He did not go life and death with Chaves. He pretty clearly outpointed him and was robbed.
http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/timothy-bradley-eye-face.jpg
does this look like a man who clearly outpointed somebody?
sweet pea/chavez
Bradley/pacquiao
lewis/holyfield 1
those are robberies
Bradley wasn't robbed.
back too my original point, Bradley hasn't won a fight since 2013. you cant go a year and a half without winning a fight and remain top 5 p4p.
I like Bradley, but he is rated too high at number 5
Just want to clear that up since Floyd hired Ariza for his S&C and any accusations against Pac must be extended to others. Or was he only dirty under Pac but is clean under Floyd :lol1:
pacquiao never took random blood and urine tests while ariza was in his camp. as soon as ariza was fired. pacquiao started testing before his fights.
is it just a coincidence? maybe so
An eye can swell like that from literally one punch. Did Pacquiao not clearly outpoint Clottey, either? Or Cotto up to the point it was stopped? And that happened to Bradley because of headbutts.
Bradley was robbed.
if you didn't see the fight and you looked at both fighters face it was clear cotto took the worst beating. so that's a bad example.
the clottey fight is a better example of the point your trying too make.
with that being said. even if you think Bradley won. a win over chaves and a loss to pacquiao in 2014 doesn't merit being top 5 p4p in 2015.
beating marquez was a very good win.
marquez was ranked #3 p4p, #2 welterweight, coming off a huge upset KO against pac, considered ring fighter of the year for 2012, certified future hof'er etc. and bradley outclassed him.
that was almost 2 years ago. since then, Bradley has lost too pacquiao and went life and death with diego chaves in a draw.
Bradley is a good fighter but his stock is trending down and that is why he shouldn't be ranked ahead of guys like froch and wlad
It's about putting on quality cards and matchups. Not just having boxing on network television. Unless there's actual structure along with rankings and elimination bouts where the best take on the best, it will fail. Garcia/Salka type bouts aren't going to cut it.
it will be something along the lines of what you just saw Kathy duva do on nbc.
did you have a problem with those kind of fights on nbc?
Marquez vs Mayweather
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1847545/marquez_against_mayweather.jpg
Marquez vs Pacquiao
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1847553/Marquez_against_Pacquiao.jpg
Marquez vs Alvarado
http://static.squarespace.com/static/52f91f5fe4b0b171e6fc2b2b/534d78b4e4b056d2a338d23f/5376a503e4b07b722fdd87d3/1400284426414/marquez-alvarado-weighin-ss-04.jpg
Tell me he looks the same in all these photos. That fourth pacquiao fight weigh in doe..lol his power was over 9000..the mayweather one was pre-memo and the Alvarado he was tapering off, his doping was becoming too obvious.
those photos are taken 39 months apart. you telling me it's not possible too change your body in that amount of time?
marquez has more knockout wins than pacquiao, but his power came out of nowhere?
He did not go life and death with Chaves. He pretty clearly outpointed him and was robbed.
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he wasn't robbed. the fight could have went either way
This is completely true when Jose reigned. Now that he's gone, the WBC seems to be taking steps in the right direction, as others have mentioned.
IMO, the WBC title is the most recognized and prestigious belt among all the other million alphabet titles. I say do away with the other ones (IBF, WBO, IBO). Two titles in each division (WBC and WBA) would sit just fine with me, I'm all about unification bouts.
the WBA is the worst of them all, allowing up too as many as 3 champions in one division.
The IBF are the ones who are the most strict when it comes too mandatories.
Keith thurman is a ko puncher.... bradley is more of a boxer/puncher cuz he has pop, but he relies heavily on his skills to beat guys. He has alot of finness in the ring.
you loss me at Bradley is a boxer/puncher. bradley is a elite fighter for sure. boxer/puncher he is not.
a boxer puncher is someone who wins fights doing both.
Thomas hearns was a boxer puncher.
roy jones was a boxer puncher
lennox lewis was a boxer puncher
james toney was a boxer puncher
juan manuel marquez was a boxer puncher
Fernando vargas was a boxer puncher
tim bradley is not
He did have two big wins in 13' and outside of the Pacquiao fight he has performed at a much larger level than most. Outside of not fighting Khan to fight Pacquiao, I can't remember when Tim has ran or ignored a challenge. The Chaves fight was a robbery, and the reason why that weekend in boxing was discredited judges, full of questionable calls and altogether by most who watched a horrific weekend in boxing.
you are bringing up wins from 2013. its 2015, and Bradley went 0-1-1 in 2014.
5 is too high
You may be right. Although Bradley didn't look great In the fight I personally thought that he won.
On the flip side Chaves Is a very gritty, come forward, hard hitting tough guy. Kind of like Maidana.
These type of fighters can make highly skilled fighters such as Bradley look ordinary.
Keith Thurman stopped him
Pac was coming off a year lay off and being knocked unconscious. So why is it hyped so bad on here? Rios isn't as bad as people make out and has a decent resume and stellar amateur background of 230-35 . Even Bernard Hopkins said it was a risky fight coming off such a brutal knock out.
Rios is around a similar level as Maidana, it's just that people hype Maidana because he beat an overrated blown up 147lber in Broner and couldn't even knock him out. This guy also got shut out by Devon Alexander for crying out loud. Rios would have probably beaten Broner and probably can beat him now.
0:40 check it out
the problem was you cant charge 70 dollars for come back/tune up fights.
pac/rios should have been on regular hbo the way jones/Johnson was after roy got knocked out.
plus if you remember correctly, Alvarado should have got the shot at pac because he had just beat rios.
Arum and Top Rank have made it clear that the fron trunner for plan B if Pac May doesnt happen is jessica vergas...BUT..if Bob is already in talks with Al Haymon's team why can't he look for a plan B in Haymon's 140-147 stable?
Top Rank 140-147 stable does not have any real challenges for Manny....what do you guys think?
i much rather see Pacquiao Garcia or Pacquiao Matthysse than Pacquiao Vargas smh
because arum has a allengiance too his fighters first. he would rather give his own fighters a shot at pacquiao, as opposed too another company's fighter.
vargas/pacquiao arum controls the winner.
Garcia/pacquiao arum runs the risk of not having the winner.
simple business
pacquiao/Garcia is a better fight than pac/vargas, but it isnt better business for arum
he's top 10 for sure. top 2 is too high for a man who's best wins are against washed up fighters in holyfield and Tyson. I think both would have beaten him in the early 90's. especially the version of evander that fought foreman and bowe the first time
With what we are hearing about the Pac-May fight being close to a done deal. If its signed Canelo should not fight Kirkland on that date.
Should he have waited on the outcome and salvaged his fight with Cotto. They could of had a ppv fight in June.
how about cotto fighting his mandatory. GGG.
of course not. alvarez and mayweather, if the numebrs weren't forged, did 2.2 million buys.
alvarez was a relative unknown. i do think that manny - mayweather has lost some steam, and that it would do more before manny was knocked out by marquez.
still, this fight is going to absolutely crush 3 million ppvs. it will crush it. expect more than four.
4 million? that's too high.
Exactly this should be precedent on the way forward.
No more two of the same God damn belt.
I'm not considering Thurman a champion.
why not?
Thurman has been the mandatory for the wba belt since 2013. and still hasn't gotten his mandatory shot.
when a guy refuses too fight his mandatory, the belt becomes vacant. Floyd isn't gonna give Thurman his mandatory shot. but the wba don't wanna strip Floyd. so they just elevated Thurman so they don't have too strip Floyd.
same thing at 154 with lara.
Floyd is never gonna fight his mandatories, so he should be stripped of the wba belts at 147 and 154.
Thurman vs guerrero should be for the full wba title
You can't blame Cotto for waiting on Floyd. I'm not sure what Canelo is in such a rush for. If it were closer to March I'd understand. Unfortunately it seems like we are going to get Cotto/Bradley which is a let down to me. Canelo/Kirkland is a fun fight though.
canelo in a rush?
canelo has been patient for over a year and a half.
remember the 10 million dollar offer too cotto for march 2014?
if you respect Hopkins 20 defenses at 160. you have too respect golovkin's defenses at 160 so far.
Hopkins was beating a whole bunch of fighters who were just guys as well.
he just had the luxury of two big name welterweights moving up and challenging him. Oscar and tito. without those two. there is nobody else that stands out in hopkin's 160 reign.
This fight just need promos, Face-offs, and word of mouth.....this fight will sell they dont need to push it to june
Especially when it gets close to May 2nd....that last week before the fight.....Everyone will be on board
My only question is do that have enough time for training camp
training camps are 8 weeks
may 2 is over 12 weeks away
they got plenty of time too train
manny and especially floyd need to do what allen iverson's advisers did for hm and set up trust fund that they cannot touch till they are 50 or something.
the way both guys spend their money, they better do it now before its too late. that's the only financial saving grace iverson has.
I was just about too bring up Iverson. I think every athlete should do that
$99 bucks. $60 bucks. $39 difference is that big of a deal to you. UFC charges $50 or $60/sometimes twice a month. This fight could cost a $100 it wouldn't matter. Everybody aint as broke as you.
and those ufc ppv's never crack a million buys
The WBA should find a set of testicles and strip Floyd. That's half the problem, that some fighters can go years without defending and never fighting mandatories, while others get stripped two months after winning the belt.
More belts doesn't help anything, it just makes boxing look worse.
facts!!!!!
Unifications supersede mandatories.
Maidana won the WBA belt off Broner then lost it to Mayweather in a unification.
Thurman has been the mandatory since july 2013.
maidana shouldn't have even got the fight against broner in December 2013 over Thurman who was the mandatory.
and Floyd beat maidana for the wba in may 2014. you are right that was a unification.
the fight in September wasn't a unification though. Floyd should be stripped.
mandatories should be enforced.
its the only way too ensure that fighters who are ducked or just don't have big fan bases get their shot at the title.