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Mike and Floyd weren’t exactly handsome either I think what holds TBud back is he’s not a particularly engaging character and likes to be left alone Muhammad was extra every time he met someone and would narrate every conversation Sugar Leonard was interview trained Mike was a raw unfiltered personality who’d go off the cuff Oscar acted like a celebrity Floyd was willing to talk enough to be charismatic manny is a cheerful guy Not to mention manny and Canelo also had built in loyal fanbases from their countries.

I saw Pacquiao visit Crawford in the locker room once, and Crawford, while being polite, seemed to have a cold and distrustful disposition towards Pacquiao. Crawford admits Pacquiao is a legend, but credits much of his success to his avoidance of random blood testing. Says he’s not on his list of greatest boxers. Yet, Crawford praises RJJ as his favorite despite the fact that RJJ actually popped dirty. Does Crawford have something in particular against Pacman? Seems everytime Pacquiao’s name is mentioned, Crawford’s demeanor changes. Speaking of blood testing, a 38 year old just went from being the smaller man at 154 to being the same size as his opponent at 168 without losing speed or stamina.

I didn't follow the build up at all, but once I saw they were basically the same size, I felt like Crawford was gonna win. Good selection of opponent to move up that much for really. Huge notoriety, same height, no reach advantage and well into the back half of his career. As for the fight, I feel like Canelo was boxing on even terms but seemed to get frustrated quick. He became a plodder throwing everything hard trying to impose himself too much and seemed to forget about using his boxing ability and great defense/counter punching. That played right into Crawford's hands. Once Crawford felt like Canelo wasn't hurting him, he felt comfortable getting in exchanges and letting his speed and superior craft get the better of it. Not sure if others have addressed this but, what about the question of peds? Crawford goes from being the smaller man at 154 to being the same size as Canelo at 168 without diminished speed or stamina at 38? Fair question with all the accusations levelled against Pacquiao, Canelo and other fighters as they moved up.

I thought Saul had a lot of years left due to his great defense but in post fight presser he mentioned body not responding to what he wanted to do in the ring He has a problem when fighters don't come to him. His feet are too slow.

He should go to 160. Canelo was a perfect opponent at 168, but it could get risky to start defending belts vs bigger stronger rangier opponents. I mean bivol could fight at 168, that would be a disaster for Crawford. I just hope he doesn't go out like Roy after he bulked up and tried to drop back down after.

Yeah. That's a great question. I can't throw out accusations because I just don't know. The science behind it, using specialists in the field, to gain or lose weight has changed how division hopping works now. We see guys who are huge shrink down to weights no one in the past would have been able to fight at. And likewise, we see guys move up and become competitive. Eventually division hopping takes its toll, for sure, but I've never seen anything like this before without the help of peds. I'm not saying Crawford is taking peds, not at all. But if I recall, Roy Jones was using peds when he was jumping around weight classes. It just seems now that the technology behind weight gain, rehydration, etc, has advanced to enable these types of fights. Also, everyone knows that Canelo is not a legit 35 year old boxer. He's been fighting professional fights since he was just a kid. Crawford, due to his perpetual lack of activity, has preserved himself. I think that goes a long way to understanding how this fight turned out. It also should be worth stating that styles make fights, and again we see that when you make Canelo the aggressor in the fight, he doesn't do as well as when the other guy is coming forward. Then you add the fact that Canelo was throwing everything hard, while Bud was just touching him for most of the fight. When you throw everything hard, you tire much faster, and that's what we saw in the back half. Where I thought Bud would tire, it was Canelo (which is known to do). So I think stylistically, this was a bad match up for Canelo. He's never been great at cutting the ring off. He's okay at it but not great. Golovkin is an example of someone who was great at cutting off the ring. Julio Cesar Chavez was great at cutting off the ring too. Canelo, not so much. I think a style that Crawford struggles with is when you have a boxer with a strong amateur pedigree, especially Eastern Europe, which still has the best amateur program. This is why I think Crawford struggled with Madrimov. Madrimov knows how to fight someone very technical like Bud. And for the record, I had Madrimov beating Crawford by two rounds. So there were a lot of factors at play in this fight, and one of those was that Crawford defied biology and made a clean and healthy jump up in weight. SNAC earned its money from this fight in my opinion. Yea Canelo is a flat footed plodder for the most part, which is why counter punching suits him. His tendency to throw everything hard works against him. He went to that way too early imo. He didn't even give his boxing a chance, he just became a one dimensional plodder without much variation in his punches. He probably thought he would break Crawford down with shots to the arms, chest, body etc, but it didn't work and made him easier to hit. There was no plan B or C...

