Who ranks higher p4p of all time Bhop, Roy Jones or Pacquiao?

Manny Hopkins Roy Thought I think i’ve already commented to this post a long time ago and explained my answer.

Jones, Pacquiao, Hopkins for me. Jones was unstoppable, and has the achievements to back it up. Used to literally box circles around guys.

pac or roy pac has more accomplishments and better resume than roy but roys peak is arguably the best of all time

That fight made Hopkins look like he was almost as shot as Jones. He fought so scared and dirty. That was a horrible, horrible fight. Agreed. He beat ancient Jones but it was terrible. He literally did nothing of note except whine and fake like he was being illegally hit like when he conned himself out of a possible stoppage loss vs. Calzaghe.

Roy accepted the fight for obvious reasons and yeah, in 2010 it didn't matter whatsoever. And lol @ Hopkins feinting injury in that fight too to get an edge against a shot to sh@t Jones. Hopkins is an overrated, racist cheater. Imagine if GGG came out right now and said that he'd never lose to a black man. People would call him a Nazi and never watch another one of his fights again. Those are facts. Stop lying to yourself. That fight made Hopkins look like he was almost as shot as Jones. He fought so scared and dirty. That was a horrible, horrible fight.

which was a few months after he fought Ruiz. So he's an all time great for beating a sack of **** like Ruiz and 6 or 7 months later he's washed up. Do you know how silly that sounds when you actually examine what's being said? Roy was the favorite in both fights against tarver. The 3rd time he obviously wasn't the favorite. Ruiz at the time was considered a good fighter and had a world title. Nobody said he was an all time great but he had quality wins and was way bigger than Roy. Roy was a Jr. MW at one point. Let that sink in. Of course Roy was the favorite to beat Tarver you twit! But it was clear in the first fight how he couldn't let his hands go like he used to. And you think it's just me that calls Roy an all time great? GTFOH with your weak a55 boxing knowledge. :newbie:

What have hopkins done that's "racist". And talking about white people isn't racist. Prejudice yeah, racist no. Racism is a systematic power structure. And if GGG came out right now and said, "I'd never lose to a black man" that wouldn't make him a racist either. Him using his clout at a unified champ not to give any black fighters a title shot and persuading the organizations to keep giving him passes to avoid black fighters, and he hasn't done this, would be racism. Learn the difference between the 2. You've never in your life seen a black person systematically hold anyone white back from doing anything. Yeah, Hopkins is a racist. And if GGG said that he'd never be beaten by a black man, he would be considered a racist as well. It's a double std. though because if GGG said it, he would never have another opportunity in the business again such as being a commentator for HBO and others. That's the way that the world works now. :thumbsdow

So you didn't watch the first Tarver fight I take it? Roy was no longer superman in that fight and I saw it right away. Hos reflexes we're super human like before. Roys prime ended after the Ruiz fight in my opinion and the eye test holds up. which was a few months after he fought Ruiz. So he's an all time great for beating a sack of **** like Ruiz and 6 or 7 months later he's washed up. Do you know how silly that sounds when you actually examine what's being said? Roy was the favorite in both fights against tarver. The 3rd time he obviously wasn't the favorite.

Roy accepted the fight for obvious reasons and yeah, in 210 it didn't matter whatsoever. And lol @ Hopkins feinting injury in that fight too to get an edge against a shot to sh@t Jones. Hopkins is an overrated, racist cheater. Imagine if GGG came out right now and said that he'd never lose to a black man. People would call him a Nazi and never watch another one of his fights again. Those are facts. Stop lying to yourself. What have hopkins done that's "racist". And talking about white people isn't racist. Prejudice yeah, racist no. Racism is a systematic power structure. And if GGG came out right now and said, "I'd never lose to a black man" that wouldn't make him a racist either. Him using his clout at a unified champ not to give any black fighters a title shot and persuading the organizations to keep giving him passes to avoid black fighters, and he hasn't done this, would be racism. Learn the difference between the 2. You've never in your life seen a black person systematically hold anyone white back from doing anything.

