When you throw almost 1300 punches, you're going to get hit some. Pacquiao did a great job of getting himself out of the way and putting him in the position to not get hit most of the time. The time he got hit was where he wouldn't move and try to break more into Clottey's guard. He got hit flush a couple times, but really he dominated Clottey.
Also, I'm not sure why everyone is saying "Clottey could have done better!" Margarito threw around the same number of punches against him and Clottey had the same output I think. I don't have compubox numbers on me, but pretty sure it was around the same.
One last thing, I think there is a better case for Pacquiao being rated #1 at WW then Mosley now. The Ring has Pacquiao ahead of Mosley and I kind of agreed with that before, but now I think he is a bit more. Still close though and I wouldn't argue having Mosley at one either.
I don't think you thought about what I wrote. Sam said he didn't win a minute of any round, not that he didn't win a round. There were plenty of rounds where he did work in and looked fine in at time, but lost all of them due to getting outworked bad.
I read what you said. I can't see a round in there for Clottey, let alone two.
Jesus Christ.
I don't know what fight you were watching but it certainly wasn't the one I saw.
I didn't see a close round in that fight. I think you fell into the trap where Clottey was throwing so little that whenever he did actually come out of his hole to throw a single straight right it grabbed all your attention.
That was as clear a shut out as you will see.
Like I said, Clottey loses to anyone with decent or better volume. That and he is a bore means that he has no place in fights like this. Sure he seems like a nice guy, but he is not a main event fighter.
I don't think you thought about what I wrote. Sam said he didn't win a minute of any round, not that he didn't win a round. There were plenty of rounds where he did work in and looked fine in at time, but lost all of them due to getting outworked bad.
Be real sam. I was rooting for Pacquiao, but there were many rounds that were close until the final minute where Pacquiao would let lose and throw barages, hence putting them in the bag. I gave Clottey two rounds. Round 7 was aclear Clottey round imo.
Jesus Christ.
I don't know what fight you were watching but it certainly wasn't the one I saw.
I didn't see a close round in that fight. I think you fell into the trap where Clottey was throwing so little that whenever he did actually come out of his hole to throw a single straight right it grabbed all your attention.
That was as clear a shut out as you will see.
Like I said, Clottey loses to anyone with decent or better volume. That and he is a bore means that he has no place in fights like this. Sure he seems like a nice guy, but he is not a main event fighter.
Clottey was to afraid to come out his shell however when he did catch Pacquiao a few times. Clottey could have done alot better if he believed in himself more however Pacquiao's workrate was keeping Clottey at bay which is what he needed to do. I defiantly learnt alot about Pacquiao in this fight and i think Floyd has a better chance than i was giving him. Pacquiao is their to be exploited imo he has flaws.
When you throw almost 1300 punches, you're going to get hit some. Pacquiao did a great job of getting himself out of the way and putting him in the position to not get hit most of the time. The time he got hit was where he wouldn't move and try to break more into Clottey's guard. He got hit flush a couple times, but really he dominated Clottey.
Also, I'm not sure why everyone is saying "Clottey could have done better!" Margarito threw around the same number of punches against him and Clottey had the same output I think. I don't have compubox numbers on me, but pretty sure it was around the same.
One last thing, I think there is a better case for Pacquiao being rated #1 at WW then Mosley now. The Ring has Pacquiao ahead of Mosley and I kind of agreed with that before, but now I think he is a bit more. Still close though and I wouldn't argue having Mosley at one either.
Pacquiao was hit with triple uppercuts, when he wasn't throwing. None of Clottey's landed shots were counter punches, none. Pacquiao's defense is his offense. The reason they didn't put him against many boxers is that Pacquiao is too easy to hit despite the improvements. He's fast yes but he gets hit allot too. That has to impact his long term career. If Floyd and Pacquiao don't fight soon, we will see a mismatch as Floyd will absolutely dismantle Pacquiao... Boxing years advance when you are hit in the head. Floyd's a spring chicken compared to Pacquiao.
I didn't give Clottey a single round. Dude was shut down completely. Not even being a biased fan here, but Clottey he didn't win a single minute of any round. This was a more convincing shut out than Mayweather-Marquez in my eyes.
