OK he had a nice win against Joppy that made his reputation against an aging and unmotivated Roberto Duran. Big deal. Who the hell did Joppy beat on his way to win his titles. Nobody notable that I can recall. Joppy would have got the stuffing beat out of him by Golovkin, Canelo, Derevyanchenko and Danny Jacobs. Throw in Lemieux if he makes weight properly If you want to compare Trinidad at Middleweight look at his overall record. That means you can't ignore his losses and cherry pick his wins which is what you are doing. A stoppage by Hopkins in a fight Bernard was clearly winning and a total domination by Winky Wright. Go look at the fight footage. To me it sure looks like Trinidad is the smaller man. He didn't compete as well as he did at the lower weights against good fighters who are durable. That's my take. You're entitled to your opinion. Like I said before I said the same things when the Hopkins fight was announced. At that time Golovkin was not even heard of. I'm not going to change my opinion just to get along or to make you happy. You can respond if you want but you are wasting your time.
Man please. Dont ever mention david lemiuex.
Tito lost to hall of fame fighters only
Lemiuex lost to marco ****ing rubio.
Its levels
That's your take. I think I'm ahead on this one by a couple of rounds. Like I said you are wasting your time. I'm not going to change my opinion on Trinidad as a Middleweight. An opinion I formed before I ever heard of Golovkin.
did I force Lemiux not to have a good win? course not, its not my take, its his take.
compared to Lemieux best win being an unknown noone.
you lose the argument everytime you try to reply.
That's your take. I think I'm ahead on this one by a couple of rounds. Like I said you are wasting your time. I'm not going to change my opinion on Trinidad as a Middleweight. An opinion I formed before I ever heard of Golovkin.
OK he had a nice win against Joppy that made his reputation against an aging and unmotivated Roberto Duran..
compared to Lemieux best win being an unknown noone.
you lose the argument everytime you try to reply.
Against Hopkins and Wright he would be competitive. I think you are fooling yourself. There are no fallacies. You are arguing about Trinidad as a Middleweight.
you keep pulling these claims out of a hat, against the arguments I back up with facts.
u are having a laugh if you think you have proof that GGG wouldnt suffer the same against that calibre.
its about your best wins not your losses at the tailend of your career.
I can see why you have to use such falsities to press your argument.
OK he had a nice win against Joppy that made his reputation against an aging and unmotivated Roberto Duran. Big deal. Who the hell did Joppy beat on his way to win his titles. Nobody notable that I can recall. Joppy would have got the stuffing beat out of him by Golovkin, Canelo, Derevyanchenko and Danny Jacobs. Throw in Lemieux if he makes weight properly If you want to compare Trinidad at Middleweight look at his overall record. That means you can't ignore his losses and cherry pick his wins which is what you are doing. A stoppage by Hopkins in a fight Bernard was clearly winning and a total domination by Winky Wright. Go look at the fight footage. To me it sure looks like Trinidad is the smaller man. He didn't compete as well as he did at the lower weights against good fighters who are durable. That's my take. You're entitled to your opinion. Like I said before I said the same things when the Hopkins fight was announced. At that time Golovkin was not even heard of. I'm not going to change my opinion just to get along or to make you happy. You can respond if you want but you are wasting your time.
Well GGG loses to all of BHop, Jones, and Wright too. And Trinidad probably beats him straight up.
Trinidad definitely beats Canelo and Dervenchenko but the Jacobs fight might be tough
- -Stupid been beating a hole in U thick noggin.
Tito ain't ever beating GGG or Canelo.
Tito can't box! Never learned.
Yes, he has a big fight against the dangerous veteran Mayorga coming up. The winner goes on to fight James Kirkland in The Big One.
In truth, GGG peaked when he was still fighting Ishida and Macklin. Still stopped 20 C-class fighters in a row. Not too shabby.
Since when does resume not determined what kind of fighter you are? You aren't credible until you beat somebody. And GGG resume is full of guys that never beat nobody. Therefore have no credibility.
And the few guys he fought that are credible. It was controversy in every fight. Both canelo fights and dereavychencko.
Canelo is supposedly now the p4p #1 best in the world and GGG fought him to a dead draw at 35 and 36 years old.
The majority of people who saw those fights saw GGG win twice and you claim to have seen it once.
Watch your double standards.
GGG gets a favorable decision vs Derevyanchenko and youre sitting here whing about controversy.
Canelo has come controversy against
GGG twice
Lara
Trout
Mayweather
All fights where he has had controversial cards yet you don't bat an eye.
If you have to beat credible people to be somebody all of boxings top talent are nobodies.
Here's are some good questions to challenge yourself.
Is Lomachenko garbage because he doesn't have a "credible" win because his resume is littered with guys who beat no one.
Name the guys who passed through 160 when GGG was there and let me know how good their resumes were.
Because you've already said
"160 was a wasteland"
"No older big name fighter wanted GGG"
"GGG should have won once against Canelo"
But GGG is trash?
And yep. Resumes don't prove ****. Look at the Mikey Garcia and Adrian Broners of the world. You won't even be able to name MW resume better than GGG unless its Canelo.
Feel free to look at all the top guys and do your best to find those "somebodies" who are MUCH better than the guys GGG beat.
u are having a laugh if you think you have proof that GGG wouldnt suffer the same against that calibre.
its about your best wins not your losses at the tailend of your career.
I can see why you have to use such falsities to press your argument.
Against Hopkins and Wright he would be competitive. I think you are fooling yourself. There are no fallacies. You are arguing about Trinidad as a Middleweight.
i'd like to know what makes you not see that Titos best MW scalp trumps GGG's entire MW resume (well its all MW anyway)
- -Tito never learned to box.