Manny distant first its an argument between bhop and roy:boxing:

Pacquiao (by a sizable margin in my opinion) Hopkins (Tito KO was iconic, plus his longevity all the way up 50 is downright remarkable) Roy (I considered Bhop green when Roy got to him, but Toney was an impressive win. Although testing positive diminishes his accomplishments in my eyes) Hopkins was older and had more fights than Roy at the time but he was green? Nobody mentions that it was also Roys first world title fight as well. I can accept Manny being ranked over Jones, but not Hopkins. After all, Jones easily beat Hops when it mattered. the 2010 rematch was pointless and made no money and had no interest after Roy was ko'd by Danny Green.

well how come he wasn't screaming "60-40 I'll whoop yo azz" in 2010 when he accepted the rematch? oh I know at that time Roy was a punchline joke in the sports world and couldn't care less about his resume or reputation. Roy accepted the fight for obvious reasons and yeah, in 2010 it didn't matter whatsoever. And lol @ Hopkins feinting injury in that fight too to get an edge against a shot to sh@t Jones. Hopkins is an overrated, racist cheater. Imagine if GGG came out right now and said that he'd never lose to a black man. People would call him a Nazi and never watch another one of his fights again. Those are facts. Stop lying to yourself.

The last time Roy had been hit flush and hard by an opponent before the Tarver fights was in 97 by Montell Griffin in the first fight. The Del Valle punch didn't look as hard, but obviously it was enough to knock him down and daze him, but Griffin in the first fight was hitting roy flush with that left hook counter. He couldn't miss. And Roy was pfp the #1 fighter in the world above all competition. There was even talk of him fighting Lewis and Tyson but when Tarver, who had been chasing him for years, knocks him out, he was "old". He had been in absolutely no wars whatsoever prior to his first fight with Tarver. That was the first war he had ever been in lol. So it's not like he had his career beat out of him. he just never had a chin and he cherry picked for a large part of his career. And that leads me to believe that he was getting ko'd in sparring and didn't believe in himself during his career. We don't know So you didn't watch the first Tarver fight I take it? Roy was no longer superman in that fight and I saw it right away. Hos reflexes we're super human like before. Roys prime ended after the Ruiz fight in my opinion and the eye test holds up.

James Toney looked exactly the same against Roy as he did in any other fight. People have this idea that he was some unstoppable killer that walked drained into that fight and it was some kind of anomaly. I get it, I used to be under the same impression. Toney is one of those guys who has a mythological reputation completely contradictory to his actual in-ring results. That was the exact same James Toney as always. Roy was just better than the other types of fighters who gave Toney trouble or arguably beat him before that.

Jones/Pacquiao Hopkins. Bernard's resume is incredibly overrated imho.

Toney didn't say it. the article I gave you was from NY Daily News. you do know reporters are present during boxing weigh ins and fights then write articles right ? in fact I've never heard Toney himself say anything about an IV so where are you getting this nonsense of "let's take it as true because Toney said it." I never said "Toney said it" you said that.. I gave you an article of a reporter saying it and he wasn't quoting JT. You said he was "always weak". Meaning that his drainage and weakness during the Jones fight was the norm in his career. ok then. prove to me what other fight did JT had to lose 20lbs with four days to go before the weigh in... still waitin :popcorn: "It's the same excuse he used for all of his piss poor performances at 160".. more diarrhea. how many "piss poor performances" did JT have at 160? do you provide links/sources for anything you say? Your point here is what JT endured during training camp for Jones was the norm for him so its no big deal.. Im asking you to name me any other fight where he had to shed 20lbs in a week. if you can't do it just say it.. You're still stuck on the fainting but I proved the IV yet you reply with "let's assume it's true". You digging yourself in a hole. 1. How many "piss poor performances" did JT have at 160? 2. What other fight did he have to shed 20lbs a week before weigh in? oh yeah .. Hopkins > Roid Then who was it who said it in that article? Genuine question. And, how do you know it was the only time he used an IV? Why won't you answer that? It was the norm. Or atleast that was the normal excuse. What piss poor performances? Erm, Williams, Sosa, Tiberi, Johnson ring any bells? Pretty much all of those were blamed on weight. Like I said it would be easier to find a fight where he didn't have to lose massive amounts of weight as opposed to when he did. Pick one, he lost loads of weight for all of them. http://www.thesweetscience.com/feature-articles/21996-the-toney-tiberi-fight-and-what-it-wrought There you go. Direct quote from Jackie Kallen in 1991; "James always had a problem making weight. So some of the tactics used to get down weakened him. James didn't lose the weight in a healthy manner and he paid the price for that" Is this news to you? That James Toney always killed himself to make weight? He probably had to lose MORE weight when he was at 160 than when he fought Roy Jones. Are you going to support your claim he nearly fainted at the weigh in or not?

