really what, as I said a while ago now, his scalps at MW are better than GGG's so if you are arguing he couldnt cut it as a MW then you are arguing GGG was worse.
just deal with the posts made, dont duck em man, instead of making me write it twice, thats irritating.
Yeah well you are annoying because you apparently can't comprehend simple English.
DreamFighter must be new here. These Borat CUCKS like TonyGe are incapable or refuse to look objectively at anything...because that would cause them to change their mind. To them prime GGG is the GOAT mostly bc he was white and a Trump supporter.
Hilarious stuff
Barrett Sniper? Damn, is Deontay planning on killing some cars? Pretty much an anti-material rifle.
EDIT: I really really want to make some joke about needing one to make Fury stay down but I can't think of a way to do it tastefully...:lol1:
Canelo whipped Borat in the rematch
I wouldn't exactly say a 'gift'...but I would agree that Sergei would have a very tough time winning the fight on the cards, regardless of what he did. I think it is possible to get him to 7 rounds (live I had it 6-6 so can't be mad if someone found 7 for Sergei). On rewatch I don't think Sergei's activity advantage was as great as I originally thought and I scored it 7-5 to GGG.
I think Sergei looked better than expected and worked GGG as much as anyone has, so I think there were some bonus points thrown his way a little bit, but not much. Contrast that to say Canelo, who would get outworked by GGG almost every round but some try and give him 7 or so rounds one or either of those fights. I think many who don't like GGG seem to only score his opponent's work and not his.
He fought a hell of a fight and if not for the KD and for GGG landing some big shots throughout some of the rounds where he was getting outworked, it could have been a more decisive result for Sergei.
I'm pretty sure that I've seen that most still feel GGG won the 2nd fight as well. And then about half of the rest feel it was a draw and then the rest feel it was a Canelo win. Like 60-20-20.
As I've said before, I just don't see how anyone can find 6 or 7+ rounds for Canelo in either fight. He got outworked almost every round, and I can't find one round in either fight where he outworked GGG and landed the best shot or shots of the round - which would make it a clear round for him.
I don't hate Canelo at all. I was impressed with him in both fights to be honest. I thought his stamina would let him down in fight 1 but he boxed well enough, just lost 8-4, no shame in that. That's still a good fight.
Fight 2 he fought even better but still with limited output and I ended up with the same 8-4 score to GGG. But Canelo held the ring with GGG all night, and that was something we've never seen before. I was impressed, but I still have to score GGG's work just like I score Canelo's.
I think Canelo was in his prime vs GGG in those fights; GGG I don't think he was. It is arguable when GGG's prime was. I think he has aged well enough, but I would say about 30-33 was his prime, where his physical was still basically all there and the mental was at a high level.
I don't think GGG was tremendously off of his peak for the Canelo or Jacobs fights though. Those 3 fights were against guys who were somewhat slick, could punch, could box, and were determined to go 12 rounds. I had all 3 fights 8-4 to GGG so I don't think that is a big difference from what those may have been earlier in GGG's career against those same guys.
It took him 8 rounds to break down Lemieux and Stevens, and 7 for Adama and Rosado. 11 for Murray. Even 10 for Ouma (though that may have been before his top level; but I think Ouma was tough as nails and had a decent gameplan to win, though he paid for it dearly with his health).
GGG's talent is not necessarily being this 1 punch monster; but he was a break you down fighter who would wear you down with volume, and every punch seemed to hurt. And he would always score with his jab, which is a great punch. So him winning every round while breaking down Lemieux or Stevens in 8; I don't see him tremendously off that level by imo winning 8-4 vs Jacobs and Canelo and breaking them down, just not at the same level. But those 2 guys are 2 levels above Lemieux and 3 above Stevens.
But yeah I don't see how Canelo could be much better in a few years than what he is. Mainly because he has already been pro for like 15 years and his body is seemingly starting to fail him. To me Canelo-GGG was Canelo 100% prime vs GGG 85-90%. I don't know what Canelo will be in 5-6 years but I fear he may be retired at that point.
