Rewatched Marquez vs Alvarado fight

The dude showed up with ACNE. At 40 years old. Imagine if Pacquiao showed up with chest acne like a Juan did? This dude his Mike with a right hand and nearly sent him out of the ring. Literally. I know JMM can punch, but like THAT? F*ck no.

Marquez vs Mayweather http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1847545/marquez_against_mayweather.jpg Marquez vs Pacquiao http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1847553/Marquez_against_Pacquiao.jpg Marquez vs Alvarado http://static.squarespace.com/static/52f91f5fe4b0b171e6fc2b2b/534d78b4e4b056d2a338d23f/5376a503e4b07b722fdd87d3/1400284426414/marquez-alvarado-weighin-ss-04.jpg Tell me he looks the same in all these photos. That fourth pacquiao fight weigh in doe..lol his power was over 9000..the mayweather one was pre-memo and the Alvarado he was tapering off, his doping was becoming too obvious. You show a picture from 2009 and his first fight at the weight mind you, then one from over 3 years later when he has been actually fight at the weight and point out how he looks different and somehow you think that's proof that hes on something, genius. Oh, wait I forgot he had a few pimples too, the only explanation can be steroids, what a bunch of clowns.

those photos are taken 39 months apart. you telling me it's not possible too change your body in that amount of time? marquez has more knockout wins than pacquiao, but his power came out of nowhere? Manny fans don't want to hear these facts because it doesn't fit their agenda.

Marquez vs Mayweather http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1847545/marquez_against_mayweather.jpg Marquez vs Pacquiao http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1847553/Marquez_against_Pacquiao.jpg Marquez vs Alvarado http://static.squarespace.com/static/52f91f5fe4b0b171e6fc2b2b/534d78b4e4b056d2a338d23f/5376a503e4b07b722fdd87d3/1400284426414/marquez-alvarado-weighin-ss-04.jpg Tell me he looks the same in all these photos. That fourth pacquiao fight weigh in doe..lol his power was over 9000..the mayweather one was pre-memo and the Alvarado he was tapering off, his doping was becoming too obvious. those photos are taken 39 months apart. you telling me it's not possible too change your body in that amount of time? marquez has more knockout wins than pacquiao, but his power came out of nowhere?

Mention Marquez on boxing scene and watch all the dummies come out and whine. Innocent until proven guilty... Unless you're Marquez Here's some fanboy logic: Manny is clean with Fortune (although freddy called him a cheat) Manny is clean with Ariza (Although freddy is skeptical) Floyd is clean with Ariza (although he's called out Ariza conte is a trustworthy guy (although conte ratted on him and that's why memo doesn't trust Vada) Floyd has dirty fighters in his stable, freddy had Toney and Fortune. Marquez never came up dirty, has always had a good knock out rate--yet people say "new found power". I don't mind skepticism, but it seems like people hate Marquez as a person (and because he knocked manny the eff out. Although he hurt Manny every fight except the third fight where he out boxed manny post to post) I really think we should ban posters who bomb marquez threads with steroid talk. It distracts from any thread about him. Excellent, excellent post. I agree with everything said. Green K.

He also had a tan in the second photo which helps when trying to show definition... And it's no secret he was doing some lifting and working with an S&C coach. Was he roiding? I guess we will never truly know ... I have my suspicions. But he's also stated he's never done any serious lifting in his training/life and he didn't use the methods against mayweather that he did against PAC and Marquez training wise, which may have been enough to make the difference you see in his physique... Which is noticeable but I wouldn't say drastic. the acne is because he's bathing his pee, same with his power, he's drinking his pee right?

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Mention Marquez on boxing scene and watch all the dummies come out and whine. Innocent until proven guilty... Unless you're Marquez Here's some fanboy logic: Manny is clean with Fortune (although freddy called him a cheat) Manny is clean with Ariza (Although freddy is skeptical) Floyd is clean with Ariza (although he's called out Ariza Conte is a trustworthy guy (although memo ratted on Conte and that's why memo doesn't trust Vada) Floyd has dirty fighters in his stable, freddy had Toney and Fortune. Marquez never came up dirty, has always had a good knock out rate--yet people say "new found power". I don't mind skepticism, but it seems like people hate Marquez as a person (and because he knocked manny the eff out. Although he hurt Manny every fight except the third fight where he out boxed manny post to post) I really think we should ban posters who bomb marquez threads with steroid talk. It distracts from any thread about him.

I dont know why people claim marquez is on anything, he taking olympic, vada, comission, everything and never once failed. The issue is that he hired a known PEDs expert who admitted to cheating and admitted that he knows of 20 ways to mask his PEDs. Victor Conte @VictorConte JMM is 40 yrs old w/ muslces popping out, acne all over his chest, @Guruscience Memo as his trainer & @BobArum & boxing do get it.

