Shelly Finkle "We're Not Fighting AJ Next, It's Not The Direction Wilder Wants To Go"

You keep saying that, I think you are literally the only person in the world that thinks that is a factor I'm literally the only person posting here regularly that does business with members of Wilder's team and has insight into their strategy.

He was only going to make that amount if DAZN was able to get AJ to fight him. You keep saying that, I think you are literally the only person in the world that thinks that is a factor, as if a contract wouldn't specify the AJ fight, let it go. I think there are 3 likely options, Wilder thinks Dazn will offer more in the future after both have their up coming fights (possible), Wilders team aren't confident so happy to make less for longer then cash out with an AJ fight (most likely) or finally Wilders advisors are advising him what's best for their platform not his career, frankly this is looking more likely as it goes on.

This ain't about Money anymore, reasons why Canelo Alvarez is still the biggest fighter in Boxing right now, is because those two heavyweight scumbags can't realize when the fight is more of Legacy than money

There's no need blaming any one for their lack of unification. Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder are to blame for it. This fight should have been done and concluded, if Wilder and Joshua ain't struggling for the bigger share of the purse

I know you don't like me, but if you gave me a fair shake I think you'd see my positions are well researched. I'm not a Joshua hater. I like him a lot. I just know that when you're the big cash cow A-side, your team is going to wisely encourage you to take your time getting to the most dangerous fight. There's nothing wrong with that. I'll accept when I'm wrong and say my bad like this time but there have been plenty of times you have used half truths mixed with opinion to skewe how the scenario appear compared to when all the facts are mentioned to sway peoples judgement. I've admitted you do it well but it aint right.

Finkel wanted to know Joshua's deal. DAZN couldn't say because there was no deal yet. I point that out and another poster says Finkel wasn't concerned, but he must have been if the deal was rejected. Finkel not knowing AJ's deal and AJ not having a deal, thus making it impossible for Finkel to know it, go hand in hand. Did Hearn put up a roadblock when he didn't know what Deyonce's deal was from the $50m PR stunt offer? No he didn't. That was never an issue. So why is Winkel using it as an excuse?

Finkel himself said the Joshua fight was part of the offer and that the reason they ended up turning it down was because they weren’t told what aj was making. Why tf would they be concerned about what Joshua was making and how lopsided the split would be, if he didn’t think the fight was part of the deal? Yes, Joshua was part of the offer, but if DAZN couldn't get Joshua, the deal was void. So why sit around and wait, when the next fight is Breazeale anyway? Finkel wanted to know Joshua's deal. DAZN couldn't say because there was no deal yet. I point that out and another poster says Finkel wasn't concerned, but he must have been if the deal was rejected. Finkel not knowing AJ's deal and AJ not having a deal, thus making it impossible for Finkel to know it, go hand in hand.

Finkel himself said the Joshua fight was part of the offer and that the reason they ended up turning it down was because they weren’t told what aj was making. Why tf would they be concerned about what Joshua was making and how lopsided the split would be, if he didn’t think the fight was part of the deal? We’re going in circles here ffs...just leave it alone. That whole argument of "Maybe AJ wouldn't sign" makes absolutely no sense, his promoter hasn't mentioned it, there is nothing to point to it being even the slightest consideration and bascially everything contradicting it. Even if it was an issue how easy would a clause stating deal must include second fight with AJ & must be confirmed before contract comes into effect. Of all the HW conspiracy theories that is one of the most bizarre I've heard.

No, it didn't contradict what Finkel said. Finkel never said AJ signed and was guaranteed. Hearn continues to insist AJ is fight by fight with DAZN. No contract with them beyond the Ruiz fight. DAZN was hoping to secure Wilder's signature and then go negotiate with Joshua. That's why they couldn't tell Wilder what the deal with Joshua was. Because there wasn't a deal yet. Finkel himself said the Joshua fight was part of the offer and that the reason they ended up turning it down was because they weren’t told what aj was making. Why tf would they be concerned about what Joshua was making and how lopsided the split would be, if he didn’t think the fight was part of the deal? We’re going in circles here ffs...just leave it alone.

- -I like how Deyonce has Shirley Winkle speak for her. 'Splains everything!