GGG rolls over him inside 3...easy $$$
They are great fighters but he was dominated by those guys. The fights as I recall them we're not competitive at all. I see what you are saying but if he was such a great Middleweight those fights should have been closer. They weren't.
u are having a laugh if you think you have proof that GGG wouldnt suffer the same against that calibre.
its about your best wins not your losses at the tailend of your career.
I can see why you have to use such falsities to press your argument.
this is a crazy argument, its like saying someones crap at MW cos he lost to sugar ray robinson.
i'd like to know what makes you not see that Titos best MW scalp trumps GGG's entire MW resume (well its all MW anyway)
They are great fighters but he was dominated by those guys. The fights as I recall them we're not competitive at all. I see what you are saying but if he was such a great Middleweight those fights should have been closer. They weren't.
Well GGG loses to all of BHop, Jones, and Wright too. And Trinidad probably beats him straight up.
Trinidad definitely beats Canelo and Dervenchenko but the Jacobs fight might be tough
I think Derevyanchenko would outmaneuver Trinidad. I had him beating Golovkin. Was Golovkin sick ?? Don't know but he did get beat in my estimation and Derevyanchenko should get credit for it. He could get knocked by Trinidad but I think he will make it through. Canelo would be a tough fight partly because Canelo has had stamina issues but it looks like that may be taken care of. Canelo has a world class chin so unless Trinidad can get to him consistently I don't see him getting badly hurt by Trinidad. I'd pick Canelo over Trinidad. Trinidad would have to outpoint Canelo. I agree Danny would be very tough for Trinidad. I won't get into Golovkin because we have very different views on that one. The point I made before about the bigger men being more likely to take his power and Trinidad getting dropped is a problem for me to pick him over the top Middleweights. That's the way I see it anyway.
So you claim 160 was a waste land and that all the old big names wanted nothing to do with GGG
So what was GGG supposed to do? Fight the best available which is what he did.
But that's not good enough for you lmfao! Youre fishing for an answer that isn't coming!
Im deflecting?
Oh?
What is it you're trying to prove? I had a good idea which is why I asked in the other post.
And guess what you did? You deflected my question!
Lmfaoooooooooo.
You know exactly why I used Canelo as a comparison? To expose your double standards. Those guys you talk about Canelo having good wins against?
Name some guys who were at MW while GGG was who sport better resumes than GGG?
You know what's also a fact? That a fighters resume does not determine the kind of fighter he is. GGG did the best with what was available.
GGG wasn't bless like Canelo who has a handful of guys who are WAY past it willing to cash out.
Even Canelo refused to fight GGG for over 2 years wasting GGGs time fighting the Khans, Liam smiths and JCC of the world.
But a guy like that gets a pass but to you GGG does not. What hypocrisy.
The only point you've proven is that GGG "fought in a wasteland".
So which is it? You cant even decide.
Since when does resume not determined what kind of fighter you are? You aren't credible until you beat somebody. And GGG resume is full of guys that never beat nobody. Therefore have no credibility.
And the few guys he fought that are credible. It was controversy in every fight. Both canelo fights and dereavychencko.
Let's go like this.
Who do you think won the GGG/Canelo fights.
This will determine if you get any future responses. Just curious to see how you answer.
GGG won the first
Canelo won the second
It means nothing. Because thats opinion.
Facts are Canelo 1 GGG 0
Just like you probably had ward losing to kovalev in the first fight. Facts are ward 2 kovalev 0
No I said the same thing when the fight was announced between Trinidad and Hopkins. When they put Trinidad as the favorite over Hopkins I was laughing. It was plainly obvious that Trinidad who enjoyed a size and power advantage over most of his opponents had no chance to beat Hopkins. Those advantages did not apply to Hopkins. He was too smart and durable to lose to Trinidad. Your buddy Dreamer is too lazy to go look up the fight record of Trinidad. He's been dropped numerous times by fighters in a lower weight class. His record at Middleweight and above is not good. He lost to Wright, Hopkins and Jones. All outstanding fighters. However in his losses he was not competitive. His biggest asset was his power and against these guys he could not hurt them enough to stop the beat down or to really get into a possible winning position. No he would not beat all the guys that Golovkin beat. He's in a weight class that didn't suit him when he moved up.
Well GGG loses to all of BHop, Jones, and Wright too. And Trinidad probably beats him straight up.
Trinidad definitely beats Canelo and Dervenchenko but the Jacobs fight might be tough
No blind eye. You can look up his record after he abandoned his natural weight class and see for yourself. He had losses against Winky Wright, Hopkins and Jones. this is a crazy argument, its like saying someones crap at MW cos he lost to sugar ray robinson.
i'd like to know what makes you not see that Titos best MW scalp trumps GGG's entire MW resume (well its all MW anyway)
How did canelo come into this. Me ans you are debating golovkin resume.
But since this is what you want.
Lets start. And watch the difference
Kovalev beat hopkins pascal and according to yall ward.
GGG beat Jacobs and according to yall canelo
Cotto beat margarito martinez judah mosley and won titles in 4 divisions
I don't have to go any further since i just proved my point in just 3 fighters. Whether you consider these guys cherry picks or not. They all beat names at some point in their boxing careers except for Kirkland, fielding and smith
You cant say that for any of the 12 guys i listed for ggg. No notable wins for those guys.
Even khan at least beat a washed up hall of famer in barrera.
The wades, monroes, macklins cant even say that.
These are facts. Not opinions
Let's go like this.
Who do you think won the GGG/Canelo fights.
This will determine if you get any future responses. Just curious to see how you answer.
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