I'm a Ward fan, but I can't agree with this. Golovkin was game until the final bell, and won the 12th on a judge's card. I thought Alvarez won, but I didn't see him "break" anyone.
What Khabib did was wrong, but I completely understand where he was coming from. All of the business crap about being unprofessional and hurting the brand doesn't mean much when you're seeing red. McGregor's antics were highly unprofessional and disrespectful, and Khabib clearly wanted to pay it all back, considering that McGregor pretty much got a slap on the wrist. The match wasn't good enough. Didn't get to beat him down and embarrass him enough. His team clearly felt the same way lol
He was always going to go over there eventually. Whether he becomes a big star there remains to be seen but now is a great time to do it and Miller is a good choice. Im not interested in any "but he didnt want to face Wilder there" nonsense cuz he was offering a guaranteed 2nd fight in America. A side wants home advantage 1st thats the norm.
Why does home advantage suddenly not matter then? When $50M was on the line, home court was so important that Hearn admitted they wanted it even though the fight would make more money in America. Now he's going to America anyway, to fight for way less money, against a guy nobody was asking him to fight, when that guy would've gone anywhere at anytime instructed for the opportunity. It's not really "nonsense" to point that out IMO, but to each his own.
You have got to let go of that 50 million offer like it means anything. Wilder sent the offer and then Finkel refused to do his job. Finkel refused to show Hearn any of the terms then refused to talk to him any more.
But even if it was real Joshua and Hearn decided to take this one in the UK which is something A sides been doing for a long long time and the B side accepting its just the way it is. And judging by the money and numbers done at the Wilder Fury fight im not so sure it does make more money in America.
https://www.boxingscene.com/joshua-hearn-stand-firm-wilder-fight-uk--128489
"While Joshua was initially skeptical of the high offer, Hearn confirmed that it's legitimate and the money is there. Even with $50 million on the table, Joshua is willing to make less money in order to face Wilder in the UK."
https://twitter.com/BarryHearn/status/1069158366876971009
Nobody is giving up on the truth but Joshua fans, who attempt to rewrite history on these boards day after day. When it's not the $50M issue, there's the "he's signed to DAZN" excuse, or something about being the "A-side" (even though Wilder's PPV debut pulled in more PPV revenue than Joshua's last 2 PPV's). Like I said, it's not "nonsense" to point that out IMO, but to each his own. It's just exhausting having you guys deflect so much.
I think the poster is misinformed. It’s not that he is broke it’s that he isn’t a big draw. Plus he has acts like a ******. AJ has a chill personality. I was surprised to see him on the list. I think it’s funny how they stated he unseated Mayweather. Technically yes but if Floyd fought once he would easily be on top
If he's not, then who the hell is? Are there 9 other guys in the sport drawing his crowds or earning his purses? The idea that a guy who made $30M on 2 fights isn't a draw is a bit nonsensical.
I remember when they said Whyte and Fury made more money than Wilder lmao. Even though Whyte was only paid 1M for the Parker fight. Those UK boys sure like to make it seem like they are bigger than what they really are. Fury lost all his fake followers and didn’t even make Forbes list.
He’s an unknown dosser
They were saying that Fury's fight with Wilder (in Las Vegas) only did well because of him, but that's a casual for you). When the truth comes out, they'll just lie about something else.
So if the story doesn’t fit your agenda, it’s fake news? Bad news douche bag, Forbes totally respected world wide.
Doesn't mean they aren't wrong from time to time. It's also not an agenda to say that incorrect information is incorrect.
He is being paid not by the seats his fights fill. Look st GGG. He is getting paid $20 mil to fight bums regardless of the turnout
So you think that he would get guarantees that high without being able to draw large enough crowds to cover his purse? That's a losing deal for everyone who manages him, so I personally can't see that happening, unless I have to also believe that Finkel/Haymon both don't know how money works. Wilder's PPV debut sold $24M in PPV alone, and his dance partner was a UK guy who had been retired for over 2 years. He's not drawing like Joshua, but he's a bona fide star in the sport. You have to REALLY dislike him if you're unable to admit that. Seriously, $30.5M in 2 fights = star lol
Hatton forgot that prizefighters fight for the PRIZE. Any fighter offered a 9-figure payday is going to take it, and would justify it regardless of how ridiculous it is.
Its quite funny seeing people cling on to this 50 million offer story. Joshua didnt demand it it was plucked out of an interview about Wilders view on the worth of the fight. But they offered it, Joshua said lets roll, Hearn asked to see some details of the contract and finkel said NO i wont tell you any details of the contract and you have 24 hours to accept this offer or it is off the table. Hearn then asked to meet with Finkel in Finkels own office to discuss this or any offers or deals and Finkel again said NO, discussions would NOT be productive.
Only a whole month later did we get a couple of people claiming to of seen this contract, Frank Warren putting his foot right in it by confirming they were looking to source the money from BT Sport. No wonder they didnt want Hearn to see that contract. If there even was one at that point in time, but if there was why wouldnt you show the 1 guy in the world who really needs to see this contract for that fight to ever get made?
Dont forget Wilder and Finkel kicked off about a contract that was missing a date and venue even though everybody else, including those who preferred to play dumb knew exactly when and exactly where. But they wanted Hearn and Joshua to accept a contract without seeing as single word of that contract.
But he said he would in an interview tho, its proof tho, SHUT UP. Joshua isnt 10, this is business and thats not how any Pro Boxer does business.
Hearn confirmed that Wilder's team had the money, and then said that they still preferred to make less money to have the fight at Wembley. Duck.
Lolx.... It's a fact well known by all. These guys are high pretenders. I don't take them serious.
So Fury is a star now? 3 years out of the ring, expected to be a bum, most media saying the fight would be a farce, etc. Fight sells better than Joshua's last fight, and all of a sudden Fury carried Wilder's sales lol but apparently it's the Wilder guys pretending.
Hahahahaha....... Where is your prove?
Do your calculations let's see.
325K buys for Wilder-Fury at $79.99 is about $26M in PPV revenue.
1.1M buys for Joshua-Povetkin at $19.99 is about $22M
Beating a bona fide star with your debut must be nice, especially when that guy did everything possible to low ball you and hold up a fight.
I doubt Wilder cares at this point. His rematch with Fury stands to do the same numbers as the first fight at worst, so Wilder has a hassle free legit payday in the bank. He also showed with his PPV debut that he can make as much money as Joshua, so he doesn't have to entertain Hearn's lowballs anymore. 50-50 isn't unreasonable anymore IMO.
Cmon I was supporting Wilder when ll you Americans were supporting Seth Mitchell. You left Deontay to rot in Alabama. I was there for my brother. It so happens I have another brother to support that is closer to home.
I actually wanted Wilder to win against Fury as I thought Fury was a gimmick and just lucky against Klitschko. He totally won me over and I thought he beat Deontay.
If Deontay was the multimillion dollar draw for years as you claim why is that not paid like that. Why does he not have one commercial partner compared to Joshua that has 13. 5 of them being from the United States.
Earning a career high 3 million until his 41st fight then lo and behold his 41st fight he earns 10 million plus and stars in his first PPV and you want to convince me it’s because of him?
If Wilder decides to not fight Fury or Joshua he goes back to making 3.5 million a fight. That’s the brutal truth. Granted he should be a superstar but he is not. You know why and so do I but I can not give credit for something he hasn’t achieved.
Why is he not paid like that? How many fighters do you think are earning salaries as high as his? Wilder is one of maybe 3 guys making those types of figures.
Why is the PPV buy rate not because of Wilder, when his dance partner was a European who had been out for 3 years, and before the fight with Wilder, had next to no American exposure? It's acceptable to assume that the NON-DOMESTIC fighter brought more in? You guys said the same thing about Mayweather-Hatton, and Mayweather was absolutely a star. Sure it's not just bias?
Dance partners always matter in fights. Even Mayweather only did about 350K buys with Berto. That said, Wilder grossed more in his debut than Joshua in his last fight, with a largely unknown (to the US) and assumed washed up fighter in Fury. You can give credit to that, but you don't want to because you're listening to a narrative. And you can assume what you want of Wilder, but you're only as good as your last fight, and his last fight sold more than Joshua's lol
And $3.5M for a fight in any division is a hell of a lot of money, and generally means you're a star and a draw if you're attracting enough people to get paid that much.
Fair enough. You will like my last post I went at Wilder’s neck but I didn’t really mean I just wanted the really emotional fan boys to come out and play.
