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Paquiao and Mayweather fans have been at each others throats as expected. But both sides should realize how many things they agree. Here's a few to start, add your own as you'd like. Ricky Hatton was overrated. Fighting De La Hoya is good business. Manny Pacquiao has a big head. Floyd Mayweather is the better defensive fighter. Manny Pacquiao is the more exciting fighter. And... You don't need to drink piss to be a great fighter I don't think Hatton was overrated at all. Mayweather looked good beating Hatton but it was hard work for him and the ref certainly stopped him getting roughed up. Pacquiao was just spades better than Hatton. Being whooped by the 2 p4p best fighters in the world doesn't make Hatton crap or overrated. He has put in many tremendous performances in his career, was a legitimate world champion, and there's no shame in his 2 losses. He took on the best and came up short. Not everybody can be the best, and I look forward to finding out who is the best come March 13 or whatever date Pacquiao and Mayweather finally meet.

Lack of an exciting challenge, probably. He needed a super fight and there wasn't one out there. Cotto wasn't yet a huge draw, Margarito has never been particularly popular, Mosley had been struggling after 2 defeats to Forrest and a loss to Cotto - he didn't have a Pacquiao, a p4p star, to give him that hunger to continue to stake his claim as the p4p best. People forget that boxing isn't just about the fights. It's a tough lifestyle that requires discipline and dedication to remain at the top. Of all the accusations you can level at PBF, stupidity is not one of them and he knows that he needs to be in top condition to remain the p4p best. You need drive, passion, a fire in your belly to get out there and run mile after mile, day after day, to keep going in the gym when you are in pain, to say no to nice looking but unhealthy food & drink, to trim your social life and spend time away from your family and friends. I think he was lacking motivation. Hatton was a bit of a super fight, coming in unbeaten, hailed as the best light welter stepping up to take on PBF. He'd had a super fight with De La Hoya before that. How do you train just as hard when you are fighting a mexican that has been beaten 5 times? Or wait for Cotto to become a mega star instead of just a respected unbeaten fresh champion?

It's staggering how the OP can argue that Pacquiao fought "Mayweather leftovers" vs Hatton / De La Hoya, and in the same post use Mayweather-Marquez to support his argument. News flash. JMM was in his prime at his best weights versus Pacquiao. At the age of 36, he is asked to move up two divisions to fight Mayweather. That's Mayweather eating Pacquiao leftovers. Mayweather Marquez was shameless match making by Team Mayweather to pick an easy-as-possible comeback. They didn't even have the balls to target a junior welterweight, let alone a welterweight. No, let's try and 'shame' Pacquiao by taking on Marquez, who ignorant fans think beat* Pacquiao - who cares that he's a lightweight. * Another news flash, try watching the Pacquiao Marquez fights and objectively scoring them. The only people on the nights in question who genuinely thought he was hard done by were his corner, him, and one bent judge who gave Marquez every round after the 2nd in the first fight.

Be extremely self critical. Always look to improve. Try and perfect every move. Good is not good enough. Don't be one dimensional, the best fighters have many weapons in their armoury. Listen to people but don't take their word as gospel. Never discount any criticism, never take it personally, but never accept any advice blindly. Learn over time who to trust and listen to. If you want to be the best, you have to train the hardest. If you go pro, be professional. If you take shortcuts, you'll pay for them. Even the best fighters in the world get caught out when they don't take it seriously and dedicate themselves fully.

which of these trilogies are the best? WTH.... where the hell is Ali-Frazier? This poll is a joke. "Greatest trilogy in history" and omits many of the really great trilogies.

Oh yeh....but calzaghe bust him up for 12 round lol Come on Jones was shot to ****...calzaghe Beat the piss out him for 12 rounds ...so no wonder a much heavier cruiser weight Koed his old arse lol Can you stop saying this? Calzaghe looked like he was going to get embarrassed in the first 3 rounds. The last 9, yes, he did beat the piss out of Roy, but the fact he looked like he was going to lose heavily in the 1st and then it took only 2 more rounds to tire Roy out wasn't exactly the legacy building display you seem to keep touting.

Agreed. He hadn't taken a clean headshot since the knock down, terrible stoppage. He took some good body shots but his guard did not budge. I don't think Green was punching himself out, but he was going to be a bit lower on gas after that, and the next few rounds would have been intriguing.

That's a lie.Malignaggi might lack power but he has balls and is no quitter.The guy fought Cotto with a broken jaw,very few fighters can do that.He's certainly willing to face anyone unlike Pacquiao the cherry picker What's even funnier than this statement is that fact that you are not joking... :wave: Anybody home?

Two jokes fighting a joke fight and trying to end eachother's joke careers. Hilarious. Haye is not a joke fighter. Unified world cruiserweight champion, world heavyweight champion, but because he's not agreed to the demands of the Klitschkos he's now a joke? You can't be serious. (Pun intended.) Audley... he looks nervous. He couldn't stand still at the weigh in when being interviewed. He looked so uncomfortable. He's in over his head and he knows it, and all his bluster is him trying to convince himself he has a chance when in his heart he knows he's walking into the lion's den and he's not a lion killer.

