craigus1990

I'm sick of these statements that take place directly after fights: "I don't wanna make no excuses but; excuse, excuse, excuse." It's like they think that saying they aren't making any excuses somehow masks the fact that they are making all the excuses possible. It's such a punk move.

Personally I give fighters some slack on the excuses thing. Sometimes things genuinely happen, other times you've got to tell yourself something in order to continue. I think a certain level of delusion is required in all honesty. This costume stuff though... Yeah, things genuinely do happen. But, what irks me is when I fighter says, "No excuses, BUT..." Like, if you want to make an excuse then make a damn excuse. Don't try to hide it under the guise that it isn't an excuse when you're blatantly making an excuse. You can't have your cake and eat it. If you don't want to make an excuse then shut your mouth... if you want to make an excuse then be upfront about it.

I don't know..... I kind of feel Castillo at LW would be a good fight.... I think the version of Canelo that Floyd fought would be a tough ask and I think Canelo would KO him..... and I think a 147 Maidana may be a little too strong/big/powerful for Manny.

He was headed to Russia but Povetkin was dirty. He may well of been... but in reality... he hasn't defended his belt anywhere other than the US. Either way, it is redundant... the point is.... Wilder doesn't want to come to the UK.... AJ doesn't want to go to the US.... One of them has to concede, or the fight won't happen.... if it doesn't happen... it is both of their fault.... not one.

It's not redundant. The fact is, Wilder was headed to Russia to defend his belt (if he hadn't already arrived there), and his opponent failed a drug test, which killed the fight. For you to even attempt to equate that to another guy REFUSING to fight anywhere besides his home country, is beyond me. Anthony Johnson asked for 50 million, said he'd sign "tomorrow," his bluff got called, and now he's searching for every excuse to wiggle out of the fight. They should just come out and say they aren't interested. You fan boys will find a way to blame Wilder for every damn thing. If you haven't already seen - I'm not an AJ fanboy... I can't stand the guy and I want Wilder to beat him.... but the truth is the truth. I haven't said Wilder won't ever fight out of the US... I'm saying he clearly doesn't want the AJ fight in the UK.... that's the reality.... just as AJ doesn't want the fight in the US. I'm saying they're both being divas about it... and one of them just needs to be the bigger man and concede if the fight will happen. But okay... calling both fighters out for not wanting to fight each other in their opponents backyard, means I'm a 'fanboy'. Have fun going through life with that logic.

I'm not a fan of Joshua..... and I think Wilder beats him... and I prefer Wilder..... BUT - Tell me.... when did Deontay take his belt outside of the US? I personally don't care where the fight happens... as long as it happens.... but you can't use the 'a champion needs to go around the world to defend there belt(s)' if the other guy doesn't do it either. They both want the fight in their own backyards.... the reality is that one of them needs to just bite the bullet and be the bigger man and concede.... but right now... neither of them are (not just one of them).

So starting cautious against one of the biggest punchers in the sport is cowardish? Stfu. You can't give away the first 6 rounds of a fight because you're worried about the power of the other guy. It should take you no more than 3 rounds to establish yourself. How can you ever expect to win a fight, if you hand the entire first half to your opponent? Jack is the much bigger man... he should've just been walking Stevenson down from the first bell.

Not saying you're wrong or anything... I'm not from America.... but even this video displays the exact things I'm talking about (regimented/organised support in the way of; marching bands, cheerleaders, signs saying when to cheer etc).... it just seems the way America supports teams, is built on a certain foundation of regiment from the organisation/club/franchise itself... I don't know... I'm just looking from the outside in... but it just seems strange... very inorganic.

I mean.... I agree that Ali does get favoured considerably in these sort of discussions, because he had/has such a great influence on people. But - WTF is that list? That's one of the worst lists I've ever seen.

Either your screen scale is wrong or you didn't even watch the fight... Stevenson was clearly the "bigger" guy last night, as I thought he would... I"d be surprised if Jack even walked in at 185... Adonis might be more blown up.... but Jack is the naturally bigger man. Two inch height advantage... has next to no muscle and could easily fill out with some muscle and reach Cruiserweight... whereas Adonis is totally filled out. Jack is by far the naturally bigger man... and that showed in the second half of the fight, when he actually started to use his natural size and strength to his advantage.... wrestling Adonis in the clinch, walking him down and bullying him physically. Just because someone has more muscle and a more impressive physique... doesn't mean they're 'bigger'. Even weighing more doesn't make you 'bigger'... if that weight is just excess muscle. Being naturally stronger/bigger is more to do with your skeletal frame and your 'room' to put on weight. For a couple of examples (one exaggerated, the other not), take Wilder..... Wilder is HUGE.... but doesn't weigh much (220 - 230 pounds). Then take someone who is 5ft 9/10... like the bodybuilder Jay Cutler.... Cutler would outweigh wilder by 50 pounds.... but is he 'bigger'? Or naturally stronger? No.... And the same could be said for Wilder and Joshua.... AJ outweighs Wilder by a good 25 - 30 pounds... but is he bigger? No... he is just way more blown up..... It is excess muscle that doesn't really serve a purpose.

