This fight could be built up into being a social media age Floyd vs Oscar. Not that either fighter is anywhere close to that level of course, but I'm talking about the interest it could generate. The problem is that Garcia probably loses to any of the other top guys if it doesn't get made. It's not like the Spence/Crawford situation where they can delay because neither guy looks likely to lose soon. Maybe Garcia has a chance against Haney, but he could end up looking bad in that fight.
Probably best for all parties that they look to make this one early.
I'd take Haye by KO. Haye, for whatever faults he had, was a fast and coordinated heavyweight at his best, especially compared to the mostly lumbering HWs of today. I'm fact, I strongly felt that Haye would have brutally knocked Joshua out even before the Andy Ruiz fight. Joshua has always been fairly stiff and robotic, plus he's not good defensively. Haye being fairly nimble on his feet and able to launch sudden attacks would have presented Joshua real problems.
For AJ it was a decent performance. He's still a bit robotic but Pulev wasn't the type to exploit that weakness. More coordinated fighters who can put punches together might (like Ruiz did). There was still an element of danger though from those straight rights and Joshua did well to slip most of them. He also paced himself better than in the past - a few years ago, after that 3rd round he probably would have punched himself out.
Fury will be a problem if AJ boxes like that though. Fury can spoil and box and the more time he has to find a rhythm the tougher it'll be for AJ. I think AJ needs to be aggressive early in that fight as I don't see Fury as a massive counterpunching risk. As robotic as Joshua can be, he's not Wilder in that he doesn't completely unravel the second he's pressured backwards. And I don't think Fury will want to trade power with Joshua early, so I think that's an opportunity for Joshua to force openings.
For sure I was just pointing out Dubois achilles heel in this fight. He could have done much better if he moved his head just a little rather than eat hammer fisted jabs all night.
Sure. It also looked like the left hook was there for him, as Joyce constantly circled to his right and never really threatened with his own right hand. But Dubois was either unwilling or just incapable of throwing a left hook.
I don't think Joyce is impossible to outbox or anything, he is after all spectacularly slow. I also don't know his chin is impenetrable when the best puncher he's faced is Dubois, who was unproven himself. I'm not saying Joyce isn't effective and doesn't provide almost unique challenges in today's heavyweight division, but let's see him fight somebody coordinated, who can box or at least move. His defense against top fighters is also a question mark.
Parker would be a real test. I think Ruiz would too with his fast hands and ability to put punches together. Ortiz is much more technically skilled, however given Joyce's engine that'd be an interesting fight. Joyce vs Usyk would be a great test for both guys. I'm not sure how a Whyte fight goes, but I might slightly favour Joyce to get to him late on in that one.
This is all true. We Australians eventually evolved to no longer require the iron facemasks, but that only occurred circa 1960. Up until then we would have to wear them whenever we left the house.
Wilder needs space to land his right hand. I think Whyte looks to maul him from the off and it won't suit Deontay if Whyte's able to sit on his chest. But how the fight goes would likely depend a lot on the ref - if he's quick to break them and does so often, it opens up opportunities for Wilder to land a fight-ending shot. The more times they're forced to reset, the more likely Wilder landing that shot becomes.
I hope it happens. Outside of Fury/Joshua/Wilder, a fight between any of Whyte, Wilder and Ruiz are the most interesting in the division.
Joyce is one of those guys who looks very hard to beat until he doesn't. What I mean by that is, as long as his chin holds up he's going to be a problem. But if that chin gets checked then all of a sudden his relentless pressure doesn't seem as imposing anymore, and I'm not sure he has a lot to fall back on.
Strangely enough, Brandon Rios was another one of these guys. He got off to a quick start and was just walking through dudes at 140lbs. But then he felt Alvarado's and Pacquiao's power and from that point on was quickly found out. Margarito would have been another example if not for what we know now about the plaster. He was a nightmare prospect for anyone at 147 to the point where Floyd wasn't rushing to fight him, but then Mosley cracked that chin and his veneer of invincibility was forever lost.
Really? you don't think it was his team letting him move up 2 weight classes to fight the most dangerous puncher in boxing (at the time)? Kell's biggest problem was his ego. I've have never, til this day ever met or spoke to anyone who thought Kell would win that fight. Shame we will never see how great he could've become, he had a solid career overall.
The problem was that outside of Shawn Porter, Kell hadn't fought anybody. That wasn't only an issue for his development and progression as a fighter, but it also meant that he hadn't secured any of the big money fights he was chasing, and fast approaching 30 he was understandably keen to do so.
Just look at his first 3 fights after winning his world title: Jo Jo Dan, Frankie Gavin and Kevin Bizier. So the GGG fight comes up and he jumps at it, because it's massive if he can win, but at least he finally gets paid regardless.
Looking back though, it's hard to say whether his career pans out much differently if he didn't take that GGG fight. Of course the eye injury was a factor, but Spence was still his mandatory either way, so much depends on whether the pre-GGG Brook could have beaten Spence. I'm not sure he would have.
One thing that often gets overlooked is that on the whole, the US has superior trainers and coaches to the UK - especially when you're talking about the very top guys. You don't produce fighters with the all-around skillsets of Mayweather, Ward, Hopkins, Toney, Crawford, Whitaker, etc. by accident - these guys are trained in methods and techniques handed down through generations. You just don't see that kind of slickness in UK fighters.