Sergei beat GGG by a wider margin than GGG beat Canelo in the 1st fight. And thats INCLUDING the rabbit punch KD
I don`t see it that way. They both struggled with top competition.
And no, 50 years old alcoholic Kovalev is not top competition.
What is Canelo`s career defining win? Is it close win against GGG or Lara?
Saying GGG is not ATG but Canelo is, is just stupid. tell me who is your best win and I tell you who you are.
If GGG is not very good, Canelo also can`t be very good. You don`t prove you are good if you beat average guys.
Neither are ATG but Canelo is indeed a better fighter than GGG. Canelo beat Jacobs without controversy and didnt lose to Dervenchenko. Canelo also had clear wins over Cotto and Kovalev.
Canelo was down for an immediate 3rd fight w/ GGG but he refused. So GGG is the one ducking. Canelo is in his head and GGG doesnt want the work.
And since everyone says the Kovalev fight was a joke. Why didnt any other MW want it? Shouldve been an easy win the way Borat stans make it sound around here.
Why didnt Borat fight Kovalev? He wasnt good enough, thats why.
It was glorious but I agree with satir. Let's see what else 2020 has left.
It's hard to see it right now, but it would be crazy satisfying if Wilder did pull off a KO on Fury.
How the hell would Wilder beating Fury be satisfying?
You drunk off black dick, boy?
It was crazy satisfying that clown got hammered by a slob old white Gypsy. THAT was satisfying !
Danny's going to knock his dick in the dirt. No way a boxer comes out of an accident like that the same.
Spence is dumb enough to not realize the magnitude and his chin should be okay
It's easy to 'step up' and make fights (and get fights made) when you're the super A side who calls all the shots and pays everyone very well for their troubles (and pays them for the loss if it is at all close). To argue against that is supreme fan-boy BS
Are you talking about the Dervenchenko fight again? Because, yeah, GGG got a gift and mustve been paying those refs some of that DAZN money
No I said the same thing when the fight was announced between Trinidad and Hopkins. When they put Trinidad as the favorite over Hopkins I was laughing. It was plainly obvious that Trinidad who enjoyed a size and power advantage over most of his opponents had no chance to beat Hopkins. Those advantages did not apply to Hopkins. He was too smart and durable to lose to Trinidad. Your buddy Dreamer is too lazy to go look up the fight record of Trinidad. He's been dropped numerous times by fighters in a lower weight class. His record at Middleweight and above is not good. He lost to Wright, Hopkins and Jones. All outstanding fighters. However in his losses he was not competitive. His biggest asset was his power and against these guys he could not hurt them enough to stop the beat down or to really get into a possible winning position. No he would not beat all the guys that Golovkin beat. He's in a weight class that didn't suit him when he moved up.
Well GGG loses to all of BHop, Jones, and Wright too. And Trinidad probably beats him straight up.
Trinidad definitely beats Canelo and Dervenchenko but the Jacobs fight might be tough
What kind of bull**** is that? GGG is one of the most dominant middleweights in recent memory. He was a P4P great for quite a few years and really tore up the division until his fights with Canelo put a dent in that domination. But it's absurd to claim GGG is not an ATG middleweight. He could hang in there with the likes of Hagler, Monzon, B-Hop... name anyone and GGG could fight them.
...based on what? His resume is full of Vanes, Rolls, and Szermeta level fighters. The handful of fights he DID step up and fight elite competition he was very ordinary.
The Jacobs fight was razor close and the HBO broadcast team - the guys bigging GGG up - had it for Jacobs.
Canelo 1 shouldve been a 7-5 win for GGG but the draw wasnt outrageous. Canelo 2 probably shouldve been a draw but 7-5 either way was acceptable. Nonetheless Canelo is NOT an ATG MW and GGG couldn't separate himself from Canelo...
Dervenchenko beat GGG. There's no other way around it.
So GGG is officially 2-1-1 in his biggest career fights but should be 1-2-1.
Ya..."ATG material". All smoke and mirrors...
