Sonny Liston vs the heavyweights of the last decade or so???

For Christ sake, believe it then it's your opinion and your entitled to it. But do me a favour in return for letting you run this garbage and STOP calling me hwblogger it isn't me! s'up HWblogger.

What more can be said. The facts have been presented. We have the entire modern HW division vs an absolute bum beater and guys have the HW division beat. To say the thread has deviated from common sense is a mild understatement! Lewis KO1 Liston Wladimir KO6 Liston Vitali KO3 Liston Byrd UD Liston Chambers UD Liston Ibragimov UD Liston Chagaev UD Liston Thompson KO9 Liston Peter KO3 Liston Haye KO6 Liston Rahman KO9 Liston Brewster KO6 Liston Sanders KO3 Liston Puritty UD Liston McCline KO9 Liston I could go on! It's clear! There's a whole lot a "good old times" syndrome happenin round here! Vitali took 10 rounds to KO Adamek and Wlad took 28 rounds to KO peter, but they would both KO Liston inside 6. Genius logic. You are still not providing facts, you are providing a crap logic that makes no sense, without backing it up with data or any knowledge whatsoever about Liston, and pass it on as 'facts'. You my friend, are a troll.

There's a whole lot a "good old times" syndrome happenin round here! permit me to play the devil's.. psychiatrist..here for a moment, but how will these fighters compare to the HWs of the 22nd century. How would the K brothers compare to those 22nd century HWs. Surely by your 'good times syndrome' they would all KO the Klitschkos and Lewis, since the K bros and Lewis ability is coloured by good time syndrome since they are 100 years in their past. Do you really believe this?

Man this board has lost all common sense... I love it how what would today be a cruiser weight would demolish everyone in the division in the last 10 years... ignorant and uneducated post. The 'new age' fans on this forum is what is in decline of common sense. Liston was a solid heavy, and KO'd people that were 6'4 and 6'5 often. Liston wouldn't even be a small heavy in today's climate with your Byrd's, Haye's, Chambers', Gomez', Sosnowskis', Adameks' etc etc Only the klitschko's and a couple of stiffs like Thompson and Wach are significantly bigger.

Man this board has lost all common sense... I love it how what would today be a cruiser weight would demolish everyone in the division in the last 10 years...

he was 6ft 1 and would get bodybaged by either klitsckos....move on.

I see him beating everyone, 50/50 against Lewis.

Or another way to put it is if Liston could beat any of todays heavies then I might as well sign up to fight them myself! Or another way to put it is anybody who really thinks Liston has any real chance to beat a modern heavy is what we refer to in Australia as a BLOODY IDIOT! lol He is a **** boxer by comparison to today! There is no nicer way to describe it. When Liston was champ he was imo the best in the world up to that time. But from the moment he was whipped by Ali he was never again going to be a serious factor at HW. But I do think he would have belted up Frazier and maybe Ken Norton! Seriously look at that list. McCline is a giant with decent skills. Chambers and Byrd are elusive masters. Chagaev and Ibragimov and Peter are MODERN CHAMPS! The Klitschko's and Lewis please! lol It's a sick joke really. I think it is very disrespectful to compare! said the guy who just compared. wifi works well in the psych wards these days.

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Or another way to put it is if Liston could beat any of todays heavies then I might as well sign up to fight them myself! Or another way to put it is anybody who really thinks Liston has any real chance to beat a modern heavy is what we refer to in Australia as a BLOODY IDIOT! lol He is a **** boxer by comparison to today! There is no nicer way to describe it. When Liston was champ he was imo the best in the world up to that time. But from the moment he was whipped by Ali he was never again going to be a serious factor at HW. But I do think he would have belted up Frazier and maybe Ken Norton! Seriously look at that list. McCline is a giant with decent skills. Chambers and Byrd are elusive masters. Chagaev and Ibragimov and Peter are MODERN CHAMPS! The Klitschko's and Lewis please! lol It's a sick joke really. I think it is very disrespectful to compare! It's disrespectful to any boxing fan on NSB that a perma ban has not been put on you yet, HWblogger.

