Honest questions for the Cotto fans.

I was surprised when Cotto lost the 1st time, and I'll be even more surprised if he loses this time around. Of course Margarito will get the credit he deserves. Cotto has to physically/mentally prepare for a 12 round fight. He has to get comfortable with the idea of clinching and not trying to slip/avoid/block punches all the time. He might also have to be a little more conservative with his punch output as well so he doesn't drain all of his stamina. Ultimately, he has to aim for Marg's body. His jab and left hook should work wonders for him. I'm a believer that Margarito had some plaster assistance in their 1st fight, so I highly doubt he'll be KO'ing Cotto the 2nd time around.

At this stage of both of their careers, i would say all thing are once again even. I don't think he cheated the first time, and i fully expect Marg to do the same thing to Cotto again. Cotto could get the win, but he'd have to be in the best condition of his life, and do what he did the first time but for a full 12 rounds, and i just don't see that happening.

Same can be asked to Margarito fans, what if Cotto beats the sh!t out of Margarito, and ends up stopping him, will the excuses be that post- Mosley, and Pacquiao, Margarito isn't the same, or will it be admitted that the plaster use was highly possible in that particular night?. This fight is intriguing because of the handwrap scandal, period. in a sense this fight doesn't prove anything, because style-wise Margarito will be hell for Cotto any night plaster or not, I just want to see another great fight like the first one and preferably with Cotto stopping Margarito.

:rofl: I opened up Word for that. I've had instances where I'm writing a massive post and have the computer either freeze up on me or lose internet connection. Thank you! :rofl: Hey Cua, I'm sigging the bet! Your 1million against my million? (Cotto doesn't get stopped?) Yes let's do it, I say Cotto get's stopped in 11 just like the first fight. 1 million.

you bumped this thread because of that 10 of 10 post you have up there you arrogant little prick, you :) :rofl: I opened up Word for that. I've had instances where I'm writing a massive post and have the computer either freeze up on me or lose internet connection. Thank you! :rofl: Hey Cua, I'm sigging the bet! Your 1million against my million? (Cotto doesn't get stopped?)

Bro, that sh1t still hurts me. I can't believe the way Pac just dismantled Barrera. The Barrera vs Morales fights were scored backwards if you ask me, Barrera won the first and lost the second, even though they were backwards, they evened out in the end I guess. Out of those 3 I have: Barrera Morales JMM In that order. that's exactly my order when it comes to those three ... JMM is the baddest technically but i just can't bring myself to respect anyone more than barrera; straight warrior.

I'd say Margarito is a cheater but possibly did not cheat against Cotto. Right now im 95% convinced Margarito cheated Cotto, but i could be convinced otherwise by Margs performance. What will Margarito fans say if Cotto dominates him? Accept that there is a big possibility hes cheated most of his career?

those junior jones losses fukked my head up back in the day. then dude gets robbed that first morales match ... then he takes it to naseem. man, instantly MAB was a living legend to me. that pac loss is still one of those fights that i can't watch again. Bro, that sh1t still hurts me. I can't believe the way Pac just dismantled Barrera. The Barrera vs Morales fights were scored backwards if you ask me, Barrera won the first and lost the second, even though they were backwards, they evened out in the end I guess. Out of those 3 I have: Barrera Morales JMM In that order.

Yes but that was the best post I have ever read about this subject.....I can't give you more green K Tinta or I would. I would also love to have a beer and watch a fight with you, you know your boxing and are objective, not like these fukin pricks around here. I do disagree with you that Marg won't stop Cotto, I think in the first fight Marg was a just a little bit too respectful of Cotto and when you heard him say in the 6th round "I'm going to knock him out" and his trainer telling him "I know, I know but be careful" I knew at that moment that Marg knew, that Cotto couldn't hold up to his shots and pressure. I will take that bet with you Tinta, no problem and personally, I don't care who wins. Part of me even would like to see Cotto win and redeem himself, I just think that Marg to Cotto is what Junior Jones was to Barrera...... those junior jones losses fukked my head up back in the day. then dude gets robbed that first morales match ... then he takes it to naseem. man, instantly MAB was a living legend to me. that pac loss is still one of those fights that i can't watch again.

