He clearly showed Adonis has stamina issues that could be scary going against a guy like kovolev or another serious puncher
It could be dangerous against Kovalev, but only if Kovalev can keep the pace he fights in the later rounds. Also, it probably doesn't matter because a Stevenson-Kovalev fight would simply end before we get a chance to find out.
I laughed when the Showtime crew said it could be an issue against Hopkins though. I can't even remember when was the last time Hopkins pushed the pace of a fight!
So far Floyd has never been given a count. That's huge.
But that's more due to his defense than his chin.
Best chin ever goes to George Chuvalo, IMO. Fought Ali twice, Foreman, Frazier, Patterson, etc. and never went down in 93 pro heavyweight fights! He's been stopped by the ref a couple times, but never went down. That's something considering he wasn't a defensive master like Floyd is.
If bute wanted to fight the winner he wouldn't have signed a two fight deal with the loser 24 hours later. I mean he obviously didnt even try to get ward or else he would have tried to negotiate for a few weeks. But good for bute he gets to avoid ward for another year
And how do you know Bute's promoter didn't negotiate with Ward's for "a few weeks" before the final took place?
The difference is Ward is fighting in the Super Six final and not feasting on the Jesse Brinkleys and Brian Magees of the world.
Good thing Bute fought Glen Johnson otherwise his resume would be pretty lame.
Yeah, Ward fighting ATG Allan Green, a guy Bute already beat in Bika and a blown up Abraham is a great resume. Seriously, Ward was in the S6 for the last 2 years and his only good win is Kessler.
And BTW, you want Bute to fight out of Canada but also say he fights bums. So you want him to go abroad to fight bums for peanuts? Come on now, be serious
The Kessler win is all Ward needs. Until Bute beats someone as good or better he should remain ranked lower.
Let's not even mention Froch's resume...no true boxing fan is silly enough to think that his and Bute's are in any way comparable.
Kessler is the best win out of both Ward and Bute's resumes. Bute Bute's resume has more depth than Ward's. It's not like the difference between both resumes is so great that it can't be compared. And you have to aknowledge that the Super 6 made it impossible for Bute to fight the top competition for the last 2 years.
Anyway, a ranking can't be based only on resume. You have to take into consideration the talent and potential of the fighters, to some degree.
BTW, I already said that Froch's resume is the best at 168 lbs right now.
Bute, like most non-Americans, is scared of a challenge.
If Ward isn't afraid of a challenge, surely he'll come to Canada to fight Bute, right?
Oh, I forgot. Americans don't have to travel...
lol oh wow he was more impressive against Johnson than Froch, big whoop!
Froch is a freaking warrior who steps into the ring with anybody unlike that protected pus.sy.
Froch has been in the ring with Taylor, Kessler, Dirrell, Abraham, Johnson, Pascal and is scheduled to fight Ward next.
Boo-tay has been in the ring with Andrade twice (who almost ko'd him) and Johnson...........
Froch a tremendous warrior who steps into the ring with anybody? Then explain why he declined the fight with Bute when they were the first 2 challenger for an elimination for the IBF title, and instead waited another year to get a shot at a title?
Why didn't Froch take the fight agianst Bute then, so that Bute had to fight Bika?
This is incorrect.
There is a difference between facing and beating Edison Miranda while you're still a contender on the come-up, and beating Miranda as part of your 5th World Title defense.
Defending your so called IBF "World Title" against a washed up William Joppy? Hell Tito Trinidad knocked out a prime William Joppy almost a decade earlier and didn't get much credit for it.
Bute defends his belt against Fulgencio Zuniga, a guy Kelly Pavlik used as a stepping stone while he was still a Middleweight contender. Are you getting the picture.
Contrast and compare that to Ward, who won his first Title against the #1 Super-Middleweight at that time, still has less total fights than Bute and is about to face another Top 168 guy, and it's self explanatory who has the better resume.
Ward beats Miranda as a contender and Bute as a champion.
Ward beats Bika as a champion and Bute as a contender.
Can apply both ways.
Joppy was a first defense. Not a great win, but nobody claimed it was...
Zuniga: The same guy who later went up to 175 and gave a good fight to Tavoris Cloud.
Then you go in the future to talk about the resume. He is about to fight another top fighter. But he hasn't yet, and we don't know how he is gonna fare in this fight (although I do expect him to win). No point talking about it now, we'll do it after the fight.