Medical suspension. After a fight, a boxer is assessed.... the NYSAC have obviously said he won't be fit for another fight within 'X' amount of time, so they give him a medical suspension until that time has passed. After which, he will be cleared to box again (providing he passes another medical).

P4P doesn't mean anything. All you can do is look at how dominant a fighter is.... and if they're dominating against the best opposition possible. Don't worry about the P4P stuff.... Why does it matter? Loma is very good.... so is GGG..... so is Bud.... so is Garcia.... etc..... Why do we need to pretend like we can somehow metaphysically order them by fantasising how their styles would work against each other, or at different weights? That's just fantasy nonsense..... It's like children arguing which superhero would win in a fight.... it is pointless.

That's only the pro sports. Collegiate is where its at for atmosphere and traditions in American sports Not saying you're wrong or anything... I'm not from America.... but even this video displays the exact things I'm talking about (regimented/organised support in the way of; marching bands, cheerleaders, signs saying when to cheer etc).... it just seems the way America supports teams, is built on a certain foundation of regiment from the organisation/club/franchise itself... I don't know... I'm just looking from the outside in... but it just seems strange... very inorganic.

America has a very weird way to 'support' their team etc. It is very regimented, with cheerleaders and music etc.... there is a very organised nature to it... and without the 'composers' of that 'support' i.e. cheerleaders, mascots, music being played, an MC, etc..... they don't really have anything improvised to fall back on. UK support (and supporters from most other places in the world) is super disorganised.... and it is just random shouting, cheering etc.... and the songs are usually just made up by fans and don't happen when prompted... people just start singing them.... and they catch on.

Loma is a 30 year old man.... Floyd was 18 - 20 or something. How is this relevant? Loma has been impressive since turning pro, there's no denying that. But all of this '3 divisions in 12 fights' is just nonsense. The time that it takes to be an 'X' divisional champion or to beat 'X' amount of champions, doesn't mean anything. Floyd was actually younger than Loma when he became a 3 division champion and continued to have a stellar career all the way until he was a 40 year old man. Loma is a 3 division champ... that's great... but doing it in 12 fights is irrelevant.... it doesn't make it any bigger or smaller than it is.... a 3 division champ is a 3 division champ, nothing more, nothing less.

I like Wilder.... I think he probably beats Joshua. But C'mon... Joshua has had 21 bouts.... of course he isn't going to have amazing depth. Mayweather didn't have great depth after 21 bouts... hardly anyone in the history of boxing has a deep record after 21 bouts. So what's the point in the question? In fact, using Mayweather as a measuring stick.... Joshua is probably around par with Mayweather after 21 bouts. Klitschko is as good as (if not better than) Hernandez.... Parker is as good as (if not better than) Manfreddy. I want nothing more than for Joshua Vs Wilder to happen next.... it needs to happen.... but c'mon, don't go trying to set some sort of arbitrary nonsense (5 best wins), to put down a guy who has accomplished a lot in 21 bouts. Let's face it, Wilder's resume after 40 bouts is trash.... so you can't sh*t on Joshua's resume after 21 bouts, without sh*tting on Wilder's.

What are you talking about? Bellew beating Haye isn't even as good as (albeit similar to) Calzaghe beating Eubank. Add to that 20 something title defences.... being the Ring champ in 2 different divisions and beating the likes of a prime Kessler and a capable/rejuvenated Hopkins.... with other wins like Bika, Reid and Woodhall.... and it isn't even close. I like Bellew... he is a very underrated boxer with a good boxing brain and he is great to watch.... but c'mom... don't get silly.