Liston had a very good jab with good power but he was a plodder with a glass jaw.I have watched Liston many times and Sanders would KO him easily. Liston had average at best footwork and was easy to hit. Soutpaws would be nightmares for Liston's stance and posture when he fought. I have Liston rated as a world class fighter who had tons of problems with fighters that could move or give angles. Therefore the list that was posted had some fighters on it that could beat Liston.I'd take Haye by decision and Lewis ATG HW #3 by KO.Sanders is all wrong for Liston. Liston was no world beater and was controlled by the mob.He aslo took a dive in the ring. He disgraced all of us who have ever even had the balls to spar in a ring. :boxing::boxing::boxing: Not only is this post extremely contradictory, but it is also incorrect and you have poorly analyzed the situation at the time. I have nothing else to add.

Honestly I know the moderator doesn't agree but my assessment of Liston beforehand in the history section I stand by completely. The list of fighters you put forth has a considerable amount of talent. Virtually I give Liston little to no chance against any of them really. Let's pick someone mundane like Eddie Chambers as an example. Imo Chambers outboxes Liston any day a week. You are taking the champ of one of the sports weakest divisions and pitting him objectively against atleast one of it's most strongest contenders. That the current era is strong is really a no brainer. They are the heftiest opposition on average, they have demonstratably better records against real HW opponents. They have all fought at some point opponents that were talent wise undreamed of in Liston's times. Liston's record when broken down is clear. He beat up cruisers and opponents who were on loss streaks or had bum records or a combination thereof. WITHOUT EXCEPTION. The only time Liston met what we would today consider a decent opponent he lost! The video evidence of Liston when broken down shows conclusively he was a plodder. It shows uncoordination and painful slowness compared to modern HW. The closest comparison that can be drawn in reality is Purrity. Personally I consider Liston a poor mans version of Ross Puritty but each to their own. In the end Liston is history. If you prefer to pump Liston up and rubbish present day boxers in light of this kind of comparison it's up to you. But the facts are there if you care to look and speak for themselves. Imo he had decent punchers chance against some on the list, such as the former CW's, and little against the bigger boys. He would almost invariably be knocked out! The surest way to tell is to ask yourself "If Liston and McCline were put in the same ring and you had a gun put to your head and aked to pick the winner and your life depended on it" would you really pick Liston? Think about it! Nobody who really made a proper assessment could really answer yes! +1:boxing:

Honestly I know the moderator doesn't agree but my assessment of Liston beforehand in the history section I stand by completely. The list of fighters you put forth has a considerable amount of talent. Virtually I give Liston little to no chance against any of them really. Let's pick someone mundane like Eddie Chambers as an example. Imo Chambers outboxes Liston any day a week. You are taking the champ of one of the sports weakest divisions and pitting him objectively against atleast one of it's most strongest contenders. That the current era is strong is really a no brainer. They are the heftiest opposition on average, they have demonstratably better records against real HW opponents. They have all fought at some point opponents that were talent wise undreamed of in Liston's times. Liston's record when broken down is clear. He beat up cruisers and opponents who were on loss streaks or had bum records or a combination thereof. WITHOUT EXCEPTION. The only time Liston met what we would today consider a decent opponent he lost! The video evidence of Liston when broken down shows conclusively he was a plodder. It shows uncoordination and painful slowness compared to modern HW. The closest comparison that can be drawn in reality is Purrity. Personally I consider Liston a poor mans version of Ross Puritty but each to their own. In the end Liston is history. If you prefer to pump Liston up and rubbish present day boxers in light of this kind of comparison it's up to you. But the facts are there if you care to look and speak for themselves. Imo he had decent punchers chance against some on the list, such as the former CW's, and little against the bigger boys. He would almost invariably be knocked out! The surest way to tell is to ask yourself "If Liston and McCline were put in the same ring and you had a gun put to your head and aked to pick the winner and your life depended on it" would you really pick Liston? Think about it! Nobody who really made a proper assessment could really answer yes!why bother writing so much built on drivel of an opinion? surely its more economical just to write 'I am klittard so Liston loses'. or just tko6, for instance.

