Donaire/Narvaez and other weekend fights discussion/RBR/post fight

I'm not saying that Nonito should've thrown 1000 + punches. But, the kind of effort he is capable of simply wasn't there. FFS, can you tell me one area that Narvaez is better at compared to Nonito ? Nonito had every f**kin' advantage, size, reach, weight, punching power, boxing ability, speed and you're tellin' me that the guy with that much going for him is the one that had to be cautious, lmao. Nonito had every weapon at his disposal, and he all he could do was throw 1-2's all night. I realize the difficulty of fighting an opponent who simply wasn't willing to fight. But, d*mn, when you have every advantage, I expect more out of you, that's all there is to it !! Okay... Now tell me one fight where Donaire has gone at someone and steamrolled them, or manhandled them physically. He's a counter puncher, and when his opponent isn't giving him even one opportunity to capitalize on a mistake, then we get the fight we saw.

play safe? you kidding me right? Donaire's style is not like Pac's where he can pick apart by bulldozing him heck, Narvaez wouldn't even throw one even if Nonito's left is tied at his backI'm not saying that Nonito should've thrown 1000 + punches. But, the kind of effort he is capable of simply wasn't there. FFS, can you tell me one area that Narvaez is better at compared to Nonito ? Nonito had every f**kin' advantage, size, reach, weight, punching power, boxing ability, speed and you're tellin' me that the guy with that much going for him is the one that had to be cautious, lmao. Nonito had every weapon at his disposal, and he all he could do was throw 1-2's all night. I realize the difficulty of fighting an opponent who simply wasn't willing to fight. But, d*mn, when you have every advantage, I expect more out of you, that's all there is to it !!

I agree with Goblin's sentiments as well. My opinion has done a 180. Nonito is simply to blame for last night's borefest. And here are my reasons... a) Nonito chose to go back to 118 after a long layoff where he blew up to 145lbs. Hence the severe weight cut and suffering from cramps during the fight. - He should've just vacated his 118 belt(since that's what he's gonna do anyway) and returned to 122 or 126 and fought another undersized fighter w/ a nice looking record b) It was quite obvious that he could manhandle Narvaez, but, he decided to play it f**kin' safe against a guy who wasn't a f**kin' threat, WTF kinda strategy was that. Sh*t, Montiel and Darchinnyan were bigger KO threats to him. play safe? you kidding me right? Donaire's style is not like Pac's where he can pick apart by bulldozing him heck, Narvaez wouldn't even throw one even if Nonito's left is tied at his back

Brother, I found the best advice in your post. You should repeat this as mantra for Donaire. He should learn inside fighting and rough housing at the ropes to make a very defensive boxer to open up. He lacked inside fighting. He should learn from Brandon Rios what is inside fighting is all about.I agree with Goblin's sentiments as well. My opinion has done a 180. Nonito is simply to blame for last night's borefest. And here are my reasons... a) Nonito chose to go back to 118 after a long layoff where he blew up to 145lbs. Hence the severe weight cut and suffering from cramps during the fight. - He should've just vacated his 118 belt(since that's what he's gonna do anyway) and returned to 122 or 126 and fought another undersized fighter w/ a nice looking record b) It was quite obvious that he could manhandle Narvaez, but, he decided to play it f**kin' safe against a guy who wasn't a f**kin' threat, WTF kinda strategy was that. Sh*t, Montiel and Darchinnyan were bigger KO threats to him.

Donaire should have roughed him up on the inside and bully him into the ropes ffs Narvaez looked like a dwarf in the ring with him. Donaire should learn some inside fighting, he needs ask his buddy Andre Ward to school him. Brother, I found the best advice in your post. You should repeat this as mantra for Donaire. He should learn inside fighting and rough housing at the ropes to make a very defensive boxer to open up. He lacked inside fighting. He should learn from Brandon Rios what is inside fighting is all about.

Donaire should have roughed him up on the inside and bully him into the ropes ffs Narvaez looked like a dwarf in the ring with him. Donaire should learn some inside fighting, he needs ask his buddy Andre Ward to school him.

even Pac would look bad against Narvaez Nope, it's too different. Just like the Clottey fight, Pacquiao fought Clottey's fight and beat him at it by out-landing. Donaire fought Navarez fight and got tagged all day. I was lmao at the replays, "look at donaire just landed a clean hook" , and you see those shots being blocked and him getting countered. Navarez was simply going against too many odds, fighting a guy who's huge for 118 pounder, faster, and more powerful. What did you expect? a toe to toe battle? wanted Navarez to bang with nonito? please... Donaire should forget about these little guys and move up to 126-22lbs he's been struggling making weight since the beginning, this is just a waste of his time and the fans money.

donaire is a highly skilled fighter. he just isnt that smart. thats what last nite proved to me. say wat u want but he never, ever figured out how to take that little guy out. This right here. This is the most Donaire is at fault at. His corner did very little to change the game plan, all I can hear Garcia say is not to get cocky and will take the win if Narvaez don't want to fight.

There's nothing qrong with "covering on feints". In fact it's required. Do you know anything about boxing?? A proper feint is an indication that a boxer is going to throw. That he doesn't, and sees tat you react is why it's called a feint. Naervez was doind what any good boxer would do, not trusting that it was only a feint and not an incoming punch. He had the fight under control as far as I could see, with Donaire punchin air or gloves with about 90% of his punches. Donaire was also pretty well marked up, whilst Naervez was unmarked. How do you explain THAT???? I know what a feint is, and I know you don't just cover up, especially if you can see the feints. Why not strike before Donaire can get off? Oh that's right, he came to survive and not to win. Narvaez covers up so much, Donaire stuck his head out ala RJJ to entice this guy and all he did is cover still. Pathetic.

Its a fighter's job to to enter the ring to win. If he does anything but that, he gets no props. That's really there is to it, no ifs ands or buts... You can make it an ugly win ala Hopkins, but try to win nonetheless. Noone is paying you cover up and/or run all 12 rounds.

Narvaez earned my props. And he showed me how overrated Donaire is. donaire is a highly skilled fighter. he just isnt that smart. thats what last nite proved to me. say wat u want but he never, ever figured out how to take that little guy out.

i put gamboa ahead of him on the P4P list without a doubt. he's a nice boxer, big puncher, but has made his name in a weight class where he clearly doesn't belong. i don't think we'll be able to evaluate him fairly until he's at least fighting true 122 pounders, and maybe even 126. if he looks as dominant beating guys his size or bigger then we'll know he's the real thing.

I can understand why Narvaez would just want to survive. Like the commentators kept saying, he can just go back down to 115 and defend his belt after this. Still, I just hate to see fighters only show up to survive. That's a big stage he just crapped the bed on. Even in getting knocked out, if he had used the frustrations his style forced on Donaire to take some chances, fans really would have been interested in seeing him in the future, whereas now he'll fall under the Clottey category of guys no one wants to see on TV again. That's ok too. Me, I just know that that overmatched little guy made the final bell. It's not like he ran anywhere, he stood his ground the entire fight. He displayed great great defense. Under the circumstances he did amazing IMO.

I'm a realist, you understand? Narvaez had no chance of winning. In boxing there are plenty of fighters that once they realize that they cannot win, try to make it to the final bell. It is actually a badge of honor for a thoroughly overmatched opponent to do so against a superior fighter. That is what the little guy did. I don't by into the fans will never want you to fight again crap, because I can name quite a few fighters that are champions that fight guys that I couldn't even begin to understand how they even got a title shot. I can understand why Narvaez would just want to survive. Like the commentators kept saying, he can just go back down to 115 and defend his belt after this. Still, I just hate to see fighters only show up to survive. That's a big stage he just crapped the bed on. Even in getting knocked out, if he had used the frustrations his style forced on Donaire to take some chances, fans really would have been interested in seeing him in the future, whereas now he'll fall under the Clottey category of guys no one wants to see on TV again.

Donaire is one of those fighters that shines in the biggest fights. He has some average performances against guys he knows he'll beat, but when you throw him in with the bigger names he looks like the p4p guy he is.

This was his chance to impress though, and he blew it. Narvaez won't get that chance to become known ever again now. It's better to go out on your shield and leave knowing you've done everything you could than accept a loss and make fans never want to watch you ever again. I'm a realist, you understand? Narvaez had no chance of winning. In boxing there are plenty of fighters that once they realize that they cannot win, try to make it to the final bell. It is actually a badge of honor for a thoroughly overmatched opponent to do so against a superior fighter. That is what the little guy did. I don't by into the fans will never want you to fight again crap, because I can name quite a few fighters that are champions that fight guys that I couldn't even begin to understand how they even got a title shot.

if you compare him to Pac, yeah you could say he is a bit overrated. Pac set a standard too high that we all think Martinez and Donaire would just destroy and dominate like they were amateurs the way Pac did..Donaire is pretty good, not overrated..we all just need to see him fighting in a higher division without that much height advantage..if Narvaez was bigger like Clottey to Pac, Donaire would look even worst. not Doanire's fault that Narvaez didnt come to win. he came to survive.

Its a fighter's job to to enter the ring to win. If he does anything but that, he gets no props.

I'm just LOL'ing that the same posters who spam about Sergio being "exposed" as a bum by Barker are now jumping to the defense of Donaire...seriously, pactards are the shallowest most transparent posters on here. Now while I agree with you, not all Donaire fans are like that. I'm a Donaire fan & a Martinez fan & a former Pacman fan. I understand that great fighters can look bad against certain opponents, when you fight good fighters that kinda stuff does happen. Martinez overcame some early problems to stop his man, Donaire won 10 rounds of his fight, IMO,both did what they were supposed to.

I'm a Donaire fan & I still say props to the little guy. 25-1 underdog, smaller, weaker & slower. It was good to see him exhibit his defense. He lost almost every second of the fight but he made it. I don't blame him for fighting how he did, I'm also not mad because Donaire did not get the ko. Donaire found his way to win, the little guy made him work. Just like the old saying in boxing, win today look good tommarow. This was his chance to impress though, and he blew it. Narvaez won't get that chance to become known ever again now. It's better to go out on your shield and leave knowing you've done everything you could than accept a loss and make fans never want to watch you ever again.