Bute seems to be a well rounded boxer but how can you say he is better than those fighters when they have faced and beat the better competition.
The fact you have Magee and Zuniga in Bute's top wins says alot about how weak his resume is.
Ward holds wins over Kessler, Abraham, Green, Bika, Miranda. Ward's dominating win over Kessler alone is far better than anything Bute has done so far.
Froch's resume is better than Bute's also.
Froch holds wins over Abraham, Dirrell, Taylor, Pascal, Johnson and his only loss being a very close loss to Kessler.
Ward and Froch > Bute (until Bute steps it up competition wise.)
Johnson was a good start, hopefully he can progress from there.
I agree Froch has the best resume at 168 right now. But Ward has nothing on Bute, except Kessler. In the 5 Ward wins you named, Bute already beat 2 of them. One other is a blown up middleweight who hat lost his previous 2 fights and wasn't competitive at 168 and another is Allan Green. Allan Green, really? He's on Ward's top 5 wins and you **** on Bute's resume?
Bute: Johnson, Andrade, Bika, Miranda, Berrio
Ward: Kessler, Abraham, Bika, Miranda, Green
How is Ward's so much better than Bute's, especially since Bute's still got a couple respectable wins over Zuniga or Magee while Ward has nothing more than those 5 wins I mentionned.
Ward's best win is Mikkel Kessler.
Bute's best win is Glen Johnson.
Kessler >> Johnson clearly.
Abraham >> Andrade.
Green >> Berrio.
Zuniga and Magee are journeymen, not respectable wins.
Ward's resume is better.
Kessler > Johnson : I agree
Abraham > Andrade : What has Abraham done at 168? He had been dominated in his previous 2 fights and his only win at SMW came against a washed out Jermain Taylor.
Green > Berrio : Ok that was a joke, right? Maybe you didn't notice, but Green had his hands full yesterday against Sébastien Demers. Don't know who that is? Can't blame you, because he's not very good at all. If Zuniga and Magee are not respectable wins, neither is Green.
I think you overrate Ward's resume. He's an excellent fighter technically and tactically, but his resume isn't really good apart from Kessler.
I think Bute's a good fighter but he needs to raise the level of his competition.
Glen Johnson was a good start so let's hope it continues.
I'd like to see him fight Dirrel, Kessler and of course Ward and Froch.
Don't know about the post fight interview, but in the press conference and the French PPV interview, they clearly said they want the S6 winner next.
That excuse isn't going to fly anymore, though. And it doesn't explain why he turned down a fight with Pascal and why he gave a lowball offer to Kessler.
On Pascal:
Pscal beats Dawson on August 14th. At that time Bute already has a contract to fight Brinkley on October 15th. Before Bute's fight, Pascal already has a contractto fight Hopkins. When exactly were they both available. Not to mention that Pascal wanted the fight at 175. Curiously, Pascal never called Bute out when they were both at 168...
On Kessler: Lowball offer? Nobody really knows what the offer was. And anyway, it was the first offer in a negociation process. Did you really expect Interbox to give everything Kessler wanted on a first offer? And if Kessler really did want the fight, why didn't he make an offer himself. He spent more than a month negociation with Stieglitz, was it that hard to take 1 hour to call Bute's team and talk?
BTW, as much as I like the warrior spirit of Froch, he did duck Bute and that is factual unlike most things in boxing. When Bute fought Bika in an eliminator, Froch was ahead of Bika in the IBF rankings but didn't want the fight. He instead waited another full year to get a title shot. Just to prove that everybody has their own agenda and nobody can take all the fights the fans want them to take.
The U.S. of A is a little bigger than Canada, as a country. You could say 50 countries/states into one. So Roy, Oscar, Floyd have covered the entire North American continent.
Fighting in Canada all your career is the equivalent of an American fighting in California his entire career, or Texas.
Who gives a **** about the population of a country? It's about fighting at home all your career and everybody being ok with it for americans, but not for a canadian, an european or an african.
It's especially annoying because americans have said for years that everybody had to fight in the US because it's where the money is at. But now the money is in Quebec for Bute, but he has to go fight in the US anyway while Ward can stay in his homecountry without being called out for it.
Kind of like Ward doesnt fight out of the USA?
Or Mayweather, or Roy Jones in his prime, or De La Hoya... need I go on?