I normally don't want to hijack other people's post like this, but I just had to do something here. Liston was not "pretty good", Liston was a serious serious guy, that was ducked by the champion for ages. You mention that he beat Floyd Patterson I presume it was, for the title, yet even before that, his resume was quite clearly better than Floyd's and he was already, by most, considered the best HW on the planet, and certainly the most feared. Problem was that Floyd's manager Cus Damato knew Sonny would smash Floyd so he kept him away from him for 3-4 years. Now, Liston is probably in top 5 genuine punchers of all times. Fighters would swallow their teeth after feeling a soft jab from him. Tough guys like Cleveland Williams, who could punch like a mule kicks, and big guys like Zora Folley got destroyed by Liston. With regards to overrated ali? I'm not exactly sure what you mean there, but even though he lost, he was 36-37 even though his official age was 32, and had barely trained seriously for the fight, having believed his own hype too much and that Clay was just a silly loudmouth kid. Liston was a great fighter, much more scientific than new-age fans give him credit for. Amazing jab, exceptional reach, good footwork, killer right hand - literally - and a good boxing brain. To say anything else is simply uneducated, and it certainly doesn't matter how much Floyd weighed, because he was just another victim on Liston's resume. A lot of people go on today about how big the HW divisions fighters are. Are they really? I seem to remember Vitali's best win being a CW/LHW. Add Gomez, Sosnowski to that list as well. Wlad's best win is Byrd or Haye, incidentally also two fighters who used to fight at lower weightclasses. Add Eddie Chambers to that list. That being said, and I really think you should educate youself a bit more on Liston, he would have trouble with a few of these fighters. Lennox being one of course. I'd have liked to see Ike as well on the list. I'd give Liston the edge on anybody else, including Sanders for sure. He'd be gone in a couple of rounds max. Liston had a very good jab with good power but he was a plodder with a glass jaw.I have watched Liston many times and Sanders would KO him easily. Liston had average at best footwork and was easy to hit. Soutpaws would be nightmares for Liston's stance and posture when he fought. I have Liston rated as a world class fighter who had tons of problems with fighters that could move or give angles. Therefore the list that was posted had some fighters on it that could beat Liston.I'd take Haye by decision and Lewis ATG HW #3 by KO.Sanders is all wrong for Liston. Liston was no world beater and was controlled by the mob.He aslo took a dive in the ring. He disgraced all of us who have ever even had the balls to spar in a ring. :boxing::boxing::boxing:

his jab stands helps him stand the test of time. he would do well in any era. The only person that gives him problems is lennox but its just because of the obvious physical advantages. he beats the whole list except lennox and maybe chris byrd could give him problems but he can ko both just as easily.

*****. '03 Lewis? .....either way. Against a prime Liston, an 03 Lewis was going down. Sorry. I misread that. I have nothing but respect for Lennox Lewis; but if he's 38, he's not making it to the final bell against a 30 year old Liston. Not happening.

He was a pretty good HW but not great.Very big puncher,not a great HW..a better version of Sam Peter or Ernie Shavers. He beat a LHW for the HW Championship then lost twice to over-rated Ali.After that he couldn't land a big fight as he paid off his prison promises to the mob. Sanders would KO him. Haye might have a shot. Lewis would expose him. He would probably beat 75 % of the above listed fighters or so but most of those fights would be fun as Liston had an "English Chin." P.S I know he is from U.S. :boxing::boxing::boxing: I normally don't want to hijack other people's post like this, but I just had to do something here. Liston was not "pretty good", Liston was a serious serious guy, that was ducked by the champion for ages. You mention that he beat Floyd Patterson I presume it was, for the title, yet even before that, his resume was quite clearly better than Floyd's and he was already, by most, considered the best HW on the planet, and certainly the most feared. Problem was that Floyd's manager Cus Damato knew Sonny would smash Floyd so he kept him away from him for 3-4 years. Now, Liston is probably in top 5 genuine punchers of all times. Fighters would swallow their teeth after feeling a soft jab from him. Tough guys like Cleveland Williams, who could punch like a mule kicks, and big guys like Zora Folley got destroyed by Liston. With regards to overrated ali? I'm not exactly sure what you mean there, but even though he lost, he was 36-37 even though his official age was 32, and had barely trained seriously for the fight, having believed his own hype too much and that Clay was just a silly loudmouth kid. Liston was a great fighter, much more scientific than new-age fans give him credit for. Amazing jab, exceptional reach, good footwork, killer right hand - literally - and a good boxing brain. To say anything else is simply uneducated, and it certainly doesn't matter how much Floyd weighed, because he was just another victim on Liston's resume. A lot of people go on today about how big the HW divisions fighters are. Are they really? I seem to remember Vitali's best win being a CW/LHW. Add Gomez, Sosnowski to that list as well. Wlad's best win is Byrd or Haye, incidentally also two fighters who used to fight at lower weightclasses. Add Eddie Chambers to that list. That being said, and I really think you should educate youself a bit more on Liston, he would have trouble with a few of these fighters. Lennox being one of course. I'd have liked to see Ike as well on the list. I'd give Liston the edge on anybody else, including Sanders for sure. He'd be gone in a couple of rounds max.

