no he hasn't.
- didn't fight a prime manny
- didn't fight a prime cotto
- didn't fight a prime mosley
- didn't fight margarito
- didn't fight paul williams
- didn't fight martinez or GGG at 154
- didn't fight khan
etc. etc.
floyd fought way past prime versions of his competition or avoided them completely.
manny - that is accurate but to put the blame on that solely on mayweather is incorrect. and then he beat manny handily.
cotto - he fought cotto right after cotto left top rank. manny tried for months to get a rematch with cotto while cotto was still at top rank and couldnt. mayweather made the fight in like 2 weeks after december 31st. point is, he didnt fight cotto cuz he didnt want to deal with bob arum.
mosley - mosley could have fought floyd earlier, but when he had his shot he claimed a toothache or some stupid dental work bs. that one is on mosley not floyd. plus floyd called him out since the late 90's and mosley showed no interest until he was nearer to the end of his career/when floyd could give him a bigger payday.
margarito - he fought 3 guys that beat margarito. plus margarito is a cheater so who cares.
williams - correct he should have fought williams at some point. but seeing how lara landed 5000 of the exact same punches on williams the exact same way every time, i dont think williams would have troubled floyd.
martinez and ggg - martinez he should have fought but i dont think he's supposed to fight ggg. guys wanna bring up leonard going up to middleweight but leonard is a bigger dude, he started at 140, floyd started at 130.
khan - is this a joke? khan isn't remotely near one of the best. he's not even in the top 5 at welter. and for all this talk of khan's speed...who cares? he has always been fast. it didnt stop him from getting hurt in a lot of his fights. i guarantee you it will do nothing for his legacy whether he fought and beat khan or not.
the point is a lot of times, especially in his recent fights. everyone says he's going to lose to ___________ (fill in the blank with canelo, cotto, pacquiao etc.) and he always won. before this fight most people actually thought pacquiao would win for some strange reason. but of course people forget that after he wins and says he just cherry picks even though right before the fight they were saying he'd lose.
i dont see where roy is criticizing it for being a ppv. he's saying that the match won't happen, not that he thinks it's a circus act. he's also saying ufc won't allow it to happen cuz it will hurt their brand and that mcgregor has no chance.
the title of the article has everyone up in arms but it's highly misleading.
Lol connor retired due to media obligations inagine the media sht storm he would have to deal with if he had to fight floyd
media obligations for small money compared to a mayweather fight. im sure he and everyone else in that position would have no issues with the media obligations for 1 fight if it were for the money they would get from a mayweather fight.
That's a lot of effort on your part to be wrong. Idiot keep doing your homework and analysis. LOL!
wrong about what? there's interviews everywhere of pacquiao saying he wants a clear win over marquez because the other fights were close. roach said that the 4th fight would be the final fight. then they lost and the whole team is asking for a 5th fight. it's fine if you want the 5th fight but don't put it out there like marquez owes him anything.
here's one interview for example:
http://www.boxingscene.com/video-manny-pacquiao-wants-redemption-with-ko--57305 - start at 3:00
i dont even know why you're arguing against facts here. manny said it in the video. but i guess it's easier for idiots like you to pass of your lack of knowledge as facts than to actually do some research or pay attention to stuff as it happens. or maybe you're just too dumb to remember that far back in time, it was 3 years ago in 2012 after all.
Hates to lose so much, he won't extend ONE rematch to Pacquiao who gave him 4 fights and made him a very wealthy man. Marquez knows he can't duplicate the fourth fight, and he can't pull off any kind of win over Manny. If he could, he'd take another fight for the biggest payday of his career and KO Manny again! Lol. That ain't happening.
couple things...
1 -manny agreed to the rematches because he wanted a clear win over marquez which he never had. he said this in a few interviews when asked about it.
