Everything that needs to be said on this subject is in this post right here.
Just because GBP has a deeper roster doesn't mean Tim Bradley will make more money. Yeah Broner/Maidana and ShowTime is getting good ratings but Bradley is making more money than all of them. Bradley doesn't care about ratings. He cares about purses.
I just hope that if he in fact resigns with Top Rank, that he gets a very high contract minimum because there won't be a lot of career opportunities for him in the ring.
Don't you know that this is the choice staring Rigondeaux in the foreseeable future too. I would have to think that he would chose to test the waters with Showtime though and the plethora of pugalists they have via Golden Boy Promotions. He could stay relatively busy over there for the remainder of his career and earn considerably well as his name recognition grows by fighting frequently. He only has one fight left with HBO right?
Get him on the April 12th Top Rank PPV Manny Pacquiao vs.Tim Bradley undercard ASAP https://twitter.com/CaribeBoxing and let him have his day in the sun before he withers on the vine!!
Another easy win for Manny. I hope they at least put a decent undercard fight to get excited about, but its Top Rank card so most likely not.
I hope with all the hope I have in my heart that Rigondeaux gets first dibs on the undercard. He needs to get his Top Rank contract over and done with. Put him in with any world ranked 122 pounder and lets go!!!
Hopefully Terrazas.
I don't know if i'm making too much of it, but I noticed a few things that may be product of his amateur background: as intently focused as he is; he can get distracted.
I think that's why Diaz at one point demanded him to pay attention.
Little things that can be costly
1) He looks at the ref when the ref talks! Never noticed a boxer do that. Someone like floyd, or if nonito had been within range, coudl have landed something big
2) saw him come out of the corner with his eyes down, arranging his trunks, and what not, and in one round Nonito nearly caught him. Rigo, for god's sake, pay attention!
3) The KD was product of lack of pro experience. Came out of the clinch too relaxed, which allowed Donaire to hold him with his forearm and hit him as he was getting back too relaxed. Bit cheap by Donaire considering his previous spectacular KD's, but fair. It wasn't even an exchange.
Again, Terrazas, Mijares, maybe Vic
Great observations !! I made several of those same ones myself - that knockdown was completely avoidable and the end result of some dirty boxing on Donaire's part, but its Rigondeaux's responsibility to protect hiself at all times.
It's really not worth it to collect any other belts, just defend the two you've earned and save any additional sanction fees, especially IBF because they're the highest - everyone knows that he is the man and he can just rack up on spectacular stoppage after another at 122lbs until time dulls his reflexes
As a Donaire fan, I can't pretend that I liked the fight. But Rigo is a very talented guy, very fleet of hand and foot. Nonito should have really pressed for the KO in the 10th. Its the only chance he had in the whole fight. Rig had him under a neutralization blanket the whole rest of the fight. He needed to let his hands GO in the 10th. That was the most frustrating part of the fight for me, not Rigo's... "Creative evading", let's call it, whenever he felt the ropes anywhere near his back.
I was dissappointed in Donaire.. He gave Rigo too much respect. Rigo is to be respected, don't get me wrong, but not to the point where you are ceding momentum of the fight to him. Donaire, to me, had the most success going to Rigo's body. Each time he did he caused Rigo to reset. Aside from the KD, headhunting a giuy like Rigo is not so wise... He'll slip and slide out of your attacks. Easier to touch the body of a slick fighter.. That's what he should have done really pressed the body attack on this one.
Oh well.. Frustrating fight to watch overall. I'm not gonna pretend I enjoyed it so I can get a "boxing purist" merit badge. I know what I saw, and I don't need to prove it by agreeing with the HbO announcing team word for word, or acclaiming the thing as a "tense" fight. The only tenseness I felt was a mild anxiety because Nonito wouldn't throw his damn hands!
I made myself watch every replay on HBO's several channels with the last one just airing at midnight tonight. Donaire's offence did go into high gear in the 10th round and he finally rolled the dice by being overly aggressive, but Rigondeaux fired concussive counter lefts into his face several times that round as he made Donaire' chase him in desperation. In round 11 there was
a counter left that should have knocked Donaire's head off his shoulders the sound it made as Nonito got careless and ran into it. Then in round 12 his face finally busted due to yet another of myriad left power shots he ran into - if Donaire' had gone for broke earlier than round 10, I firmly believe his face would have just gotten busted up earlier and he would have been knocked out because he would have paid for his overly aggressive low-percentage attack.
Look, Nonito was being overly cautious and conservative for a reason - he didn't want to run into something serious like he did in round 12 and maybe end up face first like Pacquiao:boxing:
thumb in the eye, sore shoulder, not a good training camp, trouble with weight, cant focus with pregnant wife...did I miss any?