He would blast them all. Even Lennox at that point.

How would Sonny Liston have done against these guys??? Chris Byrd Jameel McCline Corrie Sanders Lamon Brewster Samuel Peter Calvin Brock Sultan Ibragimov Tony Thompson Ruslan Chagaev Eddie Chambers David Haye Alexander Povetkin Vaugh Bean Lennox Lewis (03) Kirk Johnson Chris Arreola Kevin Johnson Odlanier Solis Tomasz Adamek Dereck Chisora Forgive the briefness; but this are knee-jerk reaction predicts. If anyone wants me to elaborate, I'll make an effort. Chris Byrd............................Byrd by decision (too fast and slick) Jameel McCline.....................Liston by K.O. in mid rounds.....McCline too easy to hit Corrie Sanders......................Liston by mid round K.O.......Sonny's jab would keep Sanders at bay, though I'll admit I could be wrong on this one due to Corrie's southpaw style; that can always muck things up. Would be a fun fight to watch, though. Lamon Brewster..................... Liston by brutal decision......Sonny was just a much better boxer and as much as I love my man "Jelly", he just didn't have the skills to cope. Samuel Peter............................Liston by decision & Peter taking a beating. Calvin Brock.............................Liston by K.O. relatively early. Sultan Ibragimov.......................Liston by T.K.O. on cuts, I think. Tony Thompson.........................Liston by mid-round K.O.....TIMBEEERR!! Ruslan Chagaev............? Can't offer an opinion as I've never had the privilege of seeing him fight. Eddie Chambers................Liston by K.O. late David Haye......................Liston by decision after Haye runs all night. Alexander Povetkin............Not sure, honestly; but by gut is Liston by mid to late TKO. (Only saw A..P. fight once.) Vaugh Bean..............ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. Huh? Oh, Liston by stoppage. Lennox Lewis (03)............ooooo. Wow. Gotta give this one to Lewis; but he would be tested before the end, believe me. Lewis by late round TKO. Kirk Johnson.................really? Okay, Liston by TKO in the mid to later rounds. Chris Arreola.................poor Chris takes a beating for the same reason Brewster and Peter did, lack of skills. Liston by late TKO. Kevin Johnson.......?? Odlanier Solis........?? Tomasz Adamek................Adamek by decision if he stays away. He has the speed and the style; but he also had a tendency to get ballzy. That could cost him big; but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Dereck Chisora.........?? Sorry about the "??"; but I don't want to B.S. an answer without knowing both sides of the equation.

How would Sonny Liston have done against these guys??? Chris Byrd Jameel McCline Corrie Sanders Lamon Brewster Samuel Peter Calvin Brock Sultan Ibragimov Tony Thompson Ruslan Chagaev Eddie Chambers David Haye Alexander Povetkin Vaugh Bean Lennox Lewis (03) Kirk Johnson Chris Arreola Kevin Johnson Odlanier Solis Tomasz Adamek Dereck Chisora He was a pretty good HW but not great.Very big puncher,not a great HW..a better version of Sam Peter or Ernie Shavers. He beat a LHW for the HW Championship then lost twice to over-rated Ali.After that he couldn't land a big fight as he paid off his prison promises to the mob. Sanders would KO him. Haye might have a shot. Lewis would expose him. He would probably beat 75 % of the above listed fighters or so but most of those fights would be fun as Liston had an "English Chin." P.S I know he is from U.S. :boxing::boxing::boxing: