Comments Thread For: Hearn Shoots Down, Rejects Tyson Fury's 'Lineal Title' Claim

Lolx.... This laughable. Explain please

Yes, I know...patronising. So, the Lineal title's 'motto' is 'The Man that beat the Man'. Klitschko did NOT do this when he 'won' the Lineal title. Fine, ok...he was 'Awarded' the 'titles', which is the same thing. award VERB give or order the giving of (something) as an official payment, compensation, or prize to (someone). Note that it clearly says 'give' and 'giving' in the definition :rofl: The Ring and Lineal titles are not from governing bodies that sanction bouts, they are a supplemental belt and/or title that is given to the winner in order to promote the fighters status, on top of the sanctioning bodies titles. Do you disagree? He was given the Ring and Lineal titles. The "man" Lennox Lewis legitimately retired, so the title is then bestowed to the winner of the 1 & 2 contenders for the title, which Klit & Chagaev were considered. Klit won and therefore was the man. He earned it.

I don't even know where to start with this but lets go with... Tyson Fury won the 'Lineal Title' from a man who didn't beat the man who held it before. Joshua didn't get the titles out of a cereal box. He beat the current holders to unify. It's Fury's loss and fault that he wasn't the man in the ring when Joshua won. There may have been a fantasy based argument that Martin or Parker were babysitting Fury's titles considering how they won them but they lost them. I don't own my old house just because I've moved to a bigger and better one. That house now belongs to someone else because I decided to move on. Fury did the same with his titles when he had them. Terrible analogy. It'd only make sense if someone stripped your house from you and give it to someone else. Let's be fair, the IBF stripped Fury before all that stuff even happened because he couldn't face a mandatory due to a rematch clause with Wlad. The IBF are Hearn's boys, that's why all his champs used to get IBF title shots. They couldn't wait to strip Fury of that belt, knowing some bum could pick it up and sell it to AJ. It was all done by design. You can say what you want about the other belts, but Fury was getting unfairly stripped of the IBF within about a week or two of beating Wlad. Actually, they had no right to strip him because the rematch clause technically hadn't been triggered when they said they would. The IBF and Hearn stole Fury's belt with a plan to get it in AJ's hands.

Another mayweather/pacquiao situtation and everyone is falling for it AGAIN. This is a textbook long con and we're the marks. I'll still be in attendance when this fight happens 3 or 4yrs from now getting fleeced for my hard earned dollars like everyone else. The difference is that guys like Floyd were great fighters that stayed excellent. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Wilder and AJ are not at the top of the HW game in 3 or 4 years, depending on how the division unfolds and who comes though. I don't think either are that good where i'd be confident they will still be on top in 4 years time.

Look, I agree with what you are saying, you can't relinquish the lineal title. Yes, Tyson Fury is the "Lineal Champion". FACT. BUT the Lineage slogan/motto/whatever is 'the man that beat the man'. Tyson Fury won the Lineage from the man who didn't beat the man. Klitschko was given the Lineal title. So its not a real title when it can be given out and not earned. Klitschko was not "given" the lineal title. He won the Ring & lineal titles when he beat Chagaev, who was considered the no.1 contender. Lennox Lewis retired legitimately, leaving the title vacant. YDKSAB. There's no rule saying they can't be stripped. Fury did technically retire and was also banned for PEDs. All the sites that track lineal don't have Fury as lineal champ. Who has ever been stripped of the lineal title other than Muhammad Ali, who was forced to retire for 4 years? I mean, Fury retired & unretired the same day, you really count that as a retirement? Then he said he was retiring again, but started plotting a return to the ring. just a few months later. Mind you all of this took place on Twitter. That's not a real retirement man, come on. So yes, he relinquished all his alphabet belts and momentarily "retired" over Twitter, but never really stopped being considered an active fighter and was always staging comeback fights even when he was like 300lbs.

Yes it does, for exactly the reasons you've given. Fury v Joshua (1 v 2) gives us a lineal champ and takes any debate regarding Fury's "retirement" out of the equation. Just as you believe Klitschko v Povetkin did, which took any doubt about Klitschko winning it against Chagaev out of the equation. Two totally different things. In the Klitschko case, a new lineage needed to be started by #1 and #2 after Lewis retired. Chagaev was rated #3 after Vitali. Povetkin was #2 when Vitali retired. Minor detail... whats going on with this guy hearn???? fury is the lineal champ why is this even a debate? In the Fury case, Joshua fans desperately want Joshua to "seen" as the best, so they refuse to acknowledge that Fury is the lineal champion until Joshua fights him. But it's not working. Fury is back and is still referred to as the LINEAL CHAMPION, the head of the division. No matter how many media sources they change, like the RING and, just recently, Wikipedia.

fury is the lineal champ why is this even a debate?

whats going on with this guy hearn????

Yes it does, for exactly the reasons you've given. Fury v Joshua (1 v 2) gives us a lineal champ and takes any debate regarding Fury's "retirement" out of the equation. Just as you believe Klitschko v Povetkin did, which took any doubt about Klitschko winning it against Chagaev out of the equation.