He should have kept his comments to his very first statement in his Kellerman interview. Everything he said after the second question was bull---- and could have been kept to himself. Now he's complaining about being thumbed in the eye . . . the same eye he was taunting Rigo about at the weigh-in staredown . . . the very same eye Rigo would have probably cracked earlier than the last round if Donaire hadn't been so cautious, confused and conservative before the championship rounds?
Does anyone here believe that Donaire would have finished the fight had his eye gotten busted open in round 8 rather than 12? After the first four rounds it was only a matter of time in my opinion and Donaire probably knew what Rigo was capable of too :boxing:
That's why Donaire was so cautious as Max Kellerman so astutely pointed out at the beginning of round six remember?
I really don't see anyone in or around Rigo's weight class beating him...the closest guys (and in this order)...
Mares
Mikey Garcia
Moreno
Garcia and Moreno are both boxers. Moreno is a brilliant boxer but he doesn't have the power. Garcia would give Rigo more trouble than Donaire but I think Rigo's speed would win out. Mares showed the blueprint on how to fight a superior boxer in his Moreno fight. He MADE Moreno fight his fight. Only problem is, Moreno has no power. Rigo would make Mares pay for his aggression, but I still say he has the best chance.
And to add to you analysis, I don't think another bantamweight in the world could have endured all those power shots Donaire's face received before finally cracking in the last round. Everyone else 122lb and under would have been stopped by round 6. Rigondeax can fight with greater offensive aggression from here on out and look to walk people down like he did Donaire in rounds 1-4 and 12 because he has the defensive reflexes and movements like that Mayweather shoulder roll in his arsenal.
He had to be cautious about pushing the issue with Donaire and it was the wise and mature decision to make - defense wins championships
^^^YES!!!! Donaire's eyes lit up after Rigondeaux initated that very first exchange where they both stood toe-to-toe and let their handa go - Rigondeaux knocked Donaire's ass into the ropes remember. The power and skill of Rigondeaux made Donaire's confidence evaporate and his insecurity made him gunshy because he knew by round two he was facing a mobile missile command which could take him out in Pacquaioesque fashion if he got overly aggressive
I don't see too many paths to victory for Rigondeaux.
I am a big fan of Rigondeaux more so because of principle. His boxing style, footwork, defense and craft are impressive. I'd like to see a guy with this style get more shine. But when you REALLY look at Rigo, and don't let his immaculate balance, footwork and speed blind you, there are some flaws that are all tailor made for Donaire to exploit.
- He likes to counter by stepping in with the left upper cut with his right hand WAY too low
- He winds up most of his punches (telegraphs)
- He doesn't really have a good right hook
- He doesn't really have a good jab
I am very scared for him should he get into a fire fight with Donaire because he actually is fairly easy to hit when in exchanges because of his low right hand.
He is almost completely dependent upon his ability to counter Donaire and the WAY he typically counters leaves himself open for the left hook. Donaire also has great power with his right hand.
I'm a fan of Donaire, but I'd like to see Rigo win, but the purely rational side of me actually says Rigo gets knocked out the more I really think about this fight.
If Rigondeaux is effectively assertive as he was against Teon Kennedy I feel such an excellent execution of defensive dominance will enable him to impose his superiority over Donaire
Canelo, Sergio, Pac-Man, Bradely, And Broner..
I Know He Wont Fight Broner, Or Serigo
But These Are The Fights I Wouldn't Mind Watching.
The following five fights are foreseable for Floyd based on past trends and the current landscape of his potential opposition:
September 2013 - Mayweather vs Alverez for his 154lb title he hasn't defended as of yet.
February 2014 - Mayweather vs Martinez for the linear and undisputed 160lb title because its a legacy fight and Martinez is ripe for the taking
June 2014 - Mayweather vs Bradley for the linear and undisputed 154lb title, provided Bradley is still undefeated of course
November 2014 - Mayweather vs Pacquiao for the linear and undisputed 154lb title because there is just too much money to be made here despite its lost luster.
May 2015 - Mayweather vs Pacquiao II for the linear and undisputed 154lb title because if its a very good and entertaining fight then why not retire with another mega-payday against the only other cashcow in the sport?
I can't speak about Robinson, but Duran would have suffered the same fate as he did against Sugar Ray Leonard in their second fight if he had fought Mayweather. Mayweather, at 130 had the same type of speed and power that Leonard had at 147. Duran would have gotten his a.ss scorched if he had stepped in the ring against Mayweather at 130.