Vitali gives any Heavyweight from any rea a good fight. Idk if he wins or loses though. Wladimir on the other hand would get knockedout by Tyson, Holyfield, Ali, Foreman. ...Lewis, Holmes, Shavers, Tua... anybody with power who could get close.

And common sense should always tell you that Vitali wouldn't have won more rounds than LL with one eye, impossible. And LL was going to knock him out anyway. Totally agree. That fight was going in one direction. Those uppercuts were frightening. Since all cuts were caused by heavy punches, it is hard to consider the cuts to be anything other than part of the victory and take nothing away from Lewis' performance. The stoppage saved Vitali's eye, saved his health, and probably saved him a stay in the hospital and meant he's still in impeccable condition today rather than punch drunk like Briggs.

LL should have given Vitali a rematch. LL said he only had 11 days to train for vitali. LL should have shown how badly he would outclass Vitali if he was to prepare properly, and he didnt. Of all the times he could have retired in his career, afte Vitali probably wasnt the ideal time, with unfinished business. Why should he have given him a rematch? To satisfy idle fans like ourselves? He was old and getting older. Vitali was in his prime. I don't think Lewis had the hunger any more that was needed to go to camp and get himself into top condition. Add to that, as you get older, your health becomes more prominent in your thinking, and Lewis probably reflected on how tough the Klitschko fight was and decided he had proven enough to the world and didn't want to damage his health further. He would probably have won, in my opinion, but at what cost? Getting punched hard in the head - as hard as Lewis and Klitschko punch - is not good for your brain.

Common sense tells you the cut on Vitalis face was unfortunate and cant be used to say how more better LL is than Vitali. If it went to 12 rounds and Vitali was badly cut, the judges dont score the fight on how badly cut you are , and hold it against you! Vitali would have won on the judges scoresheet. I remember LL versus Bruno and i always remember how Bruno was outclassing LL before tiring. It showed me LL limitations becase bruno of all people outjabbing LL. Someone as ponderous as frank. But im a brit and should be sticking up for LL. I dont know why i havent warmed to LL. He was a nice guy but for some reason i never wanted him to win and i feel guilty about that. You seem to suffer from the same affliction that most observers of Lewis suffer from. He's always losing, until he wins. He was losing against Briggs, until he won. He was losing against Bruno, until he won. He was losing against Klitschko, until he won. Yadda yadda yadda. Lennox Lewis is an ATG and always found a way to win. He was exciting to watch when he wasn't unlucky enough to be sharing the ring with spoilers like Akinwande. His fights were frequently action packed and enthralling, and he had this deceptive vulnerability that made many people question whether he was legitimate, even as late as the end of his career. Against Briggs, he was never out on his feet, as some people in this thread are claiming. I suggest to them to go and watch the fight again, and - some illegal rabbit punches aside, leading him to hold on in round 1 - see how hurt Lewis really is at any point in the fight. Not much, really. Off balance, yes. Stunned by the occasional heavy shot, yes. Hurt? Not badly, not even close to being "out on his feet". He always had his guard up, was rolling shots, or on the single occasion he was a bit hurt, to hold on. By the 4th round Lewis has lost all respect for Briggs' power and is trading with him to devastating effect. Despite this the commentators constantly degrade Lewis, which certainly adds to the "vulnerable" image most people seem to have of him. Against Klitschko, Lewis gave him his toughest fight ever. The cuts were not fortunate. Lewis bust open his face. Nobody stood in front of Vitali and smashed him up like Lewis did. Nobody. That is why Lewis is an ATG, because you take a fighter as tough, methodical, and brutal as Vitali Klitschko, and Lewis stands in front of him, takes his best shots, and hurts him badly, and wins. That was prime Vitali, and faded Lewis too. The Lewis who destroyed Briggs would not have taken as many heavy shots as he did at 37 against Vitali.

He's just a big gay black man. If you find that creepy, you're probably scared of being raped by big gay black men.

I have been quite a critic of Mayweather's recent behaviour but I'm on his side with this one. The Pacquiao fight is the biggest of his career. You don't concede big advantages by risking not having your main trainer available. It's not just the fight, it's the training too. He will want to go in to this 100% because otherwise the chances of him losing rise dramatically.

Anybody got a stream for Tua Barrett?

he robbed Marquez after giving Pacquiao a beating. Have you seen the fight? Or do you just enjoy trolling. And look up the compubox stats. Pacquiao more than justifies the victory.