Whether Fury is the lineal champ can be up for debate. What can't be debated is that he has the best claim to it right now. Fighting Joshua (1v2) makes it an undisputed claim. No it doesn't. Because there is nothing "undisputed" about it. You either beat Fury or he retires for good. That's it. "Undisputed" is owning all the beats like Mike Tyson and Lennox Lewis did. "Lineal" is beating the lineal champion like Ali-LeonSpinks-Ali-Holmes-MichaelSpinks-Tyson-Douglas-Holyfield-Bowe-Holyfield-Moorer-Foreman-Briggs-Lewis-Rahman-Lewis did. Lennox Lewis was lineal champion TWICE before beating Holyfield to become undisputed. Klitschko started a new line after Lewis retired, beating #2 Povetkin. Fury beat Klitschko... Simple.

Whether Fury is the lineal champ can be up for debate. What can't be debated is that he has the best claim to it right now. Fighting Joshua (1v2) makes it an undisputed claim.

he does is talking in the ring LOL you must get paid a lot for being his cheerleader and put down those pom-poms,, you always steer away from facts,, AJ has Daddy Hearn do all this talking while he sits there like a quiet little lad Lol... what facts am I steering away from? The loudest in the room is not always the baddest in the room. The only fact that you should concern yourself is that if justice was served you would have been campaigning for the last 2 years on a guy that has no belt the minute he stepped up and was embarrassed by a no puncher. I were you I would keep my mouth closed. What do you have to be confident about? You are relieved Wilder still has his belt? As I said Joshua does his talking in the ring. Is he not unified Champion? Fact . Was he not Olympic champion?. You are weird. Start focusing on facts yourself instead of what comes out a promoters mouth

Fury did retire. He failed a piss test. Pulled out of a rematch with Wlad. He was unable to fight for 2 years due to being 400lbs. I understand hating Hearn and all. To be lineal champ you gotta be fighting at least once a year fighting top competition. Dude, apparently you DKSAB You can't be stripped of the lineal title. It is literally "the man who beat the man" title. Fury didn't retire. He "retired". He was 26 years old and just didn't fight for like a year. In the meanwhile, there was nobody else who claimed the title, therefore the man who was the last man to "beat the man" remains the lineal champion. This isn't like the WBC or something, lol.

Of course it's subject to debate at certain points in time. It's proven by the fact that you've just provided a completely different answer to how Wlad became the lineal champ than others have. Others say it was when he beat Chagaev. Some claim we need an undisputed champion to restart the line. And if it doesn't involve ratings, how do you get a concensus 1 and 2? We all disagree on our 1/2/3 don't we? My view is, I don't care whether Fury has it or not. It's about as tainted as the unbeaten records of fighters who fought tomato cans for the vast majority of their career. For it to have any credibility in the history books, we need a dominant fighter. So make the fights we want to see! I see your point. During the Klitschko brothers reign, they were essentially #1 and #2. When Vitali lost to Lewis and Lewis retired, the Klitschko brothers refused to fight each other so the title was vacant. Then the Ring magazine muddied the waters diverging from the lineage, claiming that the winner of Wladimir and the consensus #3 Ruslan Chagaev would be for the RING and lineal championship, even though Vitali was still the WBC champion. When Vitali retired, and Wladimir beat the consensus #2 heavyweight Povetkin, the RING and lineal titles were finally aligned. Now we have the Fury lineage. When he refused to rematch Klitschko and Joshua strategically avoided Wilder to unify the titles, politics re-entered the lineage claim. Especially when Fury decided to step up and face Wilder. Suddenly, there was concerted effort to discredit Fury and declare the lineal title vacant or "vacated" so that if Wilder beat Fury, Wilder would be denied the lineal title. After the draw, RING demoted Wilder and Fury was made #2 so that if Fury now decides to fight Joshua, the winner is the RING and lineal champion. If he rematches Wilder, they will keep the RING and lineal titles vacant and "vacated". Politics... But boxing purists know the simple truth when you take politics out of it. Anybody who beats Fury IS the lineal champion, be it Seferi, Pianeta, Wilder or Joshua. And he's the top dog of the division. Doesn't matter if he's dominant, he's part of the 133 year lineage regardless.

I only hear the Queen talk once a year, at Christmas. She's still the Queen though. You must be insinuating that AJ is the king that's why he's sitting there with his mouth shut,, this is heavyweight world championship boxing not tea-time with Fkn the queen

He does his talking in the ring not by creating an alter ego and blaming him when he says some stupid s#hit. For example I want a body on my record. When Wilder was questioned on his words he blamed the Bronze bomber. That’s some funny s#hit there you Americans are creative he does is talking in the ring LOL you must get paid a lot for being his cheerleader and put down those pom-poms,, you always steer away from facts,, AJ has Daddy Hearn do all this talking while he sits there like a quiet little lad

Exactly, he's the lineal champ until somebody beats him or he retires and the 1 & 2 best fighters in the division fight each other. Fury did retire. He failed a piss test. Pulled out of a rematch with Wlad. He was unable to fight for 2 years due to being 400lbs. I understand hating Hearn and all. To be lineal champ you gotta be fighting at least once a year fighting top competition.

I wouldnt say its a nightmare, but its common knowledge he lost 2 fights at the olympics and cheated his way to a gold medal. Paper champ got his paper medal. You still very pained unfortunately there is nothing you can do about it. The unified champ won his title fair and square. It's not like some champ that was giving a gift after loosing to a rehab patient.

Truth. Lineal title is the only title. Fůck the alphabets! Lolx.... This laughable.