Shouldn’t Mayweather be applauded for wanting testing for PEDs?

No, that's because they agreed to it. And this is the heart of the issue. They had NO complaints about it, were even talking smack about it...until the USADA slapped them with their itinerary and they realized they were f*cked. All of a sudden, they had issues with the number of blood tests, then the cut-off dates. Just nonsense. Team Pac also NEVER wanted RANDOM testing. They wanted 3 tests and wanted to know the datyes of each one: 1. Week of the kick off tour. 2. 30 days before the fight 3. after the fight. They didnt want RANDOM.

Not saying it's not true, but why didn't we hear immediate complaints about it from day one then? Seeing how against it Pacquiao's camp ended up being, why didn't Pac complain the second he saw it? That would make me think even more that Pac's camp didn't want him fighting Mayweather, not just refusing blood tests. No, that's because they agreed to it. And this is the heart of the issue. They had NO complaints about it, were even talking smack about it...until the USADA slapped them with their itinerary and they realized they were f*cked. All of a sudden, they had issues with the number of blood tests, then the cut-off dates. Just nonsense.

See, it's misinformation like that...that's just not true. It was in the contracts from day one. Got it? Not saying it's not true, but why didn't we hear immediate complaints about it from day one then? Seeing how against it Pacquiao's camp ended up being, why didn't Pac complain the second he saw it? That would make me think even more that Pac's camp didn't want him fighting Mayweather, not just refusing blood tests.

See, you are assuming guilt for Manny just because they pulled out of the fight over the blood tests, ignoring some of the negotiations that proceeded it. Each fighter's camp was throwing up things trying to get the other side to blink first. Mayweather came out near the beginning of negotiations with the 154 and 10 oz. gloves crap, that went away. Then the 10 million per overweight pound demand came from Arum, which is ridiculous, but Floyd agreed to it. Then after everything was done, and the fight seemed like it would happen, Floyd came out of no where with the blood tests which insulted Manny. And Manny's camp blinked. The fight will happen later this year, I don't know what kind of testing they will have, but it will not be the issue it has been. See, it's misinformation like that...that's just not true. It was in the contracts from day one. Got it?

So they went through this whole negotiations because they really don't want to fight Floyd? LOL. I guess we can all rationalize it the way we want to. So let me ask you...do you believe the fight will occur in the future with testing all the way up to the fight? I sure hope you're right, brother. See, you are assuming guilt for Manny just because they pulled out of the fight over the blood tests, ignoring some of the negotiations that proceeded it. Each fighter's camp was throwing up things trying to get the other side to blink first. Mayweather came out near the beginning of negotiations with the 154 and 10 oz. gloves crap, that went away. Then the 10 million per overweight pound demand came from Arum, which is ridiculous, but Floyd agreed to it. Then after everything was done, and the fight seemed like it would happen, Floyd came out of no where with the blood tests which insulted Manny. And Manny's camp blinked. The fight will happen later this year, I don't know what kind of testing they will have, but it will not be the issue it has been.

He is listening to the people around him, who don't want him to fight Mayweather apparently. That's the reason for all the contradictions. Every fighter's camp contradicts themselves. Don't act like Manny's is the first or the only one. So they went through this whole negotiations because they really don't want to fight Floyd? LOL. I guess we can all rationalize it the way we want to. So let me ask you...do you believe the fight will occur in the future with testing all the way up to the fight? I sure hope you're right, brother.

So he's the type to contradict himself and make comments which would say he's not willing to take the tests at a reasonable time; ie lying? He is listening to the people around him, who don't want him to fight Mayweather apparently. That's the reason for all the contradictions. Every fighter's camp contradicts themselves. Don't act like Manny's is the first or the only one.

Because that's how Pac is. That's the type of fighter he is. Unfortunately, he has a scumbag in Bob Arum who decides everything for him. We don't know what is said privately, but based on what we know about Manny Pacquiao I have a hard time believing he is begging to not take blood tests. So he's the type to contradict himself and make comments which would say he's not willing to take the tests at a reasonable time; ie lying?

What makes you say he was willing to take all of these tests? What shows? All his contradictions? Because that's how Pac is. That's the type of fighter he is. Unfortunately, he has a scumbag in Bob Arum who decides everything for him. We don't know what is said privately, but based on what we know about Manny Pacquiao I have a hard time believing he is begging to not take blood tests.