I watched almost all of Brook's fights and always liked him. Very good jab and great timing. But he was never a particularly good inside fighter or good defensively. And nor was he able to consistently adjust during a fight. Fighting GGG clearly didn't help, but I'm pretty sure he was a rung below Spence/Crawford regardless. Somewhere around Porter/Thurman/Danny Garcia level.
Why do people pretend like Hearn is some super promoter. He works in the easiest boxing market in the world.
Yeah, a boxing market that was pretty much dead before Hearn started promoting boxing. That should tell you something.
False.
Best wins of Broner were Ponce de León and a shot Malignaggi.
Best wins of García are Salido, the same Broner and Lipinets that was better than a shot Paulie.
Plus, García is way better than Broner.
Poor hater.Ok, so if Mikey's worst opponents were Salido, Broner and Lipinets, who were his best wins?
Wait. Did you just say that those were his best wins? Those guys??
lmao that's not exactly a murderers row.
Wilder wants 50-50. Hearn says he's not worth 50-50. So Wilder is trying to become worth 50-50.
Wilder also used to talk a lot about becoming the undisputed heavyweight champ. Guess that stopped being important.
Say, tell me what's the future of DAZN and Golden Boy Promotions once Daniel Jacobs knock Canelo Alvarez out on May 4th?
The rematch would be twice as big as the first fight. Stupid question.
My question for this matchup would be this- Will Joshua have the cojones to come forward and bring the fight to Deontay Wilder?
It's a safer option than giving Wilder time and space to extend that right hand, so I don't see why Joshua wouldn't now.
For years I've always thought Joshua could stop Wilder within a few rounds by pressing him and throwing big shots early. The problem was, I don't think that's how Joshua would have fought Wilder at all. He would have boxed him on the outside and hoped his superior technique would allow him to land the telling punches first, which is a dangerous game.
I'll admit that I never saw Fury fighting Wilder the way he did, despite him showing he could employ that style in the past again against Steve Cunningham.
They wasted all this energy on Joshua a fighter who’s not that good whilst dismissing this “fat crackhead bum who can’t punch” yet Fury broke his anus.
Who do they turn to next?
Charles Martin.
Luis Ortiz was willing to give up his spot on the Wilder-Fury undercard and go to England to accept Whyte's challenge on December 22.
The WBC was even willing to sanction it as a final eliminator. Breazeale still would have had the first mandatory shot at Wilder.
I agree though, Whyte vs Ortiz is a great fight and should be made. Only casuals care about a Chisora rematch.
If the Wilder /Fury PPV does crazy numbers in the States and UK ( I honestly don’t think it will)
Wilder might have a point
At the end of the day A sides determined by $ generated and if Wilder /Fury generates more $ then AJ/Klit
How can you argue he wouldn’t be the A side
That's a big IF. Joshua has done more than 1 million PPV buys in the UK several times, sells out 90,000 seat stadiums and was the highest paid boxer over Canelo last year per Forbes (and one of the top 10 highest paid sportsmen!) He also has multi-million dollar/pound promotional contracts.
Let's see how many buys Wilder/Fury does. Hopefully it does well.
Wilder's style is very difficult to defend against. No matter how well one boxes, jabs or how many rounds they win against Deontay, he still has that equalizer in his right hand. It's even worse if one were to engage in a firefight with him because currently there is no Heavyweight in the division that can match the "Bronze Bomber's" firepower.
The thing is though, the only frame of reference worth anything is Ortiz. He was getting badly outboxed by Ortiz for most of the fight and then turned it around with his power. So he gets credit for that, but there's a distinct lack of any other useful examples. How did he do against Wlad? Parker? Povetkin? Miller? Pulev? Whyte? He hasn't fought any of these guys. It's one thing to assume that he KO's most of them, but he should start actually proving it. He has literally the worst resume of any champion in the sport.
as long as he can comfortably make weight, I see no problem. I DO have a problem with him fighting Mikey though. The public is going to chew him out for this.
I don't get what the problem is. Mikey has moved up to 147 and is calling Spence out. Mikey's not saying "let's meet at 142 or 143" he's saying I want to fight the top guy at welter. So what's the issue? Mikey's size isn't Spence's problem. Errol is a belt holder at 147 and he's being challenged by a top 10 p4p fighter moving up to his weight class. This has happened all throughout boxing history.
In a watered down state of Boxing where fighters want easy bouts, Garcia wants to move straight up for the killer and some of you guys are trying to stop him? Wtf is wrong with this generation. From Henry Armstrong to Manny Pac, great fighters have done this countless times so why cant Garcia.
It’s starting to get cringe worthy how all these dudes put Spence on a pedestal. Who has he beaten and why is he the new boogeyman?
Spence-Garcia is no mismatch Yeah, it's embarrassing. And gross. Watching these guys passionately lick the inside of Spence's anus is gross.
These are two of the best fighters in the sport and they want to fight each other. During a better era of boxing, fans would be all over this. But these guys are all "Don't do it, he'll kill you!" That's some weak ****.
It's a bizarre era of boxing when fans are more concerned with promoters and networks than they are with fights and fighters.
Who cares under whom they fight, as long as they fight.
I think DAZN will be aggressive in looking to sign him. Their problem has been signing star fighters, either because they haven't been available or just not willing out of a sense of loyalty to Haymon. The network will know that Andrade and Vargas aren't going to drive a lot of subscriptions. But Canelo and GGG will and they've been served up to them on a plate. I wouldn't be surprised if DAZN sanctioned significant extra money to secure them, because if Showtime signs both it massively sets DAZN back.