Eubank took the fight on 2 weeks notice, dropped 19lbs in that period. But you think he's better than Haye? Yeah, I'm the deluded one. Haye is in MUCH better shape than an old Eubank. You cannot lose 19lbs in 2 weeks and be fully healthy. Do you think Calzaghe could beat Haye? Hopkins was a career MW, not LHW. His resume past 160 is VERY weak, 2 close fights with Pascal, 1 close fight with Shumenov, blasted out 2x by Smith/Kovalev. Kessler's resume was also very weak, 1 close win over Froch that's it dude. After that you're looking at wins like Mundine. Bellew has wins over Cleverly, Chilemba, Makabu, Haye 2x, his resume is much stronger than Calzaghe's. Calzaghe's resume is loaded with C level guys. Yes, that version of Eubank is better than this version of Haye..... do you know how we can tell? Watching them fight.... Eubank took serious leather in that fight and went twelve hard rounds.... Haye couldn't last 3 rounds without getting dropped on his ass.... that tells you everything you need to know.... you can spew all the caveats about notice and weight that you want.... but the proof is in the acid test... and Haye looked like ****... and Eubank didn't.... Eubank was strong, durable and had stamina for days.... Haye didn't. Do I think Calzaghe can beat Haye...? Huh? What's that got to do with judging a resume...? I don't think Calzaghe could beat Wilder, but does that mean Wilder>>>Calzaghe? If that's the level of logic that your brain operates at... there's not point in a discussion. Yes, Hopkins was a career middleweight... but his resume was not 'VERY WEAK' at LHW.... and it doesn't matter anyway... because we only need to judge it relative to the wins on Bellew's record.... and Hopkins is miles better than anyone on Bellew's record.... miles and miles and miles and miles and miles. Kessler again.... didn't have a weak resume... was an absolute beast in his prime.... and yeah, he might not be ATG material... but he was still a very solid champion, who only lost to the very best. Prime Kessler>>>Haye. And yeah, Bellew has wins over those guys.... and literally not one of them is good... Chilemba is average as **** and has a terrible resume.... same with Cleverly.... terrible record with 1 good win against Bellew himself.... and Makabu doesn't have 1 good win.... he is a nobody... why are you citing that as a good opponent? It makes zero sense. Bellew's best win BY FAR is Haye..... and as established.... Haye is overrated and old. Haye has an awful resume.... an old Mormeck.... Enzo Mac (laughable).... and Valuev.... those are his best wins. Wow... that makes for stark reading. Again... my point with Eubank being greater than or equal to the Haye win, isn't saying Calzaghe's best win = Bellew's best win.... so even if you say Haye>>>Eubank or Haye=Eubank (which is debatable).... you're literally only saying Bellew's best win is slightly better than or equal to Calzaghe's 3rd or 4th or so best win. Calzaghe's best wins - Hopkins, Kessler, Lacy, Eubank, Woodhall, Reid, Bika, Veit, Mitchell, Brewer. Bellew's best wins - Haye.... urmmmm.... injured Haye..... errrrmmm.... Makabu (might as well be called Makab-who).... and maybe Cleverly. Wow.... what a resume. So, you can give all the caveats in the world.... but that resume isn't even close.... at least 2 or 3 of Calzaghe's wins, are better than Bellew's best ever win.... and then Calzaghe has 4 or 5 solid champs/former champs on his record. Bellew has 1 win over a 37 year old former Cruiserweight champion that hadn't fought a legit fight in 7 years or so... and then Cleverly.... those are the only champs he fought and beat.... and neither were champions at the time. Bellew has not beaten 1 current world champion.... not 1. Also - you're saying 'Bellew has solidified his place above Calzaghe'.... well guess what.... that is up to the boxing public/media.... and judging by the overwhelming response you're getting on here (with at least 95% of people calling you an idiot, clown, troll, etc...) the boxing public don't agree.

What legacy? Beating an old man in Mormeck (and struggling, I might add). Knocking out Enzo Mac (who hasn't?) Losing to Wlad in an embarrassing performance? Sorry, but what had Haye ever done?

Eubank took that fight on 2 weeks notice, dropping from 187 to 168. Some how that is better than a win over David Haye? But people are calling me the troll, people are saying I'm silly? a) That's only 1 small part of my argument and Calzaghe's overall body of work. b) Caveats or not, Eubank>>>Haye. It doesn't matter when Eubank fought, he was always tough, durable and solid... and was clearly still in great condition/shape. Haye isn't.... and hasn't ever been (tough, durable and solid). Prime for prime Eubank is streets ahead of Haye.... and non-prime for non-prime Eubank is still streets ahead of Haye. Haye can't get through a fight without either his body breaking down, or his chin cracking.... he isn't durable. c) Even if one was to concede that this win is somehow better than the Eubank win... Calzaghe's body of work is still far greater than Bellew's.... I like Bellew... I was backing him all the way in both fights with Haye.... but you're deluded..... Bellew has 1 world title that was a vacant belt won by beating a nobody.... and a couple of wins over an old (and always overrated) Haye. Calzaghe's wins over Kessler and Hopkins are way beyond anything that Bellew can lay claim to (and he would admit that himself).... plus wins over (also an overrated) Lacy.... Woodhall etc.... and it's not even close. Surely the fact nobody agrees with you and thinks you're actually delusional.... should probably show you that you're someway off of the mark with this one.

Chisora Vs Takam would probably be a decent enough scrap..... and I think if you put Chisora on a Whyte card, it instantly sells it, because people are still interested in the prospect of Whyte Vs Chisora II.

Does it 'irk' anyone else that McGregor is listed under "Mixed Martial Arts", when he made that money in/only made the list because of boxing?

I'm confused.... how is this one fight indicative of the 'state of the division'? Yes - this is a terrible fight.... but the division is as good as it has been in years.... just think of all the good fights that can be made with some of these names; AJ, Wilder, Parker, Whyte, Ortiz, Miller, Fury, H. Fury, Dubois, Povetkin. Sure, it means those guys actually have to fight each other.... but be patient, and I'm sure some good matches will happen in the next couple of years.

Not saying everyone should be the same and live the same, I just can't understand that lifestyle, no matter how much money I have. Same. Like is that it, is it? Is that what we have to aspire to? Instead of getting clothes in one store, we can go to this other store that charges more? I don't get it. People have no imagination. Most rich people live the same as everyone else. They just have things that are bigger and/or more expensive.

Floyd was favored in all of these fights. So nothing remarkable. Floyd had advantages over most for 1 reason or another. Floyd borderline cherry picked some and some were out-right a joke!!! A majority of those fights, Floyd stank up the joint. If not for his opponents, they would definitely be snooze fests!!! Zab Judah: What did Zab do at 147? He lost ~50% of his fights!!! He lost to slow as a turtle, cement feet, no name Baldomir in his previous fight. Baldomir: Slow as a turtle, cement feet, no name fighter that beat Judah!!! Oscar de la hoya: At that point in time, Oscar was basically retired and more promoter than fighter. Fought 1 fight in about 3 years then fought Floyd. Ricky Hatton: Hatton was KING at 140. He had 1 fight at 147 and struggled and some say he should have lost to Collazo. Hatton knew that he had to go back down to 140. After 2 fights at 140, of course, Floyd wants Hatton at …… 147! Marquez: 2 fights removed from 130 and never had fought at 140 nor 147. Floyd of course tries and succeeds to pull a fast one. Contract was for 144lbs but Floyd came in a comfortable 146lbs! Mosley: 39 years OLD RUSTY as NAILs Mosely had not fought in ~16 months. As per Floyd's interview, he said his game plan will take into consideration Mosley is OLD (and RUSTY). Ortiz: Quit on his stool a few fights before the Floyd fight. He had just moved up to 147. He squeaked by Berto. Ortiz was knocked down twice!!! Cotto: Came off 2 demoralizing devastating KO defeats. Then beat, a guy on 1 leg, a guy with 1 eye, and a guy with more bark than substance. This just like many of Floyd's fights, happened way to late. So that meant, perfect timing for Floyd!!! Guerrero: This is now a broken record. Guerrero had just moved up to 147. Beat like everyone else, no defense Berto. Canelo: Drained CW 152 Canelo was sitting down during the weigh-in. He said the hardest part about his training camp was making the weight!!! Floyd's own team even admits that Canelo was too green, not ready, low work rate, no stamina..... Maidana (Twice): This was a cherry pick that almost went wrong except, Floyd had the VEGAS judges that gave Maidana little credit. Floyd asked his fans, which cherry pick to fight? Khan or Maidana. Floyd picked the loser of that! :lol1: Pacquiao: Just like some of the other fighters names, this fight happened 5 years too late!! Manny fought injured and everything was stacked in Floyd's favor. VEGAS REF, VEGAS JUDGES, USADA, Nevada SAC...… After we wait 5 years, Floyd was allowed to use a BANNED ILLEGAL IV!!!! WTF!!! Berto: :lol1: What a joke is right. But remember, Ortiz and Guerrero got their fight with Floyd due to their wins against Berto!!! HAIL All roads must go thru Berto ….. . If you are P4P #1 - How do you go into a fight, not being the favourite? And, why does it matter? The top 5 fighters in a division are the top 5 fighters in a division... Was he supposed to magic a boxer from thin air, that he wouldn't be favourite against, to appease your ridiculous (and meaningless) standard of having to be an underdog, to count as a good win...?

I've often said that Floyd's comeback run from JMM to retirement, is the best run in my lifetime at least. One of the best runs of all time. If you include fights all the way from Zab as well, then yes. It it up there, for sure. Even more impressive when you realise he was 30+ for most of these.

No excuses...? That's a bit rich from Manny 'Wrong socks/Wrong gloves/Bad shoulder/Blood drained' Pacquiao....

He isn't punch drunk. Khan was in remedial classes going through school. He has a severely low IQ. Boxer or not, he would always be this dumb.

Interesting he started out dumb, but I can make an argument he is slurring more than he used to and used to carry himself better in conversations, as I never thought he was this dumb before.... certainly not retard spectrum. Are you sure?

Of course it was. I still lol that people were so hyped about that. People seem to crave the most garbage fights. Because boxing is a sport and as a sport, it isn't everyone's cup of tea.... but drama is universal, and boxing is a good theatre (in theory) to display it.