What's the evidence? That Toney said it? You know that him saying it isn't evidence right? Let's just take it as true because Toney said it, cool, how do you know he didn't use an IV for his other fights? What are you saying here? That Toney didn't kill himself to make weight for all of his fights back then? He always rehydrated into 180+. Are you denying that? I can't believe you are asking me to find a fight where Toney had shed a large amount of weight :lol1: You really don't know of his career do you? It would be easier to find one where he didn't. He was known for cutting massive amounts of weight and piling it back on. It's the same excuse he used for all of his piss poor performances at 160 conveniently. You haven't answered them. Literally, you haven't. You made a claim that he nearly fainted at the weigh in. I am genuinely interested about that as I have never heard that before in my life. Do you have anything to support it or did you pull it out of thin air? Toney didn't say it. the article I gave you was from NY Daily News. you do know reporters are present during boxing weigh ins and fights then write articles right ? in fact I've never heard Toney himself say anything about an IV so where are you getting this nonsense of "let's take it as true because Toney said it." I never said "Toney said it" you said that.. I gave you an article of a reporter saying it and he wasn't quoting JT. You said he was "always weak". Meaning that his drainage and weakness during the Jones fight was the norm in his career. ok then. prove to me what other fight did JT had to lose 20lbs with four days to go before the weigh in... still waitin :popcorn: "It's the same excuse he used for all of his piss poor performances at 160".. more diarrhea. how many "piss poor performances" did JT have at 160? do you provide links/sources for anything you say? Your point here is what JT endured during training camp for Jones was the norm for him so its no big deal.. Im asking you to name me any other fight where he had to shed 20lbs in a week. if you can't do it just say it.. You're still stuck on the fainting but I proved the IV yet you reply with "let's assume it's true". You digging yourself in a hole. 1. How many "piss poor performances" did JT have at 160? 2. What other fight did he have to shed 20lbs a week before weigh in? oh yeah .. Hopkins > Roid

"Let's assume it's true" there you go again. I provided you with links to prove JT was on an IV. there's no need to "assume" anything. so if me providing evidence is not enough theres nothing else left to do. you keep asking for evidence to support he almost fainted yet you're still denying the IV altogether. dont know if trolling or stupid. which one. Using your brain dead logic DLH wasn't hooked up to an IV vs Pacquiao either since there's no pictures or videos of it. this is ultimately what you want. you wanna see a video of a lethargic and weak JT on an IV. an article is not enough you wanna SEE it. well sorry man I dont have footage of it. go rewatch the fight itself. just the introductions. that's all they really talked about is Toney's weight and how drained he was. If youre still in denial of the IV stop asking for further proof of anything since your mind is made up. ("what's the difference between this fight and any other Toney fight?" I already answered that) (YOU said "Roy said he'd be weak because he was ALWAYS weak.") if Toney being this dehydrated and weak was the norm in his career as YOU suggested then prove to me any other fight where JT was 20 lbs overweight less than a week before the weigh in. go ahead do your homework.. find me any other fight in Toney's career where he had to shed this much weight in training camp. its your turn to provide sources and links for the diarrhea you're spewing. No links, no sources.. Don't quote or reply anymore. The difference is JT never had to shed 20lbs with less than a week before weigh in. this made him lethargic and weak which had him hooked to an IV. but since YOU say this is so common in his career. what other fight did Toney had to shed 20lbs a few days before weigh in?? I feel like i need to repeat things because you either don't read or just retarded because you keep asking me questions I already answered. if your next reply doesnt contain a link or a source to ANY other fight where JT was this overweight and drained this debate stops. I think thats fair. I proved RJ was a roid user. I proved JT was drained. You have proven nothing... Hopkins > RJJ. I'll be waiting for links and sources :popcorn: remember as you said Toney was "always weak" therefore it shouldn't be hard to prove. What's the evidence? That Toney said it? You know that him saying it isn't evidence right? Let's just take it as true because Toney said it, cool, how do you know he didn't use an IV for his other fights? What are you saying here? That Toney didn't kill himself to make weight for all of his fights back then? He always rehydrated into 180+. Are you denying that? I can't believe you are asking me to find a fight where Toney had shed a large amount of weight :lol1: You really don't know of his career do you? It would be easier to find one where he didn't. He was known for cutting massive amounts of weight and piling it back on. It's the same excuse he used for all of his piss poor performances at 160 conveniently. You haven't answered them. Literally, you haven't. You made a claim that he nearly fainted at the weigh in. I am genuinely interested about that as I have never heard that before in my life. Do you have anything to support it or did you pull it out of thin air?

This is ez. Pac is in top 10 in Atg list and u can argue top 5 wit pac . Can you say any of those guys? Except Roy, he’s tricky cuz in his prime, he was the most talented EVER. But did he live upto it?

Ok. And how did that differ from any of his other fights? We didn't go to Denny's the week of the fight then. Abrecombie and I were dating then.