Talk has been matched carefully enough that he had become a significant name without taking risky fights. That gives him an opportunity to become a big star if he defeats Ryan Garcia.
Garbage is a term that could rather be used for Tank's outside boxing skills.
Haney is claiming that Lopez is ducking him while claiming that he is the WBC champ as the same time.
He was about to do the same thing with Gary Russell which Tank did with Santa Cruz - drag a smaller guy a few weight classes up so you have a "name" on the resume with no risk of losing
Instead, Haney done ever worse. Didn't drag a smaller champion up, but a smaller washed up fighter coming off a TKO defeat and an injury...
You have to imagine skillsets,,, wlad at heavy is a big tall jabber with big power, in a h2h with rigo at the lower weights, he would still be a big tall jabber with big power, just like a Kelly pavlik type fighter... And guys like serg, rigo, Floyd, Hopkins, ward would carve him up..So you are basically comparing a limited guy with average skills to the Olympic gold medalist who now dominates the sport for a decade?
Really difficult to rate based on skills
Klitschko
Solis
Povetkin
Pulev
Haye
Chagaev
Adamek
Helenius
Luis Ortiz
Mike Perez
This would be the 10 I can think of.
'84 American Boxing Team, best squad ever................ Rockin':boxing:
Cuba and Soviet Union didn't participate the '84 Olympics, alongside 14 other nations.
Say what? Louis has the longevity record and the record for most title defenses. At ANY weight. Marciano is known for his undefeated record.
Louis and Marciano holds the two most important and famous records in boxing and for that they might be equally well known, but in terms of legacy its really a no contest. It'll be Louis by a mile.
I understand that. They are both past, there is no "might" about them anymore. When I mentioned legacy I didn't mean on the boxing world (in which people make cases for both of these boxers), I am generally talking about the world and what they had left behind. Rocky Marciano was never beaten, he won all of his fights. The history says Rocky Marciano defeated Joe Louis. How many people will go there and check if Louis was actually past his best? Not many, and not many will care about that either.
Legacy is not about who you beat. It's people on boxing forums and websites that count that on such a high level, and that's where I first encountered that kind of approach. I am saying that the things Rocky Marciano left behind him are more recognized in the world than the things Joe Louis left behind him.
That's not bad list but I can't imagine Marciano being top 3, let alone top 5. Yes he was undefeated, yes he beat Louis, Moore, Walcott and Charles but how many of those guys were in their prime and how many of them were shot? Louis was shot, Walcott all but shot and Charles wasn't anywhere near his best anymore yet almost all these guys gave Marciano hell. What saved him was his relative youth, punch resistance and power. Imagine if these names were primed and ready, I don't think Marciano beats a single one of them.
Marciano's legacy is bigger than Joe Louis'. I'm not talking about who they beat, nor some mythical rankings, I'm talking about what they have left behind and what are they known for. Louis is relatively unknown to the people outside of boxing. Almost every kid knows Rocky Marciano. Isn't that a legacy?
There are several ways in my opinion, but neither of them guarantees victory.
First way would be to have a great stamina and be able to go put the pressure on and keep firing for 12 rounds. The fighter needs to be extremely well conditioned in order to keep that rhythm. Being southpaw would also help, because it would cut the effectiveness of Mayweather's defense. Speed and power is also required, as well as high volume of punches. All of that combined would definitely cause Floyd problems and might result Floyd being outworked as well. Wait... these characteristics actually look familiar.
Another way would be, believe it or not, to outbox him. Right now I can't think of a fighter around his weight class that could do that. If only Rigo was in Lara's skin... Rigondeaux' style looks absolutely brilliant and IMO it's the only style superior to Floyd's. If they were the same weight, I'd pick Rigo. Floyd would be forced to pressure Rigondeaux at times and that's the very wrong thing to do against Rigo. So yeah, Rigo's style, skills and IQ beats Floyd's style, skills and IQ, imo.
The next thing would be being some elite jabber, outside fighter and also being bigger guy than Floyd, with longer reach. Right now I can't think of an active WW/JrMW fighter with those characteristics, but anyway, jabbing Floyd and keeping distance would work, especially if you hug him (also lean) and do whatever possible to prevent the fight on the inside. Refs tolerating that would also help. That would be an awful fight to watch, but imo some mini-Wladimir style could bring a quite comfortable UD.
And finally, Oscar's style. I felt he was doing very well against Floyd but he just couldn't keep it until the end. Imo a younger, more durable Oscar would beat him to an UD.
No fighter is unbeatable and no one will ever be unbeatable, but also, nothing guarantees a 100% victory. That's boxing. It's generally considered that Castillo defeated Floyd in the first fight, but was robbed, so it's not like there is absolutely no blueprint for Mayweather. Also, Marciano was going to lose against Walcott but he caught him in the 13 round and won. Not even sure if I should mention Ottke and his wins. Is there not a blueprint for Ottke? Of course, it's a banal example but in reality nobody is truly unbeatable.
Let's put it this way. The Klitschkos are the best in world at their division. Marquez bros are not. After all, when it's all said and done, people will always remember heavyweights better, especially if they were on the top for a decade.
daggum, you use very stupid logic I'll give you that. It makes me wonder if you do that on purpose or just out of stupidity.
I'm not even going to argue with you since you do everything to bash the Klitschkos, so it's obviously no use.
Not sure if you're asking about H2H or resume wise. Either way, I'd say Calzaghe. Joe would outwork him easily to a wide UD. The only way Froch could win would be by a KO, which would be highly unlikely to happen. Prime for prime Calzaghe schools him easily Imo.
As for resume, I'd also go with Joe comfortably. For example, he beat old Hopkins, who then went on a very good run, performing at the top level for 5 years now since their fight. Or Kessler, who was prime back then when Calzaghe defeated him, and after that he went and became the #1 fighter in the division. He also beat Froch, and it wasn't exactly a prime Kessler who fought at Super Six. Froch's rematch was against faded Kessler, prime for prime Mikkel is the better fighter. It's not like Froch doesn't gave great wins, his resume is also amazing. Abraham, Johnson, Bute, Kessler, Pascal, Taylor, Dirrel.. amazing resume. It's just that Calzaghe tops him Imo.
Floyd Mayweather
Manny Pacquiao. Being the only one to win titles at 8 divisions tops being undefeated. Sven Ottke retired undefeated as well.
On a more serious note, Muhammad Ali is the greatest imo. It's more than just resume and skills, there's a reason everyone on the planet label Ali as the greatest. After all, he's the one being compared to Pele, Michael Jordan etc, not Robinson and Leonard. Of course, I have nothing against opinions of SRR being the the GOAT.
Never was a P4P lists supporter though. Being the best in world means literally being the best world, not imaginary, therefore the HW champ is naturally always the best, since nobody can beat him in reality.
Anyway Rigondeaux should be top 3 or even 2 in my opinion.
What did you guys expect from Pulev? To KO Thompson in 1? He went into the fight knowing that he has to be extremely cautious as he's fighting a big, experienced southpaw who is also considered top 10 by many.
Pulev took his time, then took over the match. Routine.
These people trying to discredit him really have no shame.
Skilled heavyweight vs skilled super heavyweight. I'm going with Wlad UD. He would jab Ali all night. And so far nobody was ever outboxing prime Wlad and he fought many fighters even bigger than Ali. I know that Ali was very fast but don't make it out like he was faster than light. His speed wouldn't be enough to beat Wlad, who is also fast himself, despite being so big. Ali wasn't some big puncher so I don't see how could he defeat someone like Wlad.
wlad is very quick for such a big man but no way in hell is he even near as fast as a prime ali. you need to watch a young ali against liston and williams. he was nearly impossible to hit with a combination and youre not going to get ali out with one punch if youre lucky enough to land one. hed have given them both a boxing lesson. fwiw I think wlad is more competitive with ali than vitali. vitali struggles more with good boxers whereas wlad struggles more with sluggers
Of course Ali was faster, I'm aware of his speed as well. I was never thinking about Klitschko looking for a KO. Ali was faster, but also smaller and Wlad would be out of his reach. Speed isn't enough to beat someone like Wladimir. It's the aggressiveness that could potentially cause him problems. Both of them are/were very hard to hit, it's just that I give advantage to Wladimir due to his size and the fact he's so good defensively. I see Wlad winning a comfortable UD in a very boring match. That's what I think at least.
How would Sonny Liston have done against these guys???
Chris Byrd
Jameel McCline
Corrie Sanders
Lamon Brewster
Samuel Peter
Calvin Brock
Sultan Ibragimov
Tony Thompson
Ruslan Chagaev
Eddie Chambers
David Haye
Alexander Povetkin
Vaugh Bean
Lennox Lewis (03)
Kirk Johnson
Chris Arreola
Kevin Johnson
Odlanier Solis
Tomasz Adamek
Dereck Chisora
Loses to Sanders, Peter, Ibragimov, Chagaev, Haye, Povetkin, Lennox, Solis and probably Adamek and few others.