Be real sam. I was rooting for Pacquiao, but there were many rounds that were close until the final minute where Pacquiao would let lose and throw barages, hence putting them in the bag. I gave Clottey two rounds. Round 7 was aclear Clottey round imo.
Your acting like he ran away and still got stopped trying to survive son.
He was better off running away. You dont walk a guy down with your hands up and not punching. That was essentailly Roach walking around with a punching bag for Pac like in training.
I kid you not after the 4th round I was screaming for Pac to whoop his ass. Hes a joke. Hes on the world stage and came to survive. He didnt leave it all in the ring.
Your acting like he ran away and still got stopped trying to survive son.
I didn't give Clottey a single round. Dude was shut down completely. Not even being a biased fan here, but Clottey he didn't win a single minute of any round. This was a more convincing shut out than Mayweather-Marquez in my eyes.
I gave him like 2 rounds. He was landing some good shots and the cleaner blows.
I didn't give Clottey a single round. Dude was shut down completely. Not even being a biased fan here, but Clottey he didn't win a single minute of any round. This was a more convincing shut out than Mayweather-Marquez in my eyes.
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I am not going to judge, I am going to have to watch it the replays on tv just to see how it seemed. Being there, it was not like how some of you're describing. But, like I said I will watch it on TV before I say anything.
Oh I know what you mean Osiris called the show and said he had it 7-5 Pacquiao. Im like dude on TV Clottey won 2 rounds at best. The fight is on youtube.
I keep looking at post saying pac just stood there and just punched.
It was actually a clever move, cause he's waiting clottey to exchange but unfortunately clottey was scared to take the risk.
I kid you not after the 4th round I was screaming for Pac to whoop his ass. Hes a joke. Hes on the world stage and came to survive. He didnt leave it all in the ring.
I am not going to judge, I am going to have to watch it the replays on tv just to see how it seemed. Being there, it was not like how some of you're describing. But, like I said I will watch it on TV before I say anything.
clottey took the fight on short term, and was without his trainer, and had been off for almost a year now. winky fights more offensively out of his shell and he tried throwing vs paul in the first round but stopped because he was getting caught. clottey throws when you're finished but Pacquiao has great stamina he never stopped.
Short term? So did Pac then.
Dude WTF???
I kid you not after the 4th round I was screaming for Pac to whoop his ass. Hes a joke. Hes on the world stage and came to survive. He didnt leave it all in the ring.
LOL these forums are great.
So, get this, Pacquiao was soooooooooo easy to hit and sooooooooo unmissable and aaaaaallllllllllll Clottey had to do was hit him.
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!
Why do some of you bother posting in a boxing forum?
Warp for some reason, pac cant move out of the way of the right hand. Clottey landed it almost at will. Clottey also had some success with the uppercut inside. Pacs defense is improved, but its not like he was out there shoulder rollin and duckin and being slick. Clottey...shockingly, actually landed the more eye opening shots.
But overall, i am just glad i didint waste my money, the fight was actually worse than i expected and thats all on Clottey who basically didint even come to win.
When you throw almost 1300 punches, you're going to get hit some. Pacquiao did a great job of getting himself out of the way and putting him in the position to not get hit most of the time. The time he got hit was where he wouldn't move and try to break more into Clottey's guard. He got hit flush a couple times, but really he dominated Clottey.
Also, I'm not sure why everyone is saying "Clottey could have done better!" Margarito threw around the same number of punches against him and Clottey had the same output I think. I don't have compubox numbers on me, but pretty sure it was around the same.
One last thing, I think there is a better case for Pacquiao being rated #1 at WW then Mosley now. The Ring has Pacquiao ahead of Mosley and I kind of agreed with that before, but now I think he is a bit more. Still close though and I wouldn't argue having Mosley at one either.
Anyone with a brain could tell you Pac's defense was great that night. Most of the time when he did get hit it was because he was basically begging Clottey to try to fight. Just standing there in front of him. If Pac wanted he could of moved side to side all night and not get hit once.
The problem is when he dominates, people want to go out of their way to find things he did wrong in the fight. Those are what we call haters.