Why Canelo fans pretend like Canelo is on higher level than GGG

Canelo's match making and weight clauses are better than GGG. On paper he has a better resume until you look at the contractual weights. Still Canelo is one of the top p4p fighter and the cash cow. I thought that he lost both fights agains GGG but I am not upset for the results. Close competitive fights.

I don`t see it that way. They both struggled with top competition. And no, 50 years old alcoholic Kovalev is not top competition. What is Canelo`s career defining win? Is it close win against GGG or Lara? Saying GGG is not ATG but Canelo is, is just stupid. tell me who is your best win and I tell you who you are. If GGG is not very good, Canelo also can`t be very good. You don`t prove you are good if you beat average guys. I think Alvarez fans have to say Canelo is the superior fighter because if a 27 year old Alvarez wasn't superior to a 35 year old Golovkin, what would a 27 year old Golovkin have done to Alvarez? Of course despite the age difference the two fighters were separated by just one round in the 24 rounds they fought and neither fighter was able to dominate, so fans can draw their own conclusions about a hypothetical meeting between the two fighters at age 27.

I wouldn't exactly say a 'gift'...but I would agree that Sergei would have a very tough time winning the fight on the cards, regardless of what he did. I think it is possible to get him to 7 rounds (live I had it 6-6 so can't be mad if someone found 7 for Sergei). On rewatch I don't think Sergei's activity advantage was as great as I originally thought and I scored it 7-5 to GGG. I think Sergei looked better than expected and worked GGG as much as anyone has, so I think there were some bonus points thrown his way a little bit, but not much. Contrast that to say Canelo, who would get outworked by GGG almost every round but some try and give him 7 or so rounds one or either of those fights. I think many who don't like GGG seem to only score his opponent's work and not his. He fought a hell of a fight and if not for the KD and for GGG landing some big shots throughout some of the rounds where he was getting outworked, it could have been a more decisive result for Sergei. I'm pretty sure that I've seen that most still feel GGG won the 2nd fight as well. And then about half of the rest feel it was a draw and then the rest feel it was a Canelo win. Like 60-20-20. As I've said before, I just don't see how anyone can find 6 or 7+ rounds for Canelo in either fight. He got outworked almost every round, and I can't find one round in either fight where he outworked GGG and landed the best shot or shots of the round - which would make it a clear round for him. I don't hate Canelo at all. I was impressed with him in both fights to be honest. I thought his stamina would let him down in fight 1 but he boxed well enough, just lost 8-4, no shame in that. That's still a good fight. Fight 2 he fought even better but still with limited output and I ended up with the same 8-4 score to GGG. But Canelo held the ring with GGG all night, and that was something we've never seen before. I was impressed, but I still have to score GGG's work just like I score Canelo's. I think Canelo was in his prime vs GGG in those fights; GGG I don't think he was. It is arguable when GGG's prime was. I think he has aged well enough, but I would say about 30-33 was his prime, where his physical was still basically all there and the mental was at a high level. I don't think GGG was tremendously off of his peak for the Canelo or Jacobs fights though. Those 3 fights were against guys who were somewhat slick, could punch, could box, and were determined to go 12 rounds. I had all 3 fights 8-4 to GGG so I don't think that is a big difference from what those may have been earlier in GGG's career against those same guys. It took him 8 rounds to break down Lemieux and Stevens, and 7 for Adama and Rosado. 11 for Murray. Even 10 for Ouma (though that may have been before his top level; but I think Ouma was tough as nails and had a decent gameplan to win, though he paid for it dearly with his health). GGG's talent is not necessarily being this 1 punch monster; but he was a break you down fighter who would wear you down with volume, and every punch seemed to hurt. And he would always score with his jab, which is a great punch. So him winning every round while breaking down Lemieux or Stevens in 8; I don't see him tremendously off that level by imo winning 8-4 vs Jacobs and Canelo and breaking them down, just not at the same level. But those 2 guys are 2 levels above Lemieux and 3 above Stevens. But yeah I don't see how Canelo could be much better in a few years than what he is. Mainly because he has already been pro for like 15 years and his body is seemingly starting to fail him. To me Canelo-GGG was Canelo 100% prime vs GGG 85-90%. I don't know what Canelo will be in 5-6 years but I fear he may be retired at that point. Sergei beat GGG by a wider margin than GGG beat Canelo in the 1st fight. And thats INCLUDING the rabbit punch KD

Are you talking about the Dervenchenko fight again? Because, yeah, GGG got a gift and mustve been paying those refs some of that DAZN money I wouldn't exactly say a 'gift'...but I would agree that Sergei would have a very tough time winning the fight on the cards, regardless of what he did. I think it is possible to get him to 7 rounds (live I had it 6-6 so can't be mad if someone found 7 for Sergei). On rewatch I don't think Sergei's activity advantage was as great as I originally thought and I scored it 7-5 to GGG. I think Sergei looked better than expected and worked GGG as much as anyone has, so I think there were some bonus points thrown his way a little bit, but not much. Contrast that to say Canelo, who would get outworked by GGG almost every round but some try and give him 7 or so rounds one or either of those fights. I think many who don't like GGG seem to only score his opponent's work and not his. He fought a hell of a fight and if not for the KD and for GGG landing some big shots throughout some of the rounds where he was getting outworked, it could have been a more decisive result for Sergei. You may not agree with the second outcome or like it but most people feel Canelo won that one, me included. First is definitely debatably GGG’s. The response was in regards to flipping the ages around. You don’t actually think a Canelo from 6 years from now would lose to the GGG that was 4 years or so apart from ever being with Abel, do you? You don’t have to love Canelo to go “wait a min...” There’s no hoops here. It’s logic. We don’t know how good Canelo is in 6 years...but we DO know what GGG was like ten+ years ago. And that version didn’t show atg like refinement quite yet. (I do think they’re both atg caliber. My nostalgia glasses arent that f ucked up that I can’t admit that. They’d definitely belong in the ring with the atgs) In this scenario, GGG’s prime might as well be a myth because we never got to see him at his “peak” against a fighter of his own caliber. The GGG we saw against Canelo may very well be the best version of GGG we’ll ever see because it’s the only time he could truly display it. But random dudes who hate Canelo aren’t ready for that conversation. :/ I'm pretty sure that I've seen that most still feel GGG won the 2nd fight as well. And then about half of the rest feel it was a draw and then the rest feel it was a Canelo win. Like 60-20-20. As I've said before, I just don't see how anyone can find 6 or 7+ rounds for Canelo in either fight. He got outworked almost every round, and I can't find one round in either fight where he outworked GGG and landed the best shot or shots of the round - which would make it a clear round for him. I don't hate Canelo at all. I was impressed with him in both fights to be honest. I thought his stamina would let him down in fight 1 but he boxed well enough, just lost 8-4, no shame in that. That's still a good fight. Fight 2 he fought even better but still with limited output and I ended up with the same 8-4 score to GGG. But Canelo held the ring with GGG all night, and that was something we've never seen before. I was impressed, but I still have to score GGG's work just like I score Canelo's. I think Canelo was in his prime vs GGG in those fights; GGG I don't think he was. It is arguable when GGG's prime was. I think he has aged well enough, but I would say about 30-33 was his prime, where his physical was still basically all there and the mental was at a high level. I don't think GGG was tremendously off of his peak for the Canelo or Jacobs fights though. Those 3 fights were against guys who were somewhat slick, could punch, could box, and were determined to go 12 rounds. I had all 3 fights 8-4 to GGG so I don't think that is a big difference from what those may have been earlier in GGG's career against those same guys. It took him 8 rounds to break down Lemieux and Stevens, and 7 for Adama and Rosado. 11 for Murray. Even 10 for Ouma (though that may have been before his top level; but I think Ouma was tough as nails and had a decent gameplan to win, though he paid for it dearly with his health). GGG's talent is not necessarily being this 1 punch monster; but he was a break you down fighter who would wear you down with volume, and every punch seemed to hurt. And he would always score with his jab, which is a great punch. So him winning every round while breaking down Lemieux or Stevens in 8; I don't see him tremendously off that level by imo winning 8-4 vs Jacobs and Canelo and breaking them down, just not at the same level. But those 2 guys are 2 levels above Lemieux and 3 above Stevens. But yeah I don't see how Canelo could be much better in a few years than what he is. Mainly because he has already been pro for like 15 years and his body is seemingly starting to fail him. To me Canelo-GGG was Canelo 100% prime vs GGG 85-90%. I don't know what Canelo will be in 5-6 years but I fear he may be retired at that point.

that's a thought train that canelo fan's don't like to hear, their prime guy lost to a mid 30's ggg and maybe scrapped a win in the rematch, ouch

- -U mean Ol' unbeaten, untied record setting top p4p ranked GGG? What grade U in? I can honestly say that GGG should be unbeaten and untied in all of his fights I've seen. Only debatable one imo was vs Sergei and I had it 6-6 live and 7-5 GGG on rewatch. If someone gave Sergei 7 rounds live though, can't be mad at them for that. Pretty impressive to be his age and 'resume', and be legit undefeated and untied though, regardless of what a few corrupt judges have to say. Not many can make a claim for that. That’s nice! Canelo paid him to act like a betch while fans see and acknowledge that the Mexican is the better fighter. That’s what happens when creep around 160 your whole life while claiming 154-168 was easy! GGG was a fraud to his fans. :) Whatever helps you sleep at night bud