Wilder wants 50-50. Hearn says he's not worth 50-50. So Wilder is trying to become worth 50-50. Looool still defending this BS you are the worst here on nsb. Trying to sound logical all the time but when the argument is against him he either doesn’t answer your question or moves the goalpost lol. Gtfooh

I responded to you saying that aj wasn’t guaranteed to happen if wilder signed, which contradicted what finkel said. No, it didn't contradict what Finkel said. Finkel never said AJ signed and was guaranteed. Hearn continues to insist AJ is fight by fight with DAZN. No contract with them beyond the Ruiz fight. DAZN was hoping to secure Wilder's signature and then go negotiate with Joshua. That's why they couldn't tell Wilder what the deal with Joshua was. Because there wasn't a deal yet.

You cannot honestly think DAZN would offer Wilder $100M+ and it not include the AJ fight. He was only going to make that amount if DAZN was able to get AJ to fight him.

No, when you (or someone else?) said Finkel wasn't concerned about DAZN not having a deal with Joshua, I pointed out they were concerned enough to reject the deal. That doesn't mean it was their only concern. Fighters are asked to sign contracts all the time that are only valid IF the promoter/network/whoever is able to go get the other guy to sign too. We'll never know if DAZN could have gotten Joshua to sign, but clearly Wilder is over getting toyed with anymore. You cannot honestly think DAZN would offer Wilder $100M+ and it not include the AJ fight. DAZN that currently AJ fights on, that is in partnership with Matchroom, AJ's promoter, that got involved to broker a deal on Hearn's behalf because of the personality issues between promoters, when Finkle himself has not raised it as an issue? This is reaching flat earth levels of crazy talk. Its like a defence attorney who starts to believe their own alternate theories, even after the video evidence comes out and the accused is straight up admitting to it.

No, when you (or someone else?) said Finkel wasn't concerned about DAZN not having a deal with Joshua, I pointed out they were concerned enough to reject the deal. That doesn't mean it was their only concern. Fighters are asked to sign contracts all the time that are only valid IF the promoter/network/whoever is able to go get the other guy to sign too. We'll never know if DAZN could have gotten Joshua to sign, but clearly Wilder is over getting toyed with anymore. I responded to you saying that aj wasn’t guaranteed to happen if wilder signed, which contradicted what finkel said. From there it turned into you assuring me all the things that finkel is or isn’t concerned about, some of which appears to be pure speculation on your part. I just figured if what you said was the case, it would be significant enough for finkel have to mentioned it when discussing why the deal wasn’t taken. I’m done with this run around. The topic of this thread is wilder not being interested in doing the fight NOW...not what happened last year or the particulars of the dazn offer.

finkel said it was a great offer, acknowledging the aj fight was included but they ultimately rejected it because they didn't know how much aj was getting paid. you say they rejected it because the aj fight wasn't guaranteed. No, when you (or someone else?) said Finkel wasn't concerned about DAZN not having a deal with Joshua, I pointed out they were concerned enough to reject the deal. That doesn't mean it was their only concern. Fighters are asked to sign contracts all the time that are only valid IF the promoter/network/whoever is able to go get the other guy to sign too. We'll never know if DAZN could have gotten Joshua to sign, but clearly Wilder is over getting toyed with anymore.

Finkel wanted to know what their deal with Joshua was. They couldn't say because they didn't have a deal with Joshua. Still not seeing how these two things conflict with each other. man, just forget it. finkel said it was a great offer, acknowledging the aj fight was included but they ultimately rejected it because they didn't know how much aj was getting paid. you say they rejected it because the aj fight wasn't guaranteed. it's pointless to continue this back and forth if you're just gonna keep rearranging words in an attempt to make it seem like what you and finkel said are the same thing.

"Not the direction we want to.go" = We are heading away from AJ. F***ING American.*******

The Wilder fanboys are the worse fanboys in the history of boxing. Defending someone ducking the biggest undisputed HW fight in years is embarrassing. Have a word with yourselves.

yea ok...you brought it up like that was the deal breaker, you weren't talking about anything else. it would seem to me if that was "one of the reasons", finkel would have said something about it, because that would be pretty significant. Finkel wanted to know what their deal with Joshua was. They couldn't say because they didn't have a deal with Joshua. Still not seeing how these two things conflict with each other.