What's with the Bute hate?

Forgot about this thread, lots of nut huggers in here lol.

Andre Ward is so damn overrated. I'm sick of this Bute nonsense. I can't wait, until he will face Froch or Ward, so I can bet my whole points on Bute for the win. Bute's win against Johnson proved that in terms of overall quality and brains he's miles ahead of Carl Froch.

Ward beats Miranda as a contender and Bute as a champion. Ward beats Bika as a champion and Bute as a contender. Can apply both ways. Joppy was a first defense. Not a great win, but nobody claimed it was... Zuniga: The same guy who later went up to 175 and gave a good fight to Tavoris Cloud. Then you go in the future to talk about the resume. He is about to fight another top fighter. But he hasn't yet, and we don't know how he is gonna fare in this fight (although I do expect him to win). No point talking about it now, we'll do it after the fight. I'm sorry to say, but your post makes so little sense that it's overwhelming. I really don't know where to start. Actually, I can't understand what you actually mean and if I understand correctly, it is sadly stupid. For exemple, you seem to think there is no more difference between 2 european countries and two USA States. Or that there is more difference between 2 USA States than between 2 canadian provinces. From what I understand, you seem to think that the USA are geographically bigger than Canada, which is completely wrong. What you don't seem to get is that the USA are one country, not 50. An american fighting in another State is like a canadian fighting in another province. I hope it's because my English isn't as good as I thought it was. Please tell me I didn't understand something. Great posts. Cupo303 is a idiot. You can't compare Ward fighting in America to Bute fighting in Canada as far as "hometown" advantage goes. In Canada EVERYONE over there is going for Bute, that includes him fighting in Romania, Germany, pretty much anywhere in Europe, whereas nobody would give a **** about Ward in Vegas, Texas, NJ etc. They view it as Bute representing their country, Americans view Ward as just another fighter. Americans won't go to see or support Ward just because he's American. Euros have some strange obsession with athletes and them representing their country, proving they are "superior" lol. I know this because this even applies when discussing basketball with European Euroleague fans. They think the exact same way as many of these Euro boxing fans. lol Germany, all of Europe, rooting for Bute says the dumb american who has probably never left his 'hood' telling us how things are in the world. Priceless.

I don't like Bute, or Ward. Infact the only SMW's I actually like apart from Johnson are Froch and Pavlik

You can't compare Ward fighting in America to Bute fighting in Canada as far as "hometown" advantage goes. In Canada EVERYONE over there is going for Bute, that includes him fighting in Romania, Germany, pretty much anywhere in Europe, whereas nobody would give a **** about Ward in Vegas, Texas, NJ etc. They view it as Bute representing their country, Americans view Ward as just another fighter. Americans won't go to see or support Ward just because he's American. Euros have some strange obsession with athletes and them representing their country, proving they are "superior" lol. I know this because this even applies when discussing basketball with European Euroleague fans. They think the exact same way as many of these Euro boxing fans.

Don't be so emotional, calm down. It's not who gives a sh1t about the Population, it's about the Continent. You saying that an American fighting at home is dishonest because the United States is half a continent. If the United States weren't united, every state would be a different country. California would be to New York like Russia is to Germany. I'm sorry to say, but your post makes so little sense that it's overwhelming. I really don't know where to start. Actually, I can't understand what you actually mean and if I understand correctly, it is sadly stupid. For exemple, you seem to think there is no more difference between 2 european countries and two USA States. Or that there is more difference between 2 USA States than between 2 canadian provinces. From what I understand, you seem to think that the USA are geographically bigger than Canada, which is completely wrong. What you don't seem to get is that the USA are one country, not 50. An american fighting in another State is like a canadian fighting in another province. I hope it's because my English isn't as good as I thought it was. Please tell me I didn't understand something.

This is incorrect. There is a difference between facing and beating Edison Miranda while you're still a contender on the come-up, and beating Miranda as part of your 5th World Title defense. Defending your so called IBF "World Title" against a washed up William Joppy? Hell Tito Trinidad knocked out a prime William Joppy almost a decade earlier and didn't get much credit for it. Bute defends his belt against Fulgencio Zuniga, a guy Kelly Pavlik used as a stepping stone while he was still a Middleweight contender. Are you getting the picture. Contrast and compare that to Ward, who won his first Title against the #1 Super-Middleweight at that time, still has less total fights than Bute and is about to face another Top 168 guy, and it's self explanatory who has the better resume. Ward beats Miranda as a contender and Bute as a champion. Ward beats Bika as a champion and Bute as a contender. Can apply both ways. Joppy was a first defense. Not a great win, but nobody claimed it was... Zuniga: The same guy who later went up to 175 and gave a good fight to Tavoris Cloud. Then you go in the future to talk about the resume. He is about to fight another top fighter. But he hasn't yet, and we don't know how he is gonna fare in this fight (although I do expect him to win). No point talking about it now, we'll do it after the fight.

The U.S. of A is a little bigger than Canada, as a country. You could say 50 countries/states into one. So Roy, Oscar, Floyd have covered the entire North American continent. Fighting in Canada all your career is the equivalent of an American fighting in California his entire career, or Texas. Who gives a **** about the population of a country? It's about fighting at home all your career and everybody being ok with it for americans, but not for a canadian, an european or an african. It's especially annoying because americans have said for years that everybody had to fight in the US because it's where the money is at. But now the money is in Quebec for Bute, but he has to go fight in the US anyway while Ward can stay in his homecountry without being called out for it.

Bute is a great fighter, haters won't admite it and will continue to vomit illogical theories to prove they are right.

Haven't read through this whole thread, but Bute was pretty special the other night. Looking the complete SMW fighter.