You must be talking about Pedro Duran because Roberto Duran was an absolute monster at lightweight. He only lost to one dude and that lost was avenged by KO; Duran was 72-1 when he moved up to welterweight. He could think and adapt, he could box or slug, he could hurt you to the body and wasn't shy about throwing low blows either. People did not want to fight this guy . . . Duran was that serious problem that other fighters at 135 and under looked to avoid if they could . . . Mayweather would have avoided him like he was Kostya Tzsyu (and I love Floyd).
I doubt it, and even if he could Hamed was one the cash cows of HBO and that fight would be 126 lbs or no go.
He had options of Morales, Barrera, Tapia, Ayala and others in what was easily considered to golden era of featherweights.
HBO's Lou DiBella was all about making some PPV mega-fights and Naz vs. Floyd was on his agenda. People were growing tired of seeing Naz vs Slo-Jo from Boise-Idaho and then 11 months later vs No Name James from Ames, IA. If Naz had just managed to beat Barerra . . . Floyd at a 128 lb catchweight was net on HBO's agenda.
I Floyd would Humiliate SRL and Arron Pryor. Floyd's footwork would have him pouncing all around the ring, and have him jumping all overt their asses like a cornered wild cat. Arron is their to be KO'd. SRL has no defense. He just uses speed advantage to overwhelm opponents, and uses footwork to keep them from landing. But Floyd's footwork, range, footspeed, and size disadvantage, would have him moving waaaay faster in all areas. Floyd's defense, timing, and counterpunching makes him waaaay to complete for SRL. SRL has some good head movement, but once Floyd starts landing right hands, SRL would start abandoning his gameplan, and start trudging around the ring, flatfooted like he's looking for a KO. SRL is a GREAT fighter, with a much better legacy than Floyd's. But skillwise, we have to remember this is a WHOLE nother era with more complete fighters. SRL is from the older times, and I really dont see him being anything special compared to Floyd and Pac.
Tito Trinidad at 154lbs would give Floyd hell and just about anyone else not named Winky.
Duran was a very special fighter
and people seem to fail to realise how much bigger that damn ring was in the Sugar rematch - IT WAS AN ARENA!!!
Duran would be the craftiest fight Floyd ever had at 135lbs. I also like ODLH at135lbs to trouble anyone with his height and power.
Diego Corrales was top 5 p4p in January 2001. Rigo is going to have to win more titles in more weight classes before we can rank him above Leonard, Whitaker, Spinks but he is the best double olympic gold medalists to turn pro this century without question.
Hope he gets more support from HBO after he knocks out his October opponent - in my opinion he is perfect for HBO BAD this winter. Is there any bantamweight he shouldn't stop in seven? Mathebula? Hasegawa?
Floyd wins. Leonard's 70s/80s speed, skill and strength wouldn't be enough. Floyd is a prime example of the advances in training. He works longer and harder then anyone else, and has the skill to go with it.
Floyd's father taught Mayweather that style of boxing as a child and who beat Floyd's father?
Well he did say they're looking to match him with an aggressive fighter- I don't think this is a Russel JR type TBA- Remember HBO has little to no interest in Rigo, I think they're just trying to find the right opponent that HBO will think will make it an exciting fight. If that makes sense.
Then again, who is out there?
If Darchinyian and Donaire is HBO-approved at featherweight of all places then Rigon vs Darchinyian at junior featherweight is certainly greenlit? Put Donaire on as a co-main event to ensure a packed house and viewing audience and it builds up both Top Rank fighters for a rivalry return match in 2014 somewhere. It would have created guaranteed buzz down in FL to have a co-main event held in Tampa, Jacksonville or Miami featuring the Philipino and Latino fight fans. Bob Arum could offer post-fight bonuses for fight of the night like Dana White does for an added element of excitement
So this is the Rigon announcement Arum promised us three weeks ago? A december TBA?
If Arum had any integrity he wouldn't have given Rigon's mandatory contender to Donaire but rather would have created a co-main event with Rigon vs Darchinyian and Donaire vs Hasegawa for this fall in FL somewhere like Jacksonville, Miami or Tampa.
Top Rank already does!!!
No! If people started paying for fight like this then promoters would try and charge for any mediocre fight and as a result further alienate the casual fan base. Ppv would be ONLY for major boxing events with stacked cards.
Bob Arum has been charging $29.99 PPV for little known latin boxers for years and years now. Rigo vs. Mares is easily worth $19.99 PPV in my opinion, not just $9.99
Imagine both fighters giving just half their purse to the Philippines they would leave the biggest legacy in Sports History for humanity. If this fight was announced knowing half of the proceeds would go to helping typhoon victims it would break 3 million PPV.
The philanthrophy would be unprecedented if HBO & Showtime would put down their swords along with Top Rank and Mayweather. Even 20% of the purse and PPV proceeds would be tremendously beneficial to the typhoon victims. It would be a legacy event which would elevate both boxers to cosmic acclaim . . . statues would have to be constructed in their honor.