2 - before the last fight both guys said if there was definitive conclusion then that would be the end of it. you can check all the pre-fight interviews to confirm that. for marquez i would believe him because, regardless of how much money he could make in another fight against mayweather, he didn't chase it because he knew he lost very definitively in their fight.
3 - that was as clear of a conclusion as there can possibly be.
4 - marquez probably could beat manny, especially the manny that we've seen now. but it's not going to be as crazy as that one punch ko that sent manny into next week. just because he probably won't ko manny doesnt mean he cant beat him. the two things aren't mutually tied together. that being said, manny can also win the rematch.
5 - i would like to see the 5th fight. but if manny said before the 4th fight that it would end if there's a definitive conclusion (which he did say) then i don't think marquez owes him anything. i hate when guys challenge you do to something in a do or die situation then when you succeed they start making excuses and call a mulligan to try to get you to do it again. that's a b*@($ move.
I don't know about this given the way Maidana bullied Floyd in the early rounds of their first fight. I have to assume Golovkin could do the same thing Maidana did, only his punches would hurt Floyd a lot more.
well when he said he stood and fought maidana to give fans more action people joked about it and didnt believe him. saying that he has lost his legs. he said in the rematch he could just box like he normally does and win more easily then went ahead and did it. then people said he was boring and not worth watching. im pretty sure floyd can still move if he wants to, golovkin can hurt him but im not sure if he can definitely find him. i think ggg would win but i dont think it would be a ko, something more like kovalev over hopkins but with floyd actually winning some rounds.
has there been any type of confirmation on donaire's eye yet? is it just swelled or is there structural damage to that part of his face? cuz the way it puffed up immediately and the way he was protecting it, it doesnt seem like just simple swelling around the eye.
So he can Knock him down but not hurt him? if you knock someone down doesn't that show you have the power to take them out? Or am i tripping?
knocking someone down and hurting them are two different things. there was no indication that rigo was even hurt. donaire pushed off with an elbow to rigo throat and then as rigo was being moved backwards donaire caught him with a punch that knocked him over. good job, it's a legit knockdown, but rigo wasn't hurt though. he got up before the ref even started the count and resumed control.
like if you look at williams' first knockdown on sergio, no one in the world can think that hurt sergio at all. heck i could have taken that punch and be perfectly fine. but it still counts as a knockdown, it just didnt do any damage except on the scorecards.
IMO, he's not perfect but I think he's a good guy. There's a lot of reasons apart from boxing why the poor in the Philippines love him so much.
Here's a great article from Grantland discussing how the poor see Pacquiao: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7656831/on-manny-many-prizes-manny-pacquiao-variety-show-politics-philippines
not that they're the same but...there's a reason why the poor in Columbia love Pablo Escobar so much too.
im not so sure if your assessment of the situation is correct. if you watch the fight, floyd had his gloves down because he was expecting them to touch gloves. if u watch the replay you will clearly see that after they touch gloves, floyd immediately gets his hands up and is on guard. he waits momentarily for ortiz but for some reason, instead of fighting, ortiz goes for a hug. even when he was hugging mayweather, floyd did not punch him. after the hug, ortiz should have had his guard up immediately. instead he stands there, backs off a little and leaves his hands down. thats when floyd hits him. he gave ortiz time to get his guard up but ortiz stood there like an idiot and got knocked out instead.
go watch the replay, u will see what i mean, mayweather did not punch him as he came in to touch gloves. mayweather had his hands down, they touched gloves then floyd got his guard up immediately since thats how you're supposed to fight. ortiz goes for a hug even though he can clearly see floyd has his hands up already. if you see a guys hands up, he's clearly ready to fight so take a hint and get your guard up. dont go wasting time on another hug. even when he was hugging mayweather, floyd did not try to punch him. he only punched him after the hug was over and he gave ortiz about a second to get his guard up. dude decided to stand there with his guard down instead so he got knocked out. that's what happens when you're not ready to fight.