That excuse isn't going to fly anymore, though. And it doesn't explain why he turned down a fight with Pascal and why he gave a lowball offer to Kessler. On Pascal: Pscal beats Dawson on August 14th. At that time Bute already has a contract to fight Brinkley on October 15th. Before Bute's fight, Pascal already has a contractto fight Hopkins. When exactly were they both available. Not to mention that Pascal wanted the fight at 175. Curiously, Pascal never called Bute out when they were both at 168... On Kessler: Lowball offer? Nobody really knows what the offer was. And anyway, it was the first offer in a negociation process. Did you really expect Interbox to give everything Kessler wanted on a first offer? And if Kessler really did want the fight, why didn't he make an offer himself. He spent more than a month negociation with Stieglitz, was it that hard to take 1 hour to call Bute's team and talk? BTW, as much as I like the warrior spirit of Froch, he did duck Bute and that is factual unlike most things in boxing. When Bute fought Bika in an eliminator, Froch was ahead of Bika in the IBF rankings but didn't want the fight. He instead waited another full year to get a title shot. Just to prove that everybody has their own agenda and nobody can take all the fights the fans want them to take.

And you have to aknowledge that the Super 6 made it impossible for Bute to fight the top competition for the last 2 years. That excuse isn't going to fly anymore, though. And it doesn't explain why he turned down a fight with Pascal and why he gave a lowball offer to Kessler.

Kessler > Johnson : I agree Abraham > Andrade : What has Abraham done at 168? He had been dominated in his previous 2 fights and his only win at SMW came against a washed out Jermain Taylor. Green > Berrio : Ok that was a joke, right? Maybe you didn't notice, but Green had his hands full yesterday against Sébastien Demers. Don't know who that is? Can't blame you, because he's not very good at all. If Zuniga and Magee are not respectable wins, neither is Green. I think you overrate Ward's resume. He's an excellent fighter technically and tactically, but his resume isn't really good apart from Kessler. Taylor one fight before Abraham put up a very good fight against Froch and was up on the scorecards before he got stopped with 30 seconds left. To say he was washed up would be way off. Froch dominated him but he was in his fight against Dirrell late on. If he hasn't resorted to dirty tactics while Dirrell was down, who knows how it might of ended. What has Andrade done besides get his ass handed to him by Kessler ? I suppose he did stop Bute. without some ref help, he would of got the stoppage win. :) What has Berrio done ? I think Green's best win is Codrington who was a good prospect until he had his chin checked. Green is nothing special by any means i agree but he's a decent fighter. Ward's resume without a Kessler win would be average. The thing is that win is there and that is certainly better than anything Bute has done.

The Kessler win is all Ward needs. Until Bute beats someone as good or better he should remain ranked lower. Let's not even mention Froch's resume...no true boxing fan is silly enough to think that his and Bute's are in any way comparable. Kessler is the best win out of both Ward and Bute's resumes. Bute Bute's resume has more depth than Ward's. It's not like the difference between both resumes is so great that it can't be compared. And you have to aknowledge that the Super 6 made it impossible for Bute to fight the top competition for the last 2 years. Anyway, a ranking can't be based only on resume. You have to take into consideration the talent and potential of the fighters, to some degree. BTW, I already said that Froch's resume is the best at 168 lbs right now.

But Ward has nothing on Bute, except Kessler. The Kessler win is all Ward needs. Until Bute beats someone as good or better he should remain ranked lower. Let's not even mention Froch's resume...no true boxing fan is silly enough to think that his and Bute's are in any way comparable.

Bute did exactly what was expected of him. No more or less. We still don't know any more about him than before the fight. We won't know until he faces Ward, Froch or Kessler.

Ward's best win is Mikkel Kessler. Bute's best win is Glen Johnson. Kessler >> Johnson clearly. Abraham >> Andrade. Green >> Berrio. Zuniga and Magee are journeymen, not respectable wins. Ward's resume is better. Kessler > Johnson : I agree Abraham > Andrade : What has Abraham done at 168? He had been dominated in his previous 2 fights and his only win at SMW came against a washed out Jermain Taylor. Green > Berrio : Ok that was a joke, right? Maybe you didn't notice, but Green had his hands full yesterday against Sébastien Demers. Don't know who that is? Can't blame you, because he's not very good at all. If Zuniga and Magee are not respectable wins, neither is Green. I think you overrate Ward's resume. He's an excellent fighter technically and tactically, but his resume isn't really good apart from Kessler.

I agree Froch has the best resume at 168 right now. But Ward has nothing on Bute, except Kessler. In the 5 Ward wins you named, Bute already beat 2 of them. One other is a blown up middleweight who hat lost his previous 2 fights and wasn't competitive at 168 and another is Allan Green. Allan Green, really? He's on Ward's top 5 wins and you **** on Bute's resume? Bute: Johnson, Andrade, Bika, Miranda, Berrio Ward: Kessler, Abraham, Bika, Miranda, Green How is Ward's so much better than Bute's, especially since Bute's still got a couple respectable wins over Zuniga or Magee while Ward has nothing more than those 5 wins I mentionned. Ward's best win is Mikkel Kessler. Bute's best win is Glen Johnson. Kessler >> Johnson clearly. Abraham >> Andrade. Green >> Berrio. Zuniga and Magee are journeymen, not respectable wins. Ward's resume is better.

Bute, like most non-Americans, is scared of a challenge. If Ward isn't afraid of a challenge, surely he'll come to Canada to fight Bute, right? Oh, I forgot. Americans don't have to travel...

The dude is so damn talented it surprises me that so many people hate on him. Yep he is humble too he should be more liked