This has been pretty bad for boxing. By insinuating that Pacquiao's achievements were only possible because of PEDs, he has cast a huge black cloud over the accomplishments of many other great fighters, and by calling out to the world that testing for PEDs is not adequate and stipulating his own testing rules, he's implying that many other current fighters are probably on something because the commission doesn't test properly. He may not be intending to say that, but those are the only logical conclusions from his initial arguments. He should have taken this to the relevant commissions, but the commissions don't pay his bills, the fans do, and the more controversial he can be, the more people pay to watch him. Mayweather couldn't care less about boxing, he'll do whatever it takes and defame whoever he needs to in order to maximize his income.

Anybody who equates Pacquiao and Gatti needs their head examining or at least discredits themselves in the eyes of anybody who knows anything about boxing. Gatti... known for pure guts, total warrior with more heart and courage than most other fighters in history - and no skill. Walked through barrages of punches just to land his own. Would get hit twice just to throw one big punch. And he came up short at the highest level time and time again. How is that like Pacquiao? How on earth can you compare the two? :bsflag: :sucks: :lame:

It was pretty one sided until late on. I only gave Abraham round 3 out of charity. I thought round 9 was close, but Dirrell's workrate edged it. Round 10 was a major shift in momentum though. The DQ was a shame - the fight had just entered the most interesting phase where Abraham had to (and looked like he was going to) put it all on the line, whilst Dirrell had tired enough that he was getting caught. It would have been a thrilling final 5 minutes.

i didnt think manny was on ped or possibly using them until he turned down a career high payday because he did not want to get random blood test done does that prove he is on ped just because he wont submit to the testing? NO! but it does seem to make the argument that he is on them more logical and the argument that he is not using ped to seem very hollow This is a myth. Pacquiao was happy with 30 days before the fight and immediately after the fight, then compromised to 24 days before the fight for random blood tests. He did agree to random blood tests, but not 14 days before the fight as Mayweather demanded. Not good points.

The punch does hit Ruiz on the jaw though. With Ruiz having his chin tucked down and his shoulders hunched, the follow through from the punch drives Haye's fist off the point of the jaw and into the chest/shoulder. Very weak argument by the OP. Just follow the trajectory of the punch, and look at Ruiz's reaction. Or are you accusing him of faking it?

AA winning the 11th? Based on what? He didn't land any punches in that round prior to knocking Dirrell out while he was on the canvas. No judgements can be made on 60s worth of a round.

I think it was nearer 50/50 but Dirrell had noticeably slowed down and was getting caught flush. He would have done well to make it to the end of the fight, and was in survival mode, but the KO was not exactly a foregone conclusion as Andre was still mobile and it is hard to know how much Abraham had in the tank.

Mayweather taking this match up has made up for his choice of Marquez in the last fight. Mosley is dangerous - as dangerous as Pacquiao. For me, I can't see that Mayweather has the power in his punches to back Mosley up. So it comes down to, can he be elusive enough to keep Shane at bay? I am really unsure as to how this fight will go. I mean, Mosley is 39, it could be that father time catches up with him at last and Mayweather gets an easy victory - bearing in mind it's been 15 months since the last Mosley fight. There's a lot of variables here, it's certainly a tough fight to call. However, Mayweather is a class apart, so I think he eeks out a tight decision. Still, I went with 'unsure'.

I think a the issue of Haye's chin is blown out of proportion - gotta remember that he was totally punched out against Thompson, was struggling to make weight against Mormeck, and was a bit gung ho against Barrett. He did get clipped by Valuev a few times and never looked hurt or rattled. I also think that if he didn't break his hand early in the fight against Valuev, he would have knocked him out before round 12, and people would have been far more impressed with his performance. Still, when somebody has a head that big and hard, a broken hand is always on the cards. There are a lot of Haye haters here though it seems. Then again, there's a lot of haters here.

David Haye is pretty well travelled.

I think you have to look at the Valuev fight as a blueprint for Haye vs Tua. Haye would keep his distance, use his speed to land several solid shots a round, and spend most of his time backing off and circling Tua. I am not sure Tua would have the speed or ring generalship to get close to Haye on enough occasions to land more than the occasional pot shot - I don't think he'd get the opportunity to plant his feet at any point.

I think if Floyd made this an issue when he was #1 P4P fighter, he would have been applauded. However, he waits until somebody else becomes #1 P4P, then accuses them of only being so good because of PEDs, then demands random testing until 14 days before the fight. Floyd Mayweather is being disingenuous. He wanted to defame Pacquiao, made demands on the tests that were not his to make (i.e. not commission sanctioned) and seemed to be unwilling to compromise to a pretty acceptable 24day* limit. He isn't trying to clean up the sport, he's trying to tarnish the guy that is now rated better than him. That is why he is "vilified". * I doubt anybody could gain serious advantage by taking PEDs in a 24 day window - at a stretch, perhaps only 2 weeks of those 24 days where it can be taken without showing up after the fight

LOL these forums are great. So, get this, Pacquiao was soooooooooo easy to hit and sooooooooo unmissable and aaaaaallllllllllll Clottey had to do was hit him. ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!! Why do some of you bother posting in a boxing forum?