floyd clearly told him that he was ready to fight after they touched gloves and he put his guard up. there are a few angles of this incident, find the camera that is facing floyd and you can clearly see what I mean. floyd only threw the punches after he let ortiz know he's ready to fight after they touched gloves.
also in response to your comment "waited the second they separated from the hug and hit him with a left hook and then hit him with a right hand when Ortiz was looking at the ref like "wtf ref?""
at that moment instead of looking at the ref, ortiz should get his damn hands up. dude kept his hands down the whole time, what the hell did you expect to happen. after floyd gets his hands up to show he's ready to fight, you go and hug him. then you leave your hands down and get punched in the face. even after all that you dont learn your lesson and still keep your hands down. even IF floyd was wrong (im not saying he is) for punching him, don't look at the ref, get your damn hands up and worry about the ref after. any boxer knows that, what the hell are you looking at the ref for?
what kind of a misleading article is this? the fight wasnt a "war" rigo won every round except the 7th.
the article made it sound like rigo got hurt which he didnt. it was the same thing against donaire. he got caught with a punch out of position when he was already moving backwards. if he gets knocked down and gets up perfectly fine before the ref even starts counting then he's not hurt. he got caught out of position, it happens, he should probably tighten that up though. it had nothing to do with how hard his opponent can punch. if you guys can't see that then you're blind.
stop with all this "no where does it say the ref has to do this or that" BS. a ref's job is to maintain control of the ring. if it's the fighter's responsibility to remain in control of his fists etc. then that would extend to every part of the fight in which case a ref isnt needed at all. in the event that a ref cannot maintain control, he is the one who is supposed to provide warnings and penalties. so even if it's not his job to step in between the two fighters after the bell, it's his job to dole out some sort of penalty for punching someone twice after the bell has rung. short of that, he's not supposed to be counting the other guy out. you can't count someone out if he is knocked down AFTER the bell goes. i dont care when the combo started, if the guy was on his feet when the bell rang then you can't count him out after it. you can ask doctors to check if he can continue or ask if he wants to quit but you can't count someone out. this referee did not do his job properly and it doesnt take a study of the rulebook to come to that conclusion.
Junior didn't want to fight because low PPV numbers of Manny, remember???
ONLY FLOM*S BOUGHT THAT BS OBVIOUSLY!!!
Except that he just fought him...what is your argument here?
Keys to victory for Cotto:
1) Never stop throwing punches.
2) Never show respect for Martinez at any time.
3) Force to move Martinez all over the ring to try to take advantage of his injured knee.
4) Come forward, attack from the inside and then move outside as soon as possible to avoid Martinez power.
5) To look for the right opportunity to connect his left hook to the body.
I personally think that if he is capable to connect his left hook to Martinez body that will be the end of the show. Good luck Cotto.
At least three of those keys to victory are conducive to getting cotto knocked out.
Dude dont confuse styles. Gamboa is not taller and have longer reach. Gamboa gets careless and tries tonbe flashy abril is a more composed fighter. 135 gamboa maybe yes 140 doubt it
Gamboa and abril 2 different styles
i was more referring to rios being unable to fight because he looked like he just got out of a concentration camp after failing to make weight.
and yea gamboa gets careless but when has he ever been in trouble? 3 of the 5 knockdowns were nothing, he wasnt even hurt. one of them he got elbows in the face which put him off balance. he might get knocked down more than he should but he's never hurt.
"if martinez believes i'm so mediocre and i'm not so good champion, then why does he want to fight me?"
because you and the wbc colluded to steal his belt you dumbass.
1. is what sergio said false? i dont think it is, im pretty sure no one else thinks differently either. it's a fact that top rank handles manny's matches completely. i doubt manny even wants to fight bradley. top rank said he's the opponent so manny fights him. it's not like sergio is making up lies, he may be talking smack but at least what he's saying is true.
2. sergio is already undersized and all of u tools who say he should move up in weight know this so please stop bringing it up. i dont see pacquiao moving up to 154 to fight better opponents so why does sergio have to go up to 168.
3. who honestly thinks sergio hasnt beaten some tough competition? pavlik might be washed up at the moment but he wasnt when sergio beat him. dude was the lineal champ for 3 straight years up till sergio crushed him. he may have had trouble making the weight but thats no excuse since he was holding the belt. sergio didnt force him to move down, sergio fought him in the weight class that pavlik was champion in and in the weight class where he was the lineal champion.
4. ppl that think sergio landed a lucky shot on williams are clowns. if u even bothered to watch that fight u see that he threw that same punch twice in the first round and twice in the 2nd round before he landed it. that punch was by design. erislandy lara further proved that it wasnt a lucky shot as he hit williams with it for 12 rounds straight. so please stop pretending like sergio was flailing around and managed to ko williams by fluke.
5. as for sergio not wanting to fight guys like zbik, pirog and golovkin...first, who really thinks zbik is a legit contender? if zbik is a legit match then wouldnt u rather watch sergio fight chavez considering chavez beat him? lol zbik...gimme a break u guys need to try harder. as for pirog and golovkin, who in north america knows who those 2 guys are? you think a 36 year old martinez wants to bring 2 europeans over that nobody has heard of so he can fight them and make no money? u guys need to think about the situation before speaking.
yes roger was joking but as for why he didnt mention pacquiao the simple answer is that pacquiao didn't apply to anything he was saying.
if you read the article, he's mentioning guys going up to 154. i know pacquiao fans salivate whenever the fact that he won 8 division titles is brought up but he never actually moved up or fought at 154. he fought for a vacant 154 title at a catchweight of 150. so the reason roger didnt bring up pacquiao's name is cuz pacquiao never did what roger was talking about.
that being said, what are your guys takes on pacquiao's "8th" division title. I'm asking because i dont see how it should count towards his tally. he didnt fight at that weight limit, he didnt beat the champion to win it, nor did he defend it. no doubt he won 7 titles but it's hard for me to give him that 8th one. i'll give you the fact that he was a belt holder but im not going to call him a champion in that division. and even as a belt holder, it's more like a 150 belt, not 154.
article is wrong. roach just gave an interview where he said he thinks mayweather won the fight.
either way this is delusional. you guys can hate on floyd all you want but that doesnt change the fact that manny didnt come close to winning that fight. he may have won a couple rounds but that's about it.
He beats both. Let's not go full retard here.
true story.
i know guys have a hard on to see kovalev knock him out which is the likely outcome if they fight but that doesn't mean stevenson is a scrub.
wtf is merchant saying? stevenson calling out froch and hopkins is considered a duck as if those are easy fights to win? stevenson called for froch before he moved up to light heavyweight. only reason he moved up was cuz there was no fight for him at super middleweight. froch and hopkins would be a bigger money match as well so i dont see what the problem is. i get that everyone wants to see him fight kovalev and i do too, but choosing to fight froch or hopkins instead isnt exactly ducking someone...those are tough fights to win.
and stevenson didnt say he wont fight kovalev, he actually said he'd fight kovalev or anybody if hbo put up enough money. but he wants froch or hopkins cuz those are the biggest money fights for him. cant fault him for taking more money...most fighters do.
lebron? People been hating him since he decided to play basketball for a different team......?
Kobe since he got accussed of being one of three diff semen samples in a females panties (obviously she's one to be trusted)
people hated on lebron because of the way he left. you dont hold a friggin 1 hour tv special to tell cleveland you're screwing them over. if you want to leave then leave dont be a diva about it. it's professional sports, fans generally understand why players leave. you dont see yankees fans hating on cano on the same level that people hate on lebron.
kobe didnt get accused, he was proven to have been with that woman.
Are you seriously advocating that Khan should look to take on easier opponents and at the same time criticize him for not rematching Maidana?
Nothing you say makes any sense man. And when did I say Maidana is over-rated? What are you on about? Please read properly, before spouting off.
Peterson was on Peds, most normal people don't hold that lose against Khan, and even so, the point is Khan is fighting tough opponents, and that Maidana is not, that he is harping on Khan. Is any of this wrong? No.
So again, I have no idea what the hell you're talking about at all. You seem to be arguing against yourself in some weird kind of Khan hate. Hate him all you want, but try to keep your line of thinking straight, so you make some sense.
You cannot criticize Khan for aiming for tough opponents and then criticize him for not fighting Maidana, makes no effing sense dude. It's one or the other. Seriously, think a little.
I'm not advocating anything I'm looking at your argument where you said Khan shouldn't fight maidana because he has since stepped up in competition. what I'm saying is you're neglecting the fact that he lost both of those fights, one of them wasn't even close. just because he stepped up in competition doesn't mean he should stay there if he's not good enough, a fact you neglect to acknowledge.
I never said you claimed maidana to be overrated. I said you think he's a bad fighter. thinking someone is a bad fighter and thinking they're overrated are two different things. perhaps it is you who should read properly before sprouting off? or maybe you don't necessarily think he's bad, just that he's not as good as Khan. however, his fight against Khan proves that maidana is at least around Khans league considering how close it was. maybe Khan is a lot better but he didn't prove it in that fight or in his fights against peterson and Garcia.
Peterson's peds issue isn't really an issue. his testosterone levels were still well below the limit which lends credence to his claim that he had a deficiency. further to that it wouldn't have been an issue if he asked for an exemption. the problem isn't that he had a testosterone boost, it was that he neglected to mention it. but even if it's an issue he still lost the fight.
I'm not criticizing him for aiming for tough opponents, I'm criticizing you for saying that he should ignore all challenges unless they're the elites of the division. he went against them and lost so he can challenge tough competition all he wants but if he's not winning then I don't see where your thinking of how he should ignore maidana comes from. to say maidana hadn't fought tough competition is not entirely accurate. he fought Morales, Ortiz and Alexander. he lost to Alexander but that's no different than Khan losing to Garcia who at the time hadn't beaten anyone besides an older Morales. for all this talk about Khan stepping up in competition the only top level opponents he had fought are peterson and Garcia and he lost both fights. maybe you can put Judah in there depending on how you see Judah at the time of that fight.
also for all this talk about tougher competition, you forget that maidana fought a close fight Khan won but barely. it's not much different than his fight with peterson. either way if the argument is that he should get another shot at Garcia then I don't see why maidana doesn't get another shot. their fight was much closer than Khans fight with Garcia. perhaps you need to read what I wrote instead of getting offended over nothing. I didn't say he should take on easier opponents just for the sake of it. I said he should take easier opponents if he can't beat the tougher ones which up to this point appears to be true.
please also note that tough competition is not necessarily the same as elite level competition. so while maidana would be tough for Khan, as proven in the first fight, it doesn't mean I'm saying maidana is elite or in same level as Garcia etc. so when I say Khan might want to take a step back and fight maidana I'm just acknowledging that maidana is not elite, not bad, just not elite. Khan at this point had his shot at top competition and lost. now he needs to take a small step back to rebuild. which is what he did in the Molina fight anyways so maidana has a decent argument for a rematch. so if I say Khan should take an easier opponent in maidana how does it not make sense? Garcia is the current champ so he's at the top. he destroyed Khan so taking a slightly lower level of competition puts him at maidanas level. which given the outcome of the first fight relative to the outcome of his fight with Garcia, is more indicative of Khans level.
another thing that hasn't been reported.....donaire made a follow up tweet where he said that his manager told him that rigo hasn't signed it yet as he was waiting for the translated contact which confirms what hyde is saying. it would appear that rigo's team told donaire's team/manager who then failed to tell donaire until he tweeted his rant. that's an error on his manager's part, not on rigo or his team. if you want to criticize someone, look at donaire's manager.