Margo is always going to be a bad matchup for Cotto. I do believe Margo is probably too washed up at this point, but he will continue to come forward at all times and make it hard on Cotto. It's the reason Cotto never wanted a fight with PW. PW is just a taller, faster Margo.

you bumped this thread because of that 10 of 10 post you have up there you arrogant little prick, you :) Yes but that was the best post I have ever read about this subject.....I can't give you more green K Tinta or I would. I would also love to have a beer and watch a fight with you, you know your boxing and are objective, not like these fukin pricks around here. I do disagree with you that Marg won't stop Cotto, I think in the first fight Marg was a just a little bit too respectful of Cotto and when you heard him say in the 6th round "I'm going to knock him out" and his trainer telling him "I know, I know but be careful" I knew at that moment that Marg knew, that Cotto couldn't hold up to his shots and pressure. I will take that bet with you Tinta, no problem and personally, I don't care who wins. Part of me even would like to see Cotto win and redeem himself, I just think that Marg to Cotto is what Junior Jones was to Barrera......

Bump this thread! :boxing: you bumped this thread because of that 10 of 10 post you have up there you arrogant little prick, you :)

Bump this thread! :boxing:

I'm not going to get into whether Margs had ilegal wraps for the Cotto fight again ! Maybe he did maybe he didn't ? What I don't get is fans who state Margs didn't have plaster on his chin ? As to conclude Cotto couldn't knock him out ! Well if the illegal wraps were in place that night that mountain would have thwarted his efforts don't cha think ? To those of you who are under the impression well Miguel cotto lumps up easy and has plenty of scar tissue. Well there was no evidence of this pre Margs. Pros or Amateurs. If illegal wraps where in place that night wouldn't you think Cotto would be more susceptible of sustaining damage as he has in his last 3 out of 4 fights ? Well things that make you go HMMM I guess ?

Okay, I read through the entire thread. A few things: First off, Cuauh, thanks for being objective. Whether or not Margarito cheated against Cotto, we may not know. It’s likely, but it hasn’t been proven. However, he did have illegal inserts in the handwraps before the Mosley fight, which turned off many people, even me. Even after stopping Cotto in 2008, I was actually looking forward to seeing Margarito’s next fight and was even rooting for him against Mosley, but when they mentioned the handwraps thing, that was the thing that did him in. You can’t blame Ricans for loathing him, it’s just that people go overboard with the deal sometimes. I can’t stand people who don’t watch boxing (at all) and feel like they’ve got a very important opinion regarding boxing matters (such is the case with friends/friends of friends, etc.) Secondly, while Cotto DOES bruise, swell, and cut easily, I firmly believe he does so more easily post-Margarito. Whether it’s scar tissue or whatever acting up, I don’t know. How do you go from getting into wars with Torres and Corley at 140 looking clean for the most part after the fights to 147 with Judah/Mosley coming out with merely a bloody lip and some very, very slight swelling after the fights to 154…going against feather-fisted Foreman and past prime Mayorga looking all red and swollen post-fight? I might sound like I’m exaggerating, but it’s the truth. Cotto looks like he has more facial damage post-fight against Foreman than, say…Judah (who landed over 50% of power punches). Third, I’m tempted to say Cotto will win, but the thing that is keeping me from going all in with Cotto is that Margarito despite getting pummeled into a damn near stoppage against Pacquiao, he actually went to war with him and never stopped coming forward despite how PAINFUL it must’ve been to get tagged with straight lefts on that broken cheekbone *shudders* I honestly thought that after Cotto in 2008 and Mosley in 2009, that Margarito’s punch resistance would go down…it hasn’t. He can certainly take punches and he has shown to have a tremendous heart even when faced with someone who just would not let up (Pacquiao). Rounds 6 and 8 Margarito had tremendous success trapping Pacquiao against the ropes and working those great uppercuts which he specializes in. Balls of steel from Manny to come back from those crippling body shots and dish out some of his own punishment. Anyway, my point is that Margarito, despite getting hammered from pillar to post by Shane, despite looking meek against García, and despite looking like pizza face against Pacquiao, he still has an iron chin and unquestionable heart. See, the thing with Margarito is that he is defensively-void just enough that his opponents start throwing all their shots upstairs and then are sapped of their energy. He has shown to be hurt quicker to the body than the head. It’s no secret what Cotto has to do to win again. Here we are, most of us armchair experts, talking about how Cotto has to… 1-) Pace himself 2-) Stay in the center 3-) Get off the ropes 4-) Tie up 5-) Work the body if possible 6-) Work the jab and the left hook …when in fact, he and Steward already know that. They’re working on it, Margarito ain’t a mystery. You just have to keep a cool head for 12 rounds. Finally, with all that said, I’m confident enough to say that even if Margarito beats Cotto, it won’t be by stoppage again. That much I’m willing to bet on. There is no way Cotto goes through that again, and if it happens again, so help me God… If Margarito wins, he redeems himself, though I don’t think he’ll be welcomed with open arms everywhere no matter how good he looks. As usual, credit will be given where credit is due, and I will give credit to Margarito if he DOES win again. I still don’t think he’ll have a long career after this, though. Neither Cotto nor Margarito will be the same. What these guys have been through in the first fight was just nasty… SUMMARY: 1-) Credit to the victor. 2-) Neither will have much of a career after this fight. 3-) The ANTICIPATION of this fight will be greater than the fight itself. 4-) Burning Question: “Will Margarito’s FACE hold up after what’s he been through?” Not the same as heart or chin, this is the face we’re talking about… 5-) Observational note: I agree with Cuauh in that Steward hasn’t changed Cotto that much. Cotto is Cotto. A consistent bully with decent boxing skills that dislikes pressure, nothing will change that. I’m not saying Steward’s done nothing with Cotto, I’m just saying that people are acting like Steward is the messiah and that he will do spectacular things with Cotto, he won’t. 6-) Cotto isn’t getting stopped again. This is my fourth time posting this…does anybody want to bet 1 million points that Cotto DOES NOT get stopped again? My two cents. :boxing:

if cheato beats cotto cheato will have 2 wins vs cotto, 1 with plaster wraps and 1 without.

I won't be at all surprised and Margarito will get his full props from me. They're both past it, Margo's just a bad style match up for Cotto. I think Cotto CAN win, but it won't be easy... I just hope Margarito doesn't hurt his eye in sparring or something and delay the return of both guys...I feel like that's entirely possible.

I'm actually not confident in Cotto beating Margarito in the rematch because imo, Margarito is simply a bad matchup for Cotto. I know Margarito got his ass handed to him by Pacquiao but to me he showed he still has some left in tank. Cotto on the other hand looked terrible against Mayorga. He was hittable, footwork was slow and his handspeed appeared slower. He hasn't shown any improvements under Steward imo. Mayorga is a awkward guy to fight so i will give Cotto the benefit of the doubt. I just hope Steward can give Cotto a very good gameplan to help him beat Margarito but it won't be easy. Cotto did not look terrible in that fight with Mayorga. Go rewatch it. Cotto did not appear to be slower at all. He was beating Mayorga up. People just say he looked bad because of Mayorga's age and because Cotto didn't finish him off early in the fight. Its pretty pathetic.

Cotto on the other hand looked terrible against Mayorga. He was hittable, footwork was slow and his handspeed appeared slower. He hasn't shown any improvements under Steward imo. Cotto fought too aggressively against Mayorga, but it was part of his strategy to get Mayorga's respect, its just he took it too literal at times, and stayed in the pocket too long sometimes, that said, I didn't think he looked that bad, Mayorga didn't land much of anything significant when they were in center ring, Cotto stepped away from most of his wild ****. If you watch the fight, Mayorga only really looked dangerous when he backed Cotto up, but Cotto kept him in the middle of the ring for the most part, as that was part of the game plan, to keep him center ring, keep him turning, use the jab, utlize the straighter punches, but sit down on your shots when you see the openings, to get his respect, to make him respect the distance, otherwise he would of kept trying to come at Cotto. Only things Cotto did wrong, was languished in range too much at times, and had that round where he switched off momentarily.

I'm actually not confident in Cotto beating Margarito in the rematch because imo, Margarito is simply a bad matchup for Cotto. I know Margarito got his ass handed to him by Pacquiao but to me he showed he still has some left in tank. Cotto on the other hand looked terrible against Mayorga. He was hittable, footwork was slow and his handspeed appeared slower. He hasn't shown any improvements under Steward imo. Mayorga is a awkward guy to fight so i will give Cotto the benefit of the doubt. I just hope Steward can give Cotto a very good gameplan to help him beat Margarito but it won't be easy. What he said.....