When PBC made its debut in the Spring of 2015, their top names were Deontay Wilder, Adrien Broner, Leo Santa-Cruz, Keith Thurman, Danny Garcia, the Charlo twins and Shawn Porter.
Spence Jr. and Davis were still making a name for themselves. Mikey Garcia and Manny Pacquiao had yet to join the roster.
I think their plan was to make them all be PPV stars by getting their names out on network TV. All these guys headlined shows on Fox, NBC, CBS, ESPN, Sp!ke, Bounce TV and Showtime from 2015 thru 2019. As the year comes to a close that will have happened.
-Deontay Wilder vs Tyson Fury (2018; 2020) and Luis Ortiz (2019). A possible 3rd match with Fury may be scheduled before the year is up as well.
Adrien Broner vs Manny Pacquiao (2019)
-Errol Spence Jr vs Mikey Garcia (2019), Shawn Porter (2019) and Danny Garcia (2020)
Keith Thurman vs Manny Pacquiao (2019)
Jermell Charlo vs Jeison Rosario (2020)
Jermall Charlo vs Sergiy Derevyanchenko (2020)
Gervonta Davis vs Leo Santa-Cruz (2020)
2018 - One PPV
2019 - Five PPVs
2020 - Four PPVs
Only David Benavidez has yet the headline his own show yet, which I'm sure will take place in 2021 vs Caleb Plant. He's in the next group of PBC'ers with the mentioned Caleb Plant and other young champs.
Six years later...
Wilder is a hypejob
Broner is a gatekeeper
Thurman, Porter, and Spence are contenders and belt holders
Mikey isnt with PBC anymore and hes irrelevant
LSC has a huge fight coming up
Danny Garcia is a gatekeeper
Man PBC is #LIT !!!
I would bet on Lil G to win regardless of his current age.
Same. Hes got as much heart as he does power and hes smarter than he gets credit for.
Until i see him lose ill take him to win. And the Dervy fight was close either way
He turned down fights with both Jermell and Korobov.
https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/11893964/demetrius-andrade-drops-scheduled-defense-jermell-charlo
thaboxingvoice.com/andrade-passes-on-middleweight-title-shot-korobov-to-fight-saunders-instead/
On the Andrade Charlo card, Demetrius was literally the lowest paid fighter out of every fight. He demanded more money and negotiations fell through. Good move by Demetrius.
So you think choosing BJS over Korobov is a duck?? You really are one of the worst posters here
What a strange obsession some "fans" have. Nobody is forcing you or anyone else to watch Floyd fight midgets, senior citizens, or Logan Paul. He's only able to do it because of how famous he is and you people in particular keep him relevant.
Its an exhibition match and not an official fight so how could it be an insult to boxing or MMA? Boxing and MMA are both programs in the entertainment industry and this exhibition will also be entertainment.
Dont like it or support it? Dont watch it or buy it. The more you talk about Floyd, in support or against, the more he can do fights like these.
Also, 48-0 really ruined some lives and fucked some people's minds up
Boxrec’s rankings are a JOKE and everyone knows it and no one takes it seriously.
The Ring’s rankings have 100+ years of history and have been the go-to rankings for their entirety.
To say it’s the opposite is asinine and borderline retarded.
......Are you new or something?
This guy is such a cuck
Boxrec’s are irrelevant.
Ring’s are respectable.
It's the opposite but ok.
RJJ is a known clown. Dude is a weird pro-Trump/antifa hybrid.
Its no wonder he cant tell left from right
Cotto. And its not close
Prime Keith almost got KTFO by literal journeyman in Josesito Lopez and Luis Collazo in addition to 46 year old Manny. And Keith has been hurt by body shots how many times??? And what was Cottos bread and butter? That's right, hook to the liver.
Cotto TKO
Im a big fan of floyd but yes this is a insult to boxing. Why is a man who has boxed his whole life fought and defeated many world champions and legends fighting a youtube star who has already lost to another youtube star. Floyd is a representation of boxing and he is ruining the integrity of the sport by fighting people with 5/6 months of boxing training whilst hes been involved in boxing for 30 years. He might as well fight justin bieber and mia khalifa since those are 2 well known names? Hes tarnishing the sport. If he wants a exhibition he should have a go karting race or a football match or something.