Canelo in his prime couldn't even (legit) beat an old GGG lol...what are you smoking with that drivel...the hoops some people have to jump through.... You may not agree with the second outcome or like it but most people feel Canelo won that one, me included. First is definitely debatably GGG’s. The response was in regards to flipping the ages around. You don’t actually think a Canelo from 6 years from now would lose to the GGG that was 4 years or so apart from ever being with Abel, do you? You don’t have to love Canelo to go “wait a min...” There’s no hoops here. It’s logic. We don’t know how good Canelo is in 6 years...but we DO know what GGG was like ten+ years ago. And that version didn’t show atg like refinement quite yet. (I do think they’re both atg caliber. My nostalgia glasses arent that f ucked up that I can’t admit that. They’d definitely belong in the ring with the atgs) In this scenario, GGG’s prime might as well be a myth because we never got to see him at his “peak” against a fighter of his own caliber. The GGG we saw against Canelo may very well be the best version of GGG we’ll ever see because it’s the only time he could truly display it. But random dudes who hate Canelo aren’t ready for that conversation. :/

Canelo at his very prime had 2 close fights with old GGG. What a legend! The same GGG that everyone said Canelo would never fight at 160 and wouldn’t last 5 rounds with if he did? That GGG?

Because he is. Canelo came to his weight and beat him.

It's easy to 'step up' and make fights (and get fights made) when you're the super A side who calls all the shots and pays everyone very well for their troubles (and pays them for the loss if it is at all close). To argue against that is supreme fan-boy BS Are you talking about the Dervenchenko fight again? Because, yeah, GGG got a gift and mustve been paying those refs some of that DAZN money

I don`t see it that way. They both struggled with top competition. And no, 50 years old alcoholic Kovalev is not top competition. What is Canelo`s career defining win? Is it close win against GGG or Lara? Saying GGG is not ATG but Canelo is, is just stupid. tell me who is your best win and I tell you who you are. If GGG is not very good, Canelo also can`t be very good. You don`t prove you are good if you beat average guys. Neither are ATG but Canelo is indeed a better fighter than GGG. Canelo beat Jacobs without controversy and didnt lose to Dervenchenko. Canelo also had clear wins over Cotto and Kovalev. Canelo was down for an immediate 3rd fight w/ GGG but he refused. So GGG is the one ducking. Canelo is in his head and GGG doesnt want the work. And since everyone says the Kovalev fight was a joke. Why didnt any other MW want it? Shouldve been an easy win the way Borat stans make it sound around here. Why didnt Borat fight Kovalev? He wasnt good enough, thats why.

we must praise them fairly and equally, guys. praise GGG for stepping up at the age of 35 to win a title in the ring, and keep it for one top challenger then losing it to the second top challenger. praise canelo for first winning a title in the ring at age 23 (although he took vacant one at 21, it was somewhat weak opponent). Thats 14 years before GGG managed it. praise canelo for not losing a title in the ring despite taking on a strong of top dogs, except to an ATG once. equal priaise.

Canelo in his prime couldn't even (legit) beat an old GGG lol...what are you smoking with that drivel...the hoops some people have to jump through.... - -U mean Ol' unbeaten, untied record setting top p4p ranked GGG? What grade U in?

Probably because Canelo owns GGG’s MW titles, legacy, and 0. Canelo at his very prime had 2 close fights with old GGG. What a legend!

Probably because Canelo owns GGG’s MW titles, legacy, and 0. He paid him very handsomely for the titles and 0 though. Like literally paid him

Yeah, you're never going to convince me that Golovkin always took the best fights he could. That's not really my intention...and if 'taking the best fights you can' means giving away all leverage in negotiations (on money and weight) then yeah maybe GGG could have fought a few more top guys like Ward, Lara, Froch, Cotto and maybe Sergio. But I think GGG was always fair enough in negotiations. I would have liked to have seen him move up to 168 but all of his big (money) fights were at 160 or below. The two money fights he tried to make above that weight vs Froch and Chavez never happened because the reward wasn't worth the risk for those guys. If Froch is telling the truth that GGG wanted him at 166 instead of '68 though then I would put that on GGG. But I can't take anything Froch says seriously. No one else of that type of status seemed even remotely interested in fighting GGG until Canelo finally stepped up.

Probably because Canelo owns GGG’s MW titles, legacy, and 0.

It's easy to 'step up' and make fights (and get fights made) when you're the super A side who calls all the shots and pays everyone very well for their troubles (and pays them for the loss if it is at all close). To argue against that is supreme fan-boy BS Yeah, you're never going to convince me that Golovkin always took the best fights he could.

Head to head, I’d say ggg is on a higher level. He arguably beat a peak canelo twice while in his mid 30’s and clearly past his peak. It’s clear who would have come out on top prime for prime. Canelo has accomplished more on paper tho.

Canelo has actually stepped up and challenged himself and taken several big fights. Golovkin? Not so much. It's easy to 'step up' and make fights (and get fights made) when you're the super A side who calls all the shots and pays everyone very well for their troubles (and pays them for the loss if it is at all close). To argue against that is supreme fan-boy BS