Sadly, there are no such heroes here amongst the aforementioned
I think it will be Agbeko. He has no promotional ties right now and if i remember correctly, is the only person to call out Rigo.
Hozumi Hasegawa has also announced his interest at a title shot with Rigo. I like that fight and HBO probably will too if it is proposed
CGNYC, you expecting a KO from Rigo here? I think he's a bit frustrated how things turned out after the Donaire performance.
Surely his coaches have been planning how to upgrade his offensiveness and increase his assertiveness - they know he can finish about any bantamweight in the world as well he should now. Top Rank has made HBO's expectations clear and looking at the landscape of the division those expectations of TKO and KO finishes are reasonable because there are no more giants in HBO's talent pool.
I hope Rigon delivers a spectacular all-round performance and secures a TKO stoppage by round five.
What do ya mean? Agbeko always throws that much, and the only time I remember him ever going down was against the hugely underrated Yohnny Perez. Even then it wasn't a bad knockdown and he wasn't too hurt. Apart from that he's never been hurt or down from memory.
Different division at 122lbs and different degree of defensive dominance in Rigon who will easily be the biggest natural puncher Agbeko has faced
They should have done that a few years ago.
Get him to fight every month, against some bums and build up an impressive record and following.
How has that worked out for Deontay Wilder and his Alabama audiences? Serious question - has he had any recent bouts in AL or MS?
Arum is not very credible to me. Why would he risk VL who most people don't even know prematurely against a guy who has a public beef with him and is quite likely to fire him in 2014 for his chief rival?
Unless VL gets half a dozen fights in him I simply don't see this proposed fight as plausible - who could VL even spar with let alone fight during a five fight novice period to properly prepare for GR?
Someone said Rigo only has two fights left with Top Rank if true Bob could be looking for a big payday from him before he leaves BUT it would ultimately be a very very foolish move. Even if Lomachenko beats Ramirez then a titlist throwing him in with Rigo for his 3rd pro fight is something else entirely. All the media attention gained in the first two fights could be lost immediately if a inexperienced Lomachenko loses to Rigo who could then go and sign with Golden Boy with the whole thing blowing up in Arums face.
I absolutely agree with all the aforementioned information and because Bob Arum knows this probable outcome too the Vasyl-Rigon dream match is nothing more than promotional hype. Arum knows Rigon is likely to leave him for Golden Boy and Showtime next year.
Do you mean black guys or specifically African-American, cos I got 8 or 9 black guys, (mainly Africans), but of those only a couple were North Americans also (Gardner and Greenidge).
Remember most of Golovkins career has been in Europe, and put simply, there just ain't as many African- Americans in Europe as there are in America.
Make sense?
I see where you're coming from but I just wonder if Bernard Hopkins has some inside information on if GGG's record is purposely tailored a bit. I very well could be wrong though so time will tell.
This is going to be a mismatch. Stevens has never faced a fighter the caliber of Golovkin, whereas GGG has dealt with heavy punchers numerous times throughout his career. Basically, I don't see anything in Stevens arsenal that Golovkin hasn't already seen before. This combined with GGG's ring generalship = mismatch.
Most of GGG's record consists of mediocre opposition; few fighters of Stevens profile ~ an experienced slugger in his physical prime with every ounce of middleweight power.
I watched his whole career on a youtube montage; asians, latinos and caucasians but very few Afro-Americans on it. Wonder if Bernard Hopkins was on to something?
Floyd and Rigo are so clearly the two best boxers in the world today. Save your Andre Ward, he's no where near but a rightful 3rd.
In my opinion Ward is 3x more boring than Rigon and its killing me that a healthy and hungry Rigon cannot get a HBO fight next month or this fall at all (SMDH). Top Rank gives Rigon's mandatory away to the guy he just beat convincingly and relegates the champ to the freezer:sad2:
He is a counter-puncher....a great one at that. I think there is a lot more to Rigo. It's true he uses a particular style but I believe it's used masterfully and he would be able to just as easily change up if need be
Rigon wasn't some one-dimensional counter-puncher when he traveled to Ireland to face Willie Casey. Floyd's performance was more skillful than Rigon vs Donaire because there was no knock-down due to inexperience on Floyd's behalf - but I gave Alvarez 3 or 4 rounds while only I gave two rounds to Donaire
It is really a question of which round. If Stevens sees the 7th round i'd be shocked. Stevens only has a punchers chance and he is a fast and very powerful puncher. However his skill set in no where near Golovkin's. I don't know whether to bet Golovkin 1-6 or pick either 1-3 or 4-6.
I will tell you which round ~ TKO round 2 for the new champion Curtis Stevens :boxing: