No he isn't cashing him out. The only cash out fight there is for Manny is Floyd, the rest are just fights. I still believe it happens because in the end a fight that could make both guys over 50 million and potentially up near 100 million is not going to be turned down forever.
I found the compubox numbers to be exaggerated so I picked a random round to analyze. I downloaded an HD 60fps version of the fight and I watched the round in extremely slow motion (please put the jokes aside). When it looked like a punch landed, I watched it frame by frame to make sure it did.
Here are the results of every punch landed with a short description of the punch. Only kept tract of the punches landed. Don't care about thrown.
2:32 Bradley body punch
2:32 Bradly body Punch
2:16 Bradley jab
1:59 Pacquia right hook
1:46 Bradley right
1:43 Bradley left
1:38 Bradley jab
1:37 Bradly grazing right hook
1:29 Braldey southpaw left
1:29 Bradley right
1:21 Bradley jab
1:19 Bradley jab
0:59 Bradley jab
0:43 Bradley jab
0:36 Pacquiao right hook
0:33 Pacquiao right hook
0:22 Pacquiao right hook
0:14 Pacquiao left hook
0:12 Bradley right hook
0:12 Pacquiao right hook
0:10 Pacquiao left hook
0:10 Pacquiao right hook
0:01 Pacquia straight left
0:01 Bradley body shot
0:01 Bradlye body shot
In the end, Pacquiao landed 9 punches and Bradley landed 16. There were a few punches that were hard to call, but this is about right. Notice that Pacquiao only landed 1 punch in the first 2 minutes and 24 seconds of the fight. The punches landed after came from a flurry that didn't really land that cleanly. Bradley actually landed the cleaner punches in this round surprisingly. This is actually a pretty clear round that should go to Bradley after close scrutiny. Compubox somehow got 22 punches for Pac and 8 for Bradley. So yeah, lets stop paying attention to compubox numbers.
You could have picked any round in that fight and it would have looked the same.
I was pretty bothered by how much they missed Bradley blocking and slipping punches and how many jabs and body shots he landed. The fight was close. I scored it close live, and scored it close upon rewatching.
First view thought Pac won a close fight. Second view thought Bradley won a close fight. Depends on if you believe flurrying at the end of rounds is enough to outweigh outboxing a guy for the first 2 minutes or so of every round. Not to mention people seem to have this notion that Bradley was ever really stunned or hurt, and I never saw it.
Considering I gave JMM 8 rounds in their fight he's lost at least 8. Yeah he shut out washed up Mosley, washed up and no wraps Margo, and a never very good Clottey. Good for him. Do I think Bradley will win the fight? No because he can't KO Pac and if the judges decided that a HOF can't win a decision over Pac then Bradley can't.
Since I was not allowed to take away points and had to call that a knockdown I had Mares winning by 1 round. I also question that first knockdown which really looked like a slip to me, but in comparison to the second looked like the most legit knockdown ever.
Bhop is in a class by himself for dirty, cheating tactics. If we are excluding him then I would say Mares is right up there. Bradley just fights awkwardly and lunges in.
He crushed Mora and it was rightfully earned. Heck he could have gone harder and asked if next time he would use lube before he screws a fighter. Gray is my hero, and I wish all announcers had the guts to call it like it is like he did tonight.
I need to see him in with a right hander before I know for sure that he's completely shot. What the Lara fight proved is that he really is never going to beat another competent southpaw again, but he did prove his chin and will to fight are still very good. As much as I hate to see my favorite fighter duck a guy he shouldn't rematch Lara unless he plans on firing Petterson and making big stylistic changes. If this is how he's going to fight and he isn't changing then either fight only right handers or retire.
I like Wilder and hope he starts to step it up a little. He's got the size and athletic ability to be a champ, hopefully he shows he has the other things needed as well.
yeah and it would be a good paycheck for martinez as well. i wouldn't support it (because it wouldn't do much for his career/it'd be a joke) but whatever, as long as he gets a paycheck and then fights a top MW afterwards. only way it could happen though is if margs beats cotto, which i'm not too sure of. and i doubt cotto will want to face martinez if he makes it past margs...
I don't support anyone fighting the cheat, in fact it's the reason I now despise Pac when I used to be a fan of his, but Martinez did lose to him so I'd give him a pass. Personally he should never be allowed in a boxing ring again, but that's already been allowed to happen so I hope he takes savage beatings the rest of his career.
Martinez is on the short list of people I would give a pass for fighting the Cheat. Anyone who lost to the Cheat I'd have no problem getting a chance to beat his face in now for payback.
As much as I hate the fight with Mosley and I don't blame you on that but Pac made the most money from the Mosley fight (if im not wrong).
JMM fight is legit because the fans had always said that he lost atleast the second
fight so sooner rather than later, fight JMM and get it over and done with (win or lose)
P.S - Back to the thread I'll say Martinez beat Margarito but Marg will still make it a fight.