But that doesn't count, they are americans.
How exactly did Kessler duck him?
By not even trying to negociate a fight with him and going for Stieglitz instead.
But I forget. In your opinion, the one fighter out of the two who makes an offer is actually the one who doesn't want the fight. Yes, that makes sense...
Don't be so emotional, calm down.
It's not who gives a sh1t about the Population, it's about the Continent. You saying that an American fighting at home is dishonest because the United States is half a continent. If the United States weren't united, every state would be a different country. California would be to New York like Russia is to Germany.
I'm sorry to say, but your post makes so little sense that it's overwhelming. I really don't know where to start. Actually, I can't understand what you actually mean and if I understand correctly, it is sadly stupid.
For exemple, you seem to think there is no more difference between 2 european countries and two USA States. Or that there is more difference between 2 USA States than between 2 canadian provinces.
From what I understand, you seem to think that the USA are geographically bigger than Canada, which is completely wrong.
What you don't seem to get is that the USA are one country, not 50. An american fighting in another State is like a canadian fighting in another province.
I hope it's because my English isn't as good as I thought it was. Please tell me I didn't understand something.
Pascal only fights once a year.. that's too long of a wait.
Kovalev can fight in May, then in September or October against Pascal. I dream of a card in Montreal with Kovalev-Pascal and Stevenson-Hopkins. Then winners fight!
Even if Main Event has all the proof it needs to prove there was an agreement with GYM and Stevenson, it is useless.
Stevenson is 36yo. It would take at LEAST 2 years to get a first instance court to come to a decision. Then there could very well be an appeal. So in 3-4 years, when Stevenson is 40yo, we could have a fight.
In the meantime, both will continue their career, and likely one of them will lose and become irrelevant. Sadly, the Law isn't helpful in this case. And no judge will grant an injunction in this kind of situation.
It would be much quicker to get an injunction issued preventing stevenson from fighting until the dispute is resolved, especially if the agreement is for kovalev after his next fight.
Yes, getting an injunction can only takes a few days, but I doubt a judge would give one in this case. To get an injunction, you have to prove the following:
- Appearance of a right
- Aa irreparable prejudice
- The enforcement of the injunction would do more harm than not enforcing it
- The urgency of the situation.
In this case:
1- An injunction preventing Stevenson to fight until the situation is resolved would be more damaging than the absence of injunction would be for Kovalev.
2- There isn't an irreparable prejudice in this case. Worst case scenario, Stevenson would have to pay Kovalev.
Sorry if some of it doesn't make sense, English isn't my first language, especially for legal matters! And maybe it isn't 100% accurate, depending in what country/state the injunction is filed.
His adamant avoidence of it makes him look very suspicious, and spare me his ridiculous excuses:bottle:makes him weak:lol1: NSAC testing is very weak and can be beaten, i.e. Mosley. If he has nothing to hide why not just take the test?
You really think OST can't be beaten too?
I agree Pac should take tests, but the 7 days cutoff is, objectively, a good compromise. I'm not an expert, but I doubt any PED has an immediate effect. You need to take them for a certain amount of time.
And you have to be training for the PED to be effective. Since there is little training in the week before a fight, it would be useless to take PEDs at that time.
Floyd agreed to a 14 days cutoff at one point, now 7 days isn't enough?
ur obviouly part of the majority that missed the radio interview a month after the arthur fight where he mentions frequent headaches since the arthur fight
if he's fully cleared up, then yes, it's been awhile
He said in an interview a month ago that he had to be symptom free for three month to fight. He also said at the time that he still had headaches and stuff. And a few weeks after saying that he is back to training. Can't you see why people are suspicious, especially that he was supposed to fight Ward in september, and the fight got postponed only a few weeks beore it happened. Didn't he train and spar at that time, despite not being allowed to because not yet symptom free?
like the title says, I've never seen a Pac fan answer these questions. They post pics of food, deflect (Meaning, they ask a question instead of answering), spew insults, but they never just answer.
1. Out of all the reasons/excuses Top Rank gave for Manny not testing, which do you ride with most? (Don't come with the "Manny agreed to all testing) because he did not, if he did we'd already have seen the fight.
2. Floyd asked for testing from contract to fight night, Manny offered 3 tests and 30 day cutoff.
Then Manny (after 24 7 footage) offered 24 days, and Floyd offered 14.....