Pac would take any of these tests, but he listens to everyone else who are telling him not to take the tests. Bottom line, everyone around Pac didn't want the fight to happen in March, that's why it fell apart, not because they are scared Pac will test positive for anything. This thread is about Mayweather getting credit for wanting stricter drug testing, and that's ridiculous he isn't doing anything admirable, he's trying to destroy a person's reputation because he is jealous. What makes you say he was willing to take all of these tests? What shows? All his contradictions?

Well obviously Pacquiao doesn't give two craps about the testing. Some people don't care and are like, "I don't care, I'll take it." It's the kind that say "I don't care, I'm NOT taking it" that you should be worried about. As for Floyd getting credit, well, I could give two craps about that. How about we the fans take Pacquiao to task for his actions, instead of concentrating on the other guy? Pac would take any of these tests, but he listens to everyone else who are telling him not to take the tests. Bottom line, everyone around Pac didn't want the fight to happen in March, that's why it fell apart, not because they are scared Pac will test positive for anything. This thread is about Mayweather getting credit for wanting stricter drug testing, and that's ridiculous he isn't doing anything admirable, he's trying to destroy a person's reputation because he is jealous.

I hope this fight happens

Shouldn’t Mayweather be applauded for wanting testing for PEDs? February 28th, 2010 By Chris Williams I may be missing something here, but I don’t understand how Floyd Mayweather Jr. can be vilified for wanting his opponents to agree to random blood testing for performance enhancing drugs like human growth hormone (HCG). If this is something that can only help the sport by getting rid of dirty fighters that bulk up on growth hormone, which some people say can’t be detected by the old methods of urinalysis alone, why is Mayweather considered a bad person for wanting this? If you were a fighter, wouldn’t you want your opponent to agree to these tests if you felt that they were juicing? I realize some boxing fans feel that Mayweather is doing it just out of fear, and I agree Mayweather does seem afraid but for different reasons. I think Mayweather is afraid of the unknown. He believes that performance enhancing drugs help a fighter, even though nothing has been proven to show that in boxing. But if Mayweather believes it, it can affect him mentally by creating fear and uncertainty in his mind. But what Mayweather is asking for doesn’t seem unreasonable to me. Why should boxing fans be angry with Mayweather for wanting his opponents to agree to drug testing for PEDs? That seems silly. I realize that in Pacquiao’s case he has a fear of needles, a fear of having his blood taken from his body and all that, but you can still understand where Mayweather is coming from in this. He’s afraid, yes, but I don’t agree that he’s afraid of Pacquiao and is looking for a way out. On the contrary, I think Mayweather badly wants to fight Pacquiao, because where else will Mayweather get a chance to make that kind of money. But Mayweather wants to be sure that Pacquiao, along with all his opponents from this point on, are fighting clean without the benefit of performance enhancing drugs. I don’t see what Mayweather is asking for as a bad thing. Why would it be bad if it’s something that will help identify cheats in the future? There are probably some boxers out there who are using both steroids and growth hormones to bulk up in weight quickly with muscle mass that would take them years to put on. The PEDs allows these fighters to bulk up quickly and compete against the bigger fighters. I don’t know that it will help them in a long distance fight where their stamina is tested, but I think it would possibly help them in a short fight. Personally, I’m all for the extra blood testing for performance enhancing drugs. If they’re going to be testing in other sports for these drugs, then they need to be doing it in boxing as well. I think the urine testing was fine at one point, but the PEDs are more advanced now and the testing methods need to keep pace with the changing drugs. You can’t just stay stuck on one test forever. The boxing commission needs to be flexible and be able to adjust quickly to the changing times by having additional tests for different drugs. I don’t think that the urine testing should be done away with, as I think it’s still useful. But I think random blood testing needs to be added to that to ensure that fighters are using other types of drugs that might not be detected with the old tried and true urine testing. Likewise, I think the blood testing needs to be random all the way up to a fight to make sure that a fighter isn’t getting off of his PED cycle before or after the drug tests. Those drugs are very powerful, and if a fighter was allowed to cycle for 30 days before a fight, they could put on some serious weight during that time and increase their strength along with it. I don’t know what can be done for fighters that are afraid of blood testing for fear that it weakens them. It think those fighters will have to eventually accept the rules and learn to live with it the same way all of us do with other rules in our society. It may be a pain, but when you have a fighter’s life at risk by facing someone that is bulked up by artificial means, it can be potentially dangerous. There are strength drugs that can make a fighter very strong, and this likely would have a positive benefit for their punching power. Like I don’t think it would help them with their stamina, but I think a fighter could be more than a handful in the first six to eight rounds of a fight. By then, they could potentially decimate their opponent with their increased strength and power, and beat them up enough to score an early knockout or cruise the rest of the way. I don’t blame Mayweather one bit for wanting drug testing for his fights. He should be applauded for this instead of ridiculed. Is he the very first who advocate this?. there were fighters who ask for tighter testing before.And Mayweather is hardly a pioneer. Olympic style would not work well if you're only going to use it for Championship or title fights. Because some may use banned substances on their way up to the top 10 ranking.

No he shouldn't. It's simply a smear campaign.

I will applaud Mayweather if he will bring this random blood testing to the governing body like NSAC. As of the moment, he doesn't care, he just want to make his own decisions and just plain tarnish Pac's name. Pac's camp has always said that they're not against the testing and will gladly follow it if the governing body is the one who demands a random blood test. All it takes is to brought it up to NSAC present their arguments and let NSAC do the rest. If this happens and NSAC will implement random blood test it will not look like singling out on Pac, which is the case with the Mayweather camp. Some Floyd fans always ask "why Pac walk away from $40 Million with just a simple blood test?" Well the answer is what I've written above and before someone ask this question again. Think and ponder, when someone like Mayweather who calls himself Money May with a tag line of "Legacy don't pay bills". Well he was given the chance of a big payday, uhm, Money May, plus the legacy that comes with it if he wins. But alas, he made it more complicated.

Because I don't think Manny gives two craps about the testing. Personally I think it's more likely Arum is ducking a Pac-Floyd fight then it is that Pac is on PEDs or Pac is ducking Floyd. We all should want stricter testing. There should not be any doubt about that, and if you don't that's sad. But Floyd should not get credit for trying to clean up the sport because he is not trying to. Well obviously Pacquiao doesn't give two craps about the testing. Some people don't care and are like, "I don't care, I'll take it." It's the kind that say "I don't care, I'm NOT taking it" that you should be worried about. As for Floyd getting credit, well, I could give two craps about that. How about we the fans take Pacquiao to task for his actions, instead of concentrating on the other guy?

I think if Floyd made this an issue when he was #1 P4P fighter, he would have been applauded. However, he waits until somebody else becomes #1 P4P, then accuses them of only being so good because of PEDs, then demands random testing until 14 days before the fight. Floyd Mayweather is being disingenuous. He wanted to defame Pacquiao, made demands on the tests that were not his to make (i.e. not commission sanctioned) and seemed to be unwilling to compromise to a pretty acceptable 24day* limit. He isn't trying to clean up the sport, he's trying to tarnish the guy that is now rated better than him. That is why he is "vilified". * I doubt anybody could gain serious advantage by taking PEDs in a 24 day window - at a stretch, perhaps only 2 weeks of those 24 days where it can be taken without showing up after the fight

Well then why did Manny agree to the testing? Because I don't think Manny gives two craps about the testing. Personally I think it's more likely Arum is ducking a Pac-Floyd fight then it is that Pac is on PEDs or Pac is ducking Floyd. We all should want stricter testing. There should not be any doubt about that, and if you don't that's sad. But Floyd should not get credit for trying to clean up the sport because he is not trying to.

Of course he should, but boxing fans seem to be the only sporting fans that support their sport being dirty. Ask MLB and NFL fans if they desire more stringent dope testing. The answer will be a resounding yes. Boxing fans? Nope. Can you please enlighten me on this comparison? For MLB and NFL players, who ask for a more stringent drug testing on any player, is it the players from the opposing team, the fans etc? Who in particular, if i may ask? Thanks.

Of course he should, but boxing fans seem to be the only sporting fans that support their sport being dirty. Ask MLB and NFL fans if they desire more stringent dope testing. The answer will be a resounding yes. Boxing fans? Nope.