The JMM fight was legit 3 years ago at 135. Not anywhere close to legit now. I respected Pac because I bought into the hype that he fought the better opposition than Floyd, but the truth is this is the 3rd straight joke fight in a row. As for Martinez-Cheatto Martinez crushes him. He blacked out the bigger, faster, better version of Cheatto in PW.
That you can't totally blame Pac. Should put some of the blame on Bob the snake.
He doesn't deserve all the blame, but he deserves enough of it. Not to mention he's done nothing since in his fight choices to change my mind. I could be won back by him, but the Mosley and JMM fights aren't helping his cause with me. The Mosley fight might have been more of an embarrassment than the Cheatto fight, and this JMM fight has the potential to rank right down there.
You have got to be joking! I gave Haye two rounds, and even that hurt me to do so. Man I love Big G, he packs a punch and markets a mean grill, but damn. I wonder if there is a bit of bitterness there, it seems strange that he always takes a job leading them into the arena or making vid for there ring entrances. :dunno:
I had it much along the lines of Big G's card. I thought early Haye was slipping pretty much everything Wlad threw and he was basically running everytime Haye got near him. I don't reward that on my scorecard. It probably took him 4 rounds to throw a right hand. Haye landed the only punches throughout the fight that really meant anything, even though it wasn't at nearly a high enough volume. Obviously almost no one is going to agree with me, and that's fine.
Margo is always going to be a bad matchup for Cotto. I do believe Margo is probably too washed up at this point, but he will continue to come forward at all times and make it hard on Cotto. It's the reason Cotto never wanted a fight with PW. PW is just a taller, faster Margo.
Marquez's countering, footwork and adaptability are more similar to Maweather than anything Ortiz has to Pac (besides being a southpaw). Ortiz doesn't have Pac's movement, angles and pace, really all he has is he's a fairly quick southpaw.
For all of JMM's countering and footwork he is still exceedingly easy to hit. Floyd is as difficult to hit cleanly as any fighter I have ever seen. Also JMM even in his prime never had amazing hand speed, while Floyd does.
I'll go Donaire, but I think a guy who appears to have much more power than originally thought is Martinez. After watching PW take that same punch Martinez nearly killed him with repeatedly by a guy that is not a feather duster let me know how good that was. Combine that with the punch he landed on Cintron that he swore was a headbutt when it clearly wasn't, and the bombs he landed on Sergi and I think he is right up there. Donaire is a freak at his weight class who crushes guys. His KO's of Montel and Vic were devistating.
I think Cotto doesn't like to be pressured, and no one outside of maybe PW applies more pressure than Chetto. I think both are faded and not nearly the fighters they used to be, so it's going to be interesting who has lost more. Cotto always had more boxing skill, but I still don't think he has enough power to keep Cotto from coming foward, and enough speed and footwork to get away from the ropes when Cotto gets there.
A prime or close to prime JMM at a good weight for him would be better, but neither of those things are the case now. JMM is going to look old, slow, and fat at that weight again and will sadly get crushed. It was better for him for people to have just always debated that he won the first 2 fights instead of getting crushed in fight 3 and allowing homers and uninformed people to just then assume that Pac was always clearly better.
My brother and I have been talking about really wanting to see this fight. If it could last long enough this would be fight of the year. Talk about 2 guys fighting in a phone booth.
In person I thought it was about 8-4 Lara and then I watched it again and still thought it was 8-4 with a couple of rounds that could have gone either way. I could see a reasonable person going 10-2 and I could see one going 7-5 Lara. As much as I wanted PW to win I can't reasonably say he did win. I agree that the HBO crew was making it sound like he was taking the worst beating in the history of boxing, and while it was bad it wasn't to the level that he was about to die right there in the ring like they made it sound.
I've never been one to want PW to take an easy fight, but if he is going to continue fighting he just can't fight anymore southpaws. Lara deserves a rematch, but Williams isn't going to give him one, and quite frankly if he wants to continue his career he shouldn't. I'm really torn because I don't want to see PW retire, but I don't want to see him go out there and continue to look like a shell of himself. I'd like to see him fight a right hander and see if it's just that southpaws have him completely figured out or if he's just shot.
no it's not. If he's not going to fight Lara, Lara and Molina should fight, two winners.
If Williams isn't going to fight Lara he should fight on Friday Night Fights. He shouldn't be rewarded with another million dollar payday on HBO.
Hopefully HBO does the right thing and tries to force the issue like they did with Williams-Martinez II.
I hope he either retires or never fights another southpaw again. Molina quite frankly does deserve a good fight after smashing Cintron. Lara deserves a great fight, but PW shouldn't fight him again because he got beat bad and it isn't going to change or get better for him it will just result in him taking another beating by a southpaw. Williams gets on HBO because he's all action and win or lose is going in there to fight. I'm torn because PW is my favorite fighter, but I don't want to see him take unnecessary beatings.