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dude understand what is going on since fight was announced at 152. floyd haters/manny fans/klit lovers/canelo fans are jumping up and down calling floyd and any fans that criticized CW's a hypoctite or flip flopper as they should. they are going so hard to deflect from the fact they are changing their position regarding 2lbs being a big deal (manny v cotto) and that CW's didn't give an advanatge. So there is essentially a big pool of murky, mucky scum that each group of hypocrites is desperately trying to be the first to escape. I personally don't mind catch-weights for non-title fights but I definitely do not like them for title fights. The title fight is still technically legit since the limit is within the weight divisions range. For the record: Manny's catch weights against Cotto and Tony were technically legit but I personally don't like them. PBF catch weight against Canelo is legit but I personally don't like it. Where I have the biggest issue is Floyd saying: "I fight fighters at their best weight" or "I consider Cotto undefeated because he was weight drained" The guy is a complete hypocrite and cannot be taken seriously in anything he says.

But why is he completely being set aside from the network? Surely you understand the amount of times boxers winning so-so decisions have been given another date on HBO. Because they are in the business of making money and they do not believe he can draw viewers. It may not be fair but for a business like HBO it's the bottom line!

I understand your opinion on this matter. But why the quick assumptions by HBO? It's the most basic assumption, I'm not one of those guys who wears tin foil hats and think that the world is a great conspiracy.

Lets try and keep our panties on dude....floyd is the most known for using that style as of late which is why i said floyds defense....clearly u missed the whole point of the thread which is how foolish berto looked using it. Lets stick to the subject plz and calm down its not that serious To be callin ppl tools. Lighten up You had no idea it was called a Philly Shell or Shoulder Roll defense did you?

I dont know if they think that , I think they are a lot smaller fighter and just want to hedge their bet a little its the professional thing to do from their perspective as they owe Canelo nothing , and Canelo called Floyd out but I dont see you bagging Canelo for picking on small fighters , but thats just the Floyd hater syndrome where no other fighter is put to the same standard Floyd is . Ahhh so just like when Manny fought Cotto at 145 and Tony at 150, he was the smaller fighter who wanted to hedge his bet a little, he owed Cotto and Tony nothing and was giving them a huge pay day correct?? Also Canelo is calling out another JMW champ, you know someone who fights in his weight division.

Didnt answer it , because the second fight he did owe Cotto ! Now also adding to the evidence Cotto had weight issues at 145 was the fact Manny called him out for a rematch which is very significant in all this , Cotto well established at JMW and says ok but no CW , now you tell me why Manny ran from the fight with no CW when he already beat the crap out the man and was the one calling him out , its still Cotto isnt it then why run Nope didn't owe Cotto a thing, he gave Cotto one of if not the biggest pay days in his career! He was still the money man and the draw in that fight, he calls the shots. Cotto could have gotten 154 if he gave up a few things, it's a negotiating tactic. You know like the ones Mayweather uses!

lol your one of dumbest in here lol , Cotto had moved to 154 for a number of fights that was his choice of weight , he wasnt a full blown big JMW he was a small one that aint ever making 147 again , the point is if Manny can beat him at 145 why couldnt he beat him in his new division , same man right ? You idiots have no clue of weight you actually own yourselves but are too busy handing out your cartoons and giggles to know your getting beat lol . Can Floyd beat Canelo at his real weight of 154? They're both champs there by the way.

if you feel that makes manny better or floyd worse fine. If floyd wins, i think canelo will have a loss same way I think cotto has a loss. if you feel better by saying canelo is undefeated because floyd said that about cotto to hype up his fight fine with me. my opinion isn't based on what is said. in the end, floyd has won titles at 147 and 154, manny at 145 and 151. nothing you post changes that. reports say canelo asked for 152 when he thought he wouldn't get the fight so your argument makes little sense. 145 is still WW and 151 is still JMW, it may not be at the limit, but by the rules it's still within the range.

I think anyone getting at floyd for being a hypocrite after what he said in the lead up to the cotto fight is justified in doing so. The question is are YOU calling him a hypocrite right now.

Because he is playing hardball , they called him out so he says ok 150 like you mouthed in the media you would take , they say that was then this now 154 he says 152 they all agree , if team Canelo they held out longer they probably would have the gotten 154 but would have been squeezed more on the money , its just the negotiation process between a WW and a JMW , you guys have no clue how it all goes , you just react to every whisper . And that's exactly what Manny was doing yet you hate him for it. Thanks for playing!

the difference is you can't shiiit on a WIN if the WIN hasn't happened yet. you can shiiit on the request for a CW the same. I haven't read all the messages on this thread so I'm assuming you're ****ting on Floyd's request for a CW when he specifically said that he wants to fight people at their best weight. Is this correct?

Lets just say Cotto was drained as the evidence suggests , as soon as Cotto left Arum he states he abused his body at 145 and was pressured to accept the CW , he moved up a division also showing he cant make 147 anymore . Now say he was really drained , then what Floyd said is right in a sarcastic kinda way leading into a fight at 154 in a promotional question and answer production . Now also adding to the evidence Cotto had weight issues at 145 was the fact Manny called him out for a rematch which is very significant in all this , Cotto well established at JMW and says ok but no CW , now you tell me why Manny ran from the fight with no CW when he already beat the crap out the man and was the one calling him out , its still Cotto isnt it then why run , answer it ? It's a negotiating tactic. Cotto could probably get the 154 but he has to give up some percentage or something else. Pac is still the money man in that fight so he calls the shots and doesn't owe Cotto anything... right??

Now your learning kid , 2-4 lb is different to fighters depending on how big they are , for instance 4lb to a MW is not the same as 4 lb to a LW , I thought even you dopey kids would know that , sheeese there is some boxing dumbness in here . So catch-weights are okay for JMW and above LOL!!

Its been down for mths you dickhead lol . By the way why did Manny CW some WWs but not others ? And just for interest why CW Cotto at 145 but allow Margo 150 ? this says clearly I dont want Cotto at 147 , doesnt make sense to be fine with 5 lbs Margos way , and then JMM must come to 147 ,, boy oh boy some manipulation going on with those matches . And then why call out Cotto which was by far the biggest money fight for him at the time only to run away when Cotto says sure thing but without a CW , he already beat the crap out of Cotto , maybe he knew Cotto was drained in the first fight ? You're right, now why does Mayweather who is a JMW champ ask another JMW champ to come down 2 lbs when he's publicly stated that he wants to fight people at their best weight.

Why did Manny fight some WWs with CWs and others without , why force Cotto to 145 but Margo is ok at 150 , answer those 2 kid ? I gots lots more questions that you will run from . 1) I think he only fought Miguel with a CW, it's negotiation tactics 2) He was playing hardball with Miguel, if team Cotto had held out longer they probably would have the gotten 147 but would have been squeezed more on the money , its just the negotiation process a small WW uses with his 2nd fight in the division. 3) The Marg fight was at JMW so I'm not sure how this is valid. Again it was a negotiation tactic, you know like the ones Mayweather uses. Boom!! Got anymore??

You could say that , the big problem was when you put all the elements together , starting at side stepping Foreman saying he was too big , digging up Margo who was of a beating and a 2 yr forced cheaters layoff , he had no fight and could not get a US license until Arum pulled some strings , then you have Margo using diuretics to make weight , a 26ft ring , illegal gloves , a weight of 150 for a 154 title ,,,, add it all up kid the Margo fight was the biggest BS paper title scam Ive ever seen at top level ! Tony had what a 5" height, 6" reach and 15 - 20 lbs on him come fight night and it wasn't fair for Tony? This is too much!! I say both Pac's and Mayweather's catchweights are a little sketchy, I'm consistent in my view and not a hypocrite like you. Cotto was legit negotiating a CW on paper in the beginning , for me Cotto didnt look right in the fight and the aftermath bolstered the idea the orignal CW effected Cotto , with Manny calling him out ( big significance ) and then running to a LW because Cotto would not abuse his body like that again his words with another CW , and Cotto the moment he was not tied to Arum saying the 145 CW killed him to make and that he was pressured into taking the 145 fight being promoted by the same guy as Manny and Manny being the lead star , next step Cotto leaves Arum , and here we are . Work it all out its not really that hard if you look at all that happened leading up to , during , and after the fact , as they say hindsight is 20/20 vision . So catchweights do hurt the opponent, Mayweather is trying to hurt and drain Canelo like Pac did to Cotto. Do you agree??

Is that what i said , the dumbness in here is amazing . Then please elaborate, IIRC Cotto weighed 146 for his fight with Clottey. He was asked to go down 1 more pound to 145. This was completely unacceptable correct? Canelo was asked to go down 2 pounds from his previous weigh in of 154. This is okay by you correct?

I have no idea , maybe maybe not , I think its a very risky fight for Floyd because of the weight difference and Floyd getting to the tail of his career , quite a few tangibles in this , yep they both champs and Floyd is a WW that beat a former LW and JWW for the title , not quite the same as fighting a full blown JMW , thats why they want a few pounds . Okay so you and I'm thinking Floyd are not confident of him beating Canelo at his natural weight, they have to catch weight him to have an advantage. Got it!

I will say it slow , Tony needed diuretics to make weight , go find out what that means , it doesnt matter how much you outweigh an opponent if you are weight drained from training to make weigh-in weight , training to make weight is not the same as training to win , Canelo may very well fall into this when he begins training for the fight , we dont know until fight time when we can see the fight and if anything has surfaced in the meantime like diuretics or IV fluid infusions . So what... isn't Pac just the smaller man hedging his bet against the much larger fighter? He was the money man in this fight, he doesn't owe Tony anything! If Tony didn't want it he didn't have to sign did he? So No CWs dont hurt everybody only some , it depends on who and what weight they must make at the time , the individual circumstance rule the day . I dont get how you guys are so rigid on a word , its like life is not like that but you guys just wrap up everything as the same deal , its not , each CW has its own set of dynamics bound by the individual fighter , that should be common sense but its obvious thats lacking here in kidsville . This is awesome! You're an MD now! So in your expert opinion both of Pac's CW were wrong and Mayweather who is doing the exact same thing is okay. Whatever happened to "I fight fighters at their most comfortable weight"

Here's Floyd and the boys dancin.

Now what ? PPV sales have been disappointing this year for UFC and now their main man is done. I wouldnt even bring this up if people on facebook and stuff wouldnt bust my balls about boxing being dead. Boxing had what 1.5, 1.4 million, and 600K buys for Pac, Mayweather, and Cotto. Good luck UFC ! Don't they have a real Network TV deal now with Fox?

why do allot of MMA fans hate Jones though? I keep up with both but i missed that train. Dude is polite respectful and a beast in the ring...?!?!? i don't get it. It's cause he's beaten up their favorite fighters, typical haters!

You act like you've lived a perfect life or have never had an argument with your parents or had an argument with a woman. And for your information Floyd plead no contest and took a plea deal which does not mean he is guilty. If he plead not guilty the case would've went to trial and the consequences would've been greater if he went to trial. You guys are so ignorant it's laughable. Ummm he plead guilty to a reduced battery domestic violence charge and no contest to two harassment charges.

Narvaez's guard was sky high all night, and everytime donaire made a move his tendency was to protect his face leaving his body completely open. All donaire had to do was jab jab his guard, and then step in with a straight to the body, and repeat until he lowered his hands. He did and the ref called it low. He also knew that Omar was on his lead leg waiting for a body attack to counter.

Or was the inevitable bound to happen? Hearns did break his right hand in the first round. I think Hagler would have got to him eventually but it's a damn shame that happened so early.

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He was cutting the same with JMM , didnt make him weak then ! You guys make up any BS as you go along . The taking blood makes me weak statement was fabricated to DUCK the Mayweather fight . I've cut weight a lot of times, some of them were easy and some of them did not go well, it depended on a lot of factors. Pac probably had a bad weight cut before the Morales fight and then psychologically blamed it on the blood being drawn.

So was he cutting weight then?or is he really small now??im confused..i thought he had to eat like 7 times a day to just make 147..if so then how was he cutting weight then? He was cutting a lot of weight when he was fighting at 126 - 130. He is a small WW in that he doesn't have to cut much if any to make 147. In a professional training camp I'd imagine that you would be burning a tonne of calories, 7 meals might be an exaggeration but i wouldn't be surprised if it was close.

Lol he thought hed be weak but now hes ok. Yea if he said so bro I dont buy that **** at all. In the Morales fight he was cutting 15 lbs, now he's not. If you've ever had to cut weight before you'd know what it does to you. Psychologically he linked his dehydration and his weakened state to the blood being drawn. Pretty silly for most of us but he's a superstitious weirdo sometimes and that's what he thought.

I know more about cutting weight than you can poke a stick at so dont pin medals on yourself when you dont know who your talking too . Your spin is not a reasonable conclusion because you have " NO evidence " to support it , NONE ! On the contrary the evidence proves he made the very same weight with no problems before and after Morales , he actually went up a division to fight Morales , so again your reaching into a hat full of BS looking for a back door key , just like Manny did when he invented his story 10yrs after the fact , and then 3 yrs after that he says he made a mistake and OST testing is all good to go now , dont need cut offs because I dont get weak now . Are you guys for real ! Cutting weight is not an exact science and all I can really do is go from my past experience, I've had great weight cuts and I've had horrible ones. It sounds like Manny had a bad weight cut then wrongly thought it was the blood being drawn that caused him to be weak. In fact how do you know that he didn't have problems making weight in the past, he's not going to exactly give that away to his opponent and the media.