What are you talking about. Just take a look at round 8 when 40 year old Marquez sends Alvarado through the ropes with one punch from mid ring. When have you every seen him do that? Sarcasm right? I'm not good with those so I'm fearful. People act as though Alvarado was airborne, the guy was trying to catch his balance :lol1:

Just so you see he wasn't as powerful as people are making it out. Rios and Provodnikov had Alvarado on his bike, where as Alvarado stood close enough to return fire against Marquez. I thought Marquez' hand speed looked very good, definitely better than it looked against Bradley. Even though I rooted against Marquez (Bradley fan here) Marquez should have entered the ring very light, that would have helped him considerably. What are you talking about. Just take a look at round 8 when 40 year old Marquez sends Alvarado through the ropes with one punch from mid ring. When have you every seen him do that before Memo?

Lol Some Flowmos here protecting Marquez. You know who you are. Hiring Memo alone is a big factor that he's on peds.

Marquez vs Mayweather http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1847545/marquez_against_mayweather.jpg Marquez vs Pacquiao http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1847553/Marquez_against_Pacquiao.jpg Marquez vs Alvarado http://static.squarespace.com/static/52f91f5fe4b0b171e6fc2b2b/534d78b4e4b056d2a338d23f/5376a503e4b07b722fdd87d3/1400284426414/marquez-alvarado-weighin-ss-04.jpg Tell me he looks the same in all these photos. That fourth pacquiao fight weigh in doe..lol his power was over 9000..the mayweather one was pre-memo and the Alvarado he was tapering off, his doping was becoming too obvious. :omfg: I could almost see Hulkez turning green on the second pic, undeniable proof of him roiding :)

Just so you see he wasn't as powerful as people are making it out. Rios and Provodnikov had Alvarado on his bike, where as Alvarado stood close enough to return fire against Marquez. I thought Marquez' hand speed looked very good, definitely better than it looked against Bradley. Even though I rooted against Marquez (Bradley fan here) Marquez should have entered the ring very light, that would have helped him considerably.

Fair points but look at the photos man. As he got older he weighed more and was looking more ripped. Compare his vascularity in that pac IV fight to the floyd fight, he looked like a monster when he stepped on the scales against pac..it was ridiculous, Marquez's physique is looking cartoonish these days, it just looks so unnatural. He also had a tan in the second photo which helps when trying to show definition... And it's no secret he was doing some lifting and working with an S&C coach. Was he roiding? I guess we will never truly know ... I have my suspicions. But he's also stated he's never done any serious lifting in his training/life and he didn't use the methods against mayweather that he did against PAC and Marquez training wise, which may have been enough to make the difference you see in his physique... Which is noticeable but I wouldn't say drastic.

Marquez vs Mayweather http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1847545/marquez_against_mayweather.jpg Marquez vs Pacquiao http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1847553/Marquez_against_Pacquiao.jpg Marquez vs Alvarado http://static.squarespace.com/static/52f91f5fe4b0b171e6fc2b2b/534d78b4e4b056d2a338d23f/5376a503e4b07b722fdd87d3/1400284426414/marquez-alvarado-weighin-ss-04.jpg Tell me he looks the same in all these photos. That fourth pacquiao fight weigh in doe..lol his power was over 9000..the mayweather one was pre-memo and the Alvarado he was tapering off, his doping was becoming too obvious. I've seen bigger changes in people who did p90x.

Fair points but look at the photos man. As he got older he weighed more and was looking more ripped. Compare his vascularity in that pac IV fight to the floyd fight, he looked like a monster when he stepped on the scales against pac. Thing is, Marquez trained to knock Pacquiao out, he compromised who he was as a fighter to land the perfect punch. This is why Marquez looked slower than he's ever looked in that last fight against Manny. As for how defined he looked against Pacquiao, he had more time to work on his physique.

A lot of what you said isn't even true, Alvarado did hurt and stun Marquez a couple of times. Also, Alvarado was able to take Marquez' punches surprisingly well, he was actually more hurt in those two fights against Rios than he was against Marquez. I watched it not too long ago too and Marquez wasn't as sharp with his combinations, he looked quick though. Fair points but look at the photos man. As he got older he weighed more and was looking more ripped. Compare his vascularity in that pac IV fight to the floyd fight, he looked like a monster when he stepped on the scales against pac..it was ridiculous, Marquez's physique is looking cartoonish these days, it just looks so unnatural.

A lot of what you said isn't even true, Alvarado did hurt and stun Marquez a couple of times. Also, Alvarado was able to take Marquez' punches surprisingly well, he was actually more hurt in those two fights against Rios than he was against Marquez. I watched it not too long ago too and Marquez wasn't as sharp with his combinations, he looked quick though.

I dont know why people claim marquez is on anything, he taking olympic, vada, comission, everything and never once failed. Marquez vs Mayweather http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1847545/marquez_against_mayweather.jpg Marquez vs Pacquiao http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1847553/Marquez_against_Pacquiao.jpg Marquez vs Alvarado http://static.squarespace.com/static/52f91f5fe4b0b171e6fc2b2b/534d78b4e4b056d2a338d23f/5376a503e4b07b722fdd87d3/1400284426414/marquez-alvarado-weighin-ss-04.jpg Tell me he looks the same in all these photos. That fourth pacquiao fight weigh in doe..lol his power was over 9000..the mayweather one was pre-memo and the Alvarado he was tapering off, his doping was becoming too obvious.