are the rule hound so I trust your understanding. My understanding is that regardless of whether a fighter slips, tangles, flies by an act of God... If a punch touches a fighter and the fighter falls the punch caused the knockdown. In that sequence it is obvious Ortiz got hit with a jab, so... a ref would have to assume the punch caused the knockdown. Is that correct? or does the ref have the discetion to say the punch even though it landed clean and the fighter fell, was caused by a slip? Either way that punch IMO caused the fall. But I don't know if one could call that a 10-8 round. Thoughts? A knockdown is an 10-8 round. It's not debatable unless the fighter who scored the knockdown was thoroughly dominated outside of the knockdown.

He was 1 round up on all scorecards. The truth of the matter is we don't know what was going to happen. Let's not act like the first 4 or so rounds were all Ortiz. He was dictating the pace but neither was landing anything really outside of jabs. Judges split those rounds up if i'm not mistaken. I had Ortiz up though myself Pretty much this. I had Ortiz slightly ahead but it was close. I'm not buying this nonsense that Ortiz was outboxing and dominating Wilder the whole fight outside of the knockdowns. There were a lot of rounds that could go either way.

Been telling people this for a while, the US is.probably the most corrupt place for boxing now. Always makes me laugh when the yanks start saying about UK hometown decisions , some of the ones they've churned out over the years have been atrocious and they are getting worse. not only for boxing... its corrupt on every level

they most certainly were.... I had Ortiz up but knew what would eventually happen when he got tired....

I think Ortiz was clearly up 7-2 (minus a point for the KD). Wilder needed a knockout and got it. I had it 6-3 Ortiz but could easily see it 7-2. Also I would have scored the 7th as a 10-8 round. and who do you think haymonwanted to win between his "two" fighters........... exactly wilder so dont try to split hairs and look smart because you just end up looking stupid and shows you dksab lol exactly

ortiz is a haymon fighter and who do you think haymonwanted to win between his "two" fighters........... exactly wilder so dont try to split hairs and look smart because you just end up looking stupid and shows you dksab

I've watched the fight again and man, Wilder really outboxed Ortiz. On top of landing more, he landed way more jabs, kept distance very well and countered well. In fact, all times that Ortiz went down it started with counters. His small steps didn't let Ortiz find his range and he was ducking preemptively after most big rights, what inabled Ortiz to counter them. To top it off, he adjusted to the right hook that hurt him and blocked it afterwards One thing I've noticed aswell is it looked like Ortiz was controlling and Wilder was giving ground and ending up cornered but he always ended up in a position so that Ortiz hit ropes as he tried to step right and interupted his momentum. Wilders much craftier potential than I and others originally gave him credit for.

Nope, I don't go into every fight with that attitude. Can you tell me the last time I said that about, I dunno, for example, the WBSS fights? I'll be waiting. As for robbery claims, of course it was going to be a robbery. SKy, Show, Dan Rafael and almost everyone else had Ortiz about 3 rounds up. There is no one in their right mind who had Wilder even drawing the fight, let alone a round or 2 up himself. That would mean you have to give him 3 of the first 4 rounds and almost all the latter rounds apart from the 2 in which he got battered. For all of you claiming, it isnt close when you look at the points. Why didnt Ortiz get some of these so called close rounds? What a clown you are. You're the same guy who messages me telling me that Pac fought a shot Barrera and lil boy floy fighting baldomir was better lol You tend to be overly critical of things that happen in the US. That is why you made this thread, because you saw it as Ortiz was about to be robbed, a word you use way too much. You are talking about early rounds where there was little action. Wilder had landed more punches than Ortiz, so its very possible to have the fight closer than the networks had it. I had ortiz ahead. Not having ahead doesn't equate to a robbery. You are trying to hard to fit this into your anti US agenda. That is a complete lie, I didn't PM anything like that.

There are certain posters, the TS is one of them, that often use the word robbery when it doesn't apply. This is one of those cases. To have Wilder or Ortiz up by 1 round at that point in the fight was reasonable given how the rounds played out. I had Ortiz ahead. The TS seems to go into every fight looking for a negative angle or looking to fit the fight into their agenda if the guy the like loses or the guy they don't like wins, rather than just watching the fight and evaluating what happened. Has there been bad cards in the US, yes. Have hometown guys gotten bad decisions. Yes. have there been robberies, yes. This fight isn't an indication of any of these. Nope, I don't go into every fight with that attitude. Can you tell me the last time I said that about, I dunno, for example, the WBSS fights? I'll be waiting. As for robbery claims, of course it was going to be a robbery. SKy, Show, Dan Rafael and almost everyone else had Ortiz about 3 rounds up. There is no one in their right mind who had Wilder even drawing the fight, let alone a round or 2 up himself. That would mean you have to give him 3 of the first 4 rounds and almost all the latter rounds apart from the 2 in which he got battered. For all of you claiming, it isnt close when you look at the points. Why didnt Ortiz get some of these so called close rounds? What a clown you are. You're the same guy who messages me telling me that Pac fought a shot Barrera and lil boy floy fighting baldomir was better lol

You don’t know if people take a dive for sure or judges rob you. Nothing is garantueed.

There are certain posters, the TS is one of them, that often use the word robbery when it doesn't apply. This is one of those cases. To have Wilder or Ortiz up by 1 round at that point in the fight was reasonable given how the rounds played out. I had Ortiz ahead. The TS seems to go into every fight looking for a negative angle or looking to fit the fight into their agenda if the guy the like loses or the guy they don't like wins, rather than just watching the fight and evaluating what happened. Has there been bad cards in the US, yes. Have hometown guys gotten bad decisions. Yes. have there been robberies, yes. This fight isn't an indication of any of these.

this was obvious going into the fight Wilder is a haymon fighter fighting at a haymon arena. Without a KOs the sport of boxing is ridiculously predictable when you have A side vs B side. No matter what if A side fighter has a pulse at the end of the fight he'll get the W. Whats great about the sport is one punch can irrefutably end the fight at anytime and the judges CANT stop that. Best bet for fighters is to not leave it in the judges hands I somewhat agree but nowhere is as bad as the US for the big fights. Im thinking of the big UK fights over the last 12-18 months, maybe even longer and cant think of one where the judging was this bad. Yet EVERY in a similar time period has had the same problem. The state commission at the very least, have to do something about it.

this was obvious going into the fight Wilder is a haymon fighter fighting at a haymon arena. ortiz is a haymon fighter

this was obvious going into the fight Wilder is a haymon fighter fighting at a haymon arena. Without a KOs the sport of boxing is ridiculously predictable when you have A side vs B side. No matter what if A side fighter has a pulse at the end of the fight he'll get the W. Whats great about the sport is one punch can irrefutably end the fight at anytime and the judges CANT stop that. Best bet for fighters is to not leave it in the judges hands

He was 1 round up on all scorecards. The truth of the matter is we don't know what was going to happen. Let's not act like the first 4 or so rounds were all Ortiz. He was dictating the pace but neither was landing anything really outside of jabs. Judges split those rounds up if i'm not mistaken. I had Ortiz up though myself I scored all the first 4 to Ortiz. I can see one to Wilder (cant remember which one) but it was close. Any more than that is a stretch. I had Ortiz winning 86-83. With that one round swinging, 85-84. Finding another round for Wilder is very tricky. He was getting outboxed for much of the fight.

It's pretty obvious that Wilder would never lose on the cards. There's too much money in a Joshua-Wilder fight to let someone like Ortiz spoil it. Wilder & his team want a cash out.