Thanks for a grown up discussion. As you see with the other guy I'm chatting with, we're not all mature lol
Happy trolling :)
EDIT: Your post concerning Wilder's ability and actions outside the ring is actually correct (Wilder is an awful boxer, but c'mon he's fun to watch), but like you, I don't care. I just want good boxing, so what boxers do in their personal lives doesn't concern me. I'm there to put things into perspective for my children, so they don't grow up retarded.
I had it 114-112 Fury. Cheers.
Yes Tyson Fury
It's pretty sad that you guys can't give Wilder credit for anything. The guy has been a multimillion dollar draw for years now, but the head case who'd been out of action for 3 years was the A-side here? Geez.
Go back to school and multiply that figure by $25.
Am waiting for you.
Boxing Scene already ran an article noting that Wilder-Fury outsold Whyte-Chisora, and Joshua-Povetkin. Arguing with me and getting your little cheap shots in will not change reality. Why does it hurt so bad anyway?
You go on and on about how Wilder fought for so long on TV. Did you ever consider that that long term exposure is why the fight sold well? If a guy that the US does not know, who's been in rehab centers for the last 3 years carried the fight, and Wilder is the bum who people will only watch for free, then how do we get 325K buys at $80 a pop? Who cares enough to spend that money on an unknown and another who's not worth it? I know you're trying to troll, so I guess...
TL;DR troll better?
Damn!! So if Wilder won against Fury and added the lineal title 60-40 Wilder,you would probably be campaigning for?
No, but if he does better numbers in his rematch with Fury, then you can't argue that he doesn't deserve 50-50. He sold more in PPV than Joshua-Povetkin in his debut. That has to count for something.
Lolx..... Fighting in front of fire fighters gifted with free tickets. Are you this dumb?
Gifted with free tickets and still sold better than Joshua-Povetkin lol
Interesting fight for sure, but I don't think Jacobs has the tank to go 12 rounds with Alvarez. He does have the power and skill to end things early though, and Alvarez tends to not look great against guys who move and counter well.
Alvarez however seems to be the more skilled fighter IMO, and has improved quite a bit, if Golovkin 2 was any indication. I see him winning a comfortable decision.
Davis is good, but he's nowhere near as proven as Lomachenko at this point. With Rigondeaux and Linares on his record, I have no real reason to believe that Davis could beat him. Lomachenko moves all night long, throws hard and awkward, and has what looks like an amazing engine. And now we know that he can beat up men much larger than he is.
I'd prefer for Davis to develop himself a bit more, but Mayweather seems to fancy the fight now, so who knows. If he takes it now though, I see him being embarrassed.
Joshua legitimately does not need Wilder to earn $20M+ a fight, and Wilder is making nowhere near that. Mayweather and Pacquiao at least had comparable numbers, and even though Mayweather ended up being more lucrative down the stretch, Pacquiao's name and following undoubtedly played a major role in the success of the event. I don't believe that Wilder has that type of star power. It's also worth noting that with Mayweather and De La Hoya, Mayweather was smart enough to take the lower percentage, because the opportunity itself was a good enough payoff, as we've no doubt seen.
Like Mayweather, I'm expecting Wilder to win, but he has to understand that his bargaining power is low. 1 belt, and baby numbers compared to unified financial powerhouse Joshua. If any other heavyweight gets hot, Joshua could take that fight for easy money, and do this dance with Wilder for years. Wilder might as well take the 60-40 or whatever for the chance to become the man. IMO he's not in a position to do otherwise.
I think a better question would be to ask how Pacquiao would fair against these guys at the time that Mayweather fought them. I believe this because there are people that Pacquiao lost to at certain stages in his career that Mayweather would have NEVER lost to. Prime Manny Pacquiao beats most fighters in history that are in or near his class, so asking how a 130 Castillo would do against a 147 Pacquiao feels disingenuous.
To actually answer the question though, he should brutally deal with everyone not named Alvarez or Castillo. Castillo was able to keep up with Mayweather's elusiveness, and was beyond battle tested. Pretty sure that the best version of his chin would have stood up to a baseball bat. With Alvarez, you get a mover with very fast hands, astute counterpunching, active upper body movement, good gas tank, and massive size and power advantages. Pacquiao in his prime was nowhere near the boxer he is now, and was actually much easier to hit. If Marquez could find him consistently, I don't see Alvarez having much problem either. Just my opinion.