Now manny wants 7 day cutoff.......................
............Why did'nt Manny accept 14 days when it was offered?..................... He's willing to do 7 but not 14?..................
I'm just asking these 2 questions so I get a better grip on how they think.....
I am not a Pac fan or a Floyd fan (I am both actually), but here is my answer to your questions.
1- All I heard from Pac camp is that he feels giving blood too close to the fight would weaken him. I do not agree that it would, but since it is what he believes, it would be a disadvantage on the mental side of his preparation. I honestly never read anything "official" about Pac being affraid of needles or stuff like that. All I read about it was on the forums. Until someone can give me an official quote of Pac using that as an excuse, I will doubt it. It could very well be a random poster on a forum saying that as a joke and someone else using it and it starts spinning (that's how rumors generally start).
2- Manny agreed to 14 days, but Floyd withdrew the offer. I really can't see a good reason for the withdrawal. Usually, that kind of thing happens in a negociation when there is an advantage that can be gained from an agreement before a precise date, advantage that would not exist after that day , after which the offer is withdrawn. But this is not the case in the Pac-Floyd situation. And now that Pac has agreed to 7 days cutoff, I really don't understand why it isn't enough for some people. If Pac uses something illegal, he has do use it in actual training (there is not much training in the week before the fight) for it to have any effect.
Just my opinion.
Clearly a stay busy fight.
Kid will step up.
People need patience.
Exactly. Ishe Smith said he would like to fight Lemieux, if given more time. Since Lemieux is supposed to fight in February and then in April against Rubio, Smith would be a great fit for the February fight.
Also GYM will have a little more money than they had for the Camacho and Gates fights, because ESPN will buy next year's fights (Feb. and April). Makes it easier to find opponents!
I wish they could have found someone better but he is only 21 we have to keep that in mind no rush. What happened to the proposed Rubio fight?
Both parties refused the other's offer. Rubio's team offered twice as much money as GYM, but I doubt they will let Lemieux fight in Mexico, no matter how good the offer is.
:lame:
Ishe Smith was offered last night's fight with Lemieux, but he was too cowardly to accept.
Smith was given 2 weeks notice. You really blame him for declining? He said he'd fight Lemieux if given some time to prepare.
I know you are a big fan of Lemieux, and so am I, but your post smells bad faith.
Nice try. Try speeding in front of a cop. You know kinda like how Hops BOXES right in front of the ref. He doesnt have an DQs for a reason.
The reason being that when the ref is on his right, he hits with the left, blocking the ref's view with his body. Like speeding in front of a cop, but with a wall between you and him...
Well, in truth, I don't think this will be going anywhere. Though, under the laws of Canada, it should.
Canadian law:
"At common law, defamation covers any communication that tends to lower the esteem of the subject in the minds of ordinary members of the public. The perspective measuring the esteem is highly contextual, and depends on the view of the potential audience of the communication and their degree of background knowledge. Probably true statements are not excluded, nor are political opinions. Intent is always presumed, and it is not necessary to prove that the defendant intended to defame."
In America, however, the First Amendment makes it very difficult for the plaintiff to win these types of cases.
Regardless, he should move on and just know that Pascal was trying to get under his skin and failed.
Law 101:
The law isn't the same everywhere in Canada. There is no common law in Quebec, it's Civil law.
To win his case, Hopkins has 3 things to prove (article 1457 of the Civil Code of Quebec):
1- That Pascal said something.
2- That Hopkins was prejudiced.
3- That there is a link between what Pascal said and Hopkins' prejudice.
#1 isn't hard to prove, they have tapes.
#2 is harder to prove: What prejudice did Hopkins suffer?
#3 isn't hard to prove if #2 is proven. But the fact that Pascal said later that he didn't think Hopkins was on anything makes it harder for Hopkins to prove #2.
There is one more thing to take into account. Professionnal boxers are public figures. That means they have to accept a certain level of criticism. And since Hopkins, throughout his career, has made comments and acted disrespectfully towards other boxers, he can't easily say he didn't accept the downside of being a public figure. I could very well see the Court say that the context in which the allegations were made, where two men were making the promotion for a sport event based on rivalry, Hopkins' reputation wasn't badly affected by the comments.
BTW, Pascal could very well charge Hopkins with assault, since Hopkins pushed him during that same press conference...