Boxing is literal prize fighting and, like the McGregor fight, Floyd is getting paid a lot of money for scrimmages. Why not ? I would if I was Floyd
Besides hes 44 years old and definitely dont need someone to sign a permission slip lol...dude can do what he wants.
Dont like it? Dont watch it and dont buy it.
Weird white people crying. Still
Mosley was after Hatton
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/_DuapU_0qNMw/S8dIzjhq8aI/AAAAAAAABdI/InydqLIuNgE/s1600/TALE+OF+THE+TAPE.jpg
Ortiz was also taller
https://bizzyblanco.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/mayweather-vs-ortiz-tale-tape.png
so post Hatton who are these long armed tall boxers he was ducking?
You cant beat the Floyd haters. 48-0 RUINED people...for LIFE.
You mean he fought the unproven top guys of today, the top guys today have not proven themselves like the top guys of the last era thats the point.
This era hasnt settled in yet what super fights have their been, does Porter Spence qualify as a super fight like say Oscar vs Mosley, I dont think so.
The best of any given time is not equal to the best of another time just on face value, thats why winning a belt does not mean sht on its own, who you beat and when you beat them makes it great or just a high value trinket.
The problem is most people on this forum are simple and dont understand your point.
If all fighters at WW today are C level or lower (which they are) and a few emerge as superior that doesnt make them A fighters. Rather theyre C+, B-, or maybe even a B.
Crawford is the only one who might be B+ cause this is his 3rd weight class and hes never had a close fight yet...in addition to passing the eye test
Nah.
Just because you can't relate to men with competitive spirits doesn't mean they should stop speaking with confidence and hyperbole.
Who are you to say who's willing to die in the ring, or not? This is also a combat sport, a blood sport. May of us love the violence, the blood, the drama, the risks. We applaud those statements we don't condemn them.
Nah. No fighter actually wants to die in the ring or is literally willing to die in the ring. Its a stupid phrase and they're point is to intimidate but it falls flat
How’s that, cunt?
Do you support Boxrec’s rankings?
Definitely. At least boxrec isnt LITERALLY OWNED by a SINGLE PROMOTIONAL company. No bias in BoxRec rankings even if their "algorithm" isnt yet a finished product.
Well its obvious your h0m0sexual love for floyd is apparent since you care more about him than the integrity and the honor of the sport, I wont buy it nor will iwatch it, qu33r.you enjoy jacking it to watching a 44 year old fighting a youtuber while i put my money into watching fighters fighting other fighters in their prime. By the way i aint white, why do you woke blax feel you can address others by their race but play the victim when you get called what you are? Go watch another sport phag boxing isnt for u
Integrity and honor? Youre literally crying that a Top 10-15 ATG is fighting a Youtube fighter in an exhibition when hes 44 years old and hasnt fought professionally in over 5 years...and youre whining about integrity and honor?
You have none. Floyd beat Pacman and it was a competitive but easy fight.
And if you're crying about it you're probably a bum or have no friends.
:dunno:
I make $80k US and my boys and I laugh at this price. Two of us have DAZN and one has ESPN+, but to each their own
Spence also believes in glovegate
so don't take what he says seriously
Spence is just a pro black racist
When hes not getting blackout drunk hes avoiding Terrence Crawford
And Spence is the one who isnt "special". Some people legitimately had Porter beating Spence even with the KD.
Spence isnt a hypejob but hes far from special
Loma doesnt sell well and Lopez has mo brand yet.
LSC is established and Mexican American and Tank has a good advertising scheme w/ Mayweather Promotions. Actually all this rioting in stuff will probably be spun in Davis benefit for attracting fans in the training camp show
LW is in a golden era as they have those 4 PLUS Garcia and Haney and that doesnt include Linares or all the top available contenders. Best division in boxing imho
im a baldomir fan so what win was that that ruined me? 36 or something
No it was 48. You've been ruined for some time now and its hilarious.
Get a grip mate XD