As one of the founding members of the Boxingscene forum I want to congratulate you for taking me out of lurk mode with one of the most galactically asinine comments I've ever read. Arm length is the WORST possible measurement. Boxers don't stand square face to face and throw arm punches like robotic drones. They stand at angles where the measurement across your back fist-to-fist becomes highly relevant. The original poster's point is spot on. Gee thanks, but I genuinely haven't been on here in that long. No matter what angle you stand at, the length of your arm is the same. As a measurement, it's more indicative how far you can extend your fist from the body. Not to mention it's not measured with fingers extended, which is completely useless. I do agree that angle and head position make a difference tho.

The spoon23 of Canelo fans. About to launch an investigation.

that was years ago lol Top Soviet Buddha Belly Doughmitry Bivol ballooned up to 205 after Artur rematch during his vacation before back surgery Top Soviet Bivol may have gone from a small light heavy to a mid sized light heavy now He's too big for Crawford anyway. The size difference between bivol and Canelo was clear.

I take reach measurements with a grain of salt. Almost everyone's reach is similar to their height. If not it would be very noticeable if their arms hung down to their knees, or if their back was disproportionately wide. Arm pit to the end of the first is a better way to measure.

Relax, Crawford came into the ring about the same size as Canelo. It was a calculated risk against a past prime fighter with no huge physical advantages. I doubt he would make that move to fight a guy at his peak with a height/reach advantage, with a comparable skill level.

No way he can get Beterbiev at 168. Artur is too big. Bivol maybe. Bivol has said in the past he can fight at 168.

a man with a regular sized head who's not on PEDs -by manny pacquiao

Butterbean? Off the back of his win over bart gunn

The peekaboo style is predicated on quick footwork. The guys who float around the ring might look like they move better, but Tyson had to move his feet quicker during those explosive movements to get from one position to another. Those are drilled movements tho...rhythm is something else all together.

What does getting knocked down mean? How can you discredit somebody for getting knocked down in the professional ring, especially with a style like Manny's. Oh, and from what I can remember, didn't Zab drop Floyd too? Yeah, that's what I thought. not tryin to defend floyd here...bu cmon...wtf people keep bringin this up? his glove grazed the canvas...its not like he got put on his ass.

Charlie z would beat Larry senseless.

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because all muggers are wrestlers. Lol i just pictured someone being robbed by a collegiate wrestler in a singlet with the ear protectors.

your dad should do a painting of lennox getting punked by ben johnson in the olympic village at the 88 olympics.

Evander >>>>> Tyson I see your Evander >>>>> Tyson and raise you a... Tyson-McNeeley (1995): $13,965,600

have you seen tommy morrison lately?

im calling it now.....anyone doubt me? Yes...yes i do.

No chance. If that was the case he wouldn't have been so confrontational with Showtime when they asked him for proof. For years I defended Dirrell, but in hindsight it's pretty clear he was faking being hurt to force the DQ. **** him. "Who the fvck called me a coward?"...

Mike tyson vs jose ribalta and morrison vs ruddock come to mind

2 that always stuck out to me are morrison vs ruddock and tyson vs ribalta. Morrison turned ruddock's head around with a left hook and the camera panned away for a few seconds while morrison went a neutral corner...and when it went back ruddock was already up. Tyson nearly tore ribalta's head off with a right uppercut and ribalta just looked at him like he was mad and got right back up.

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I guess some folks can't accept reality. It was such a close fight but the right man was given the nod, in my way of thinking, it shouldn't have been this close if Khan's abilities matched his hype. If his hype were as real as his mouth advertised he would have cruised to victory and we'd be talking about a possible Mayweather match up, but truth is ever the confounder of every well laid plan. The problem with Khan is that his mouth is far more skillful than his boxing. I bought into the hype too, so what does that tell ya? couldn't have said it better...although i didn't buy into the khan hype. problem with khan is he can't fight on the inside...he still fights like an amateur. peterson was dipping and ripping hard body shots and coming over the top and around khans guard and his only answer was to earmuff or pull petersons head down. khans whining after the fight about being a the cleaner fighter showed that he's surrounded by yes men...someone needs to tell him he was the only one doing anything dirty in there.

fair enough...but if you had to re-watch and slow mo to look for a reason pac won...he probably didn't.

View Poll Results: Who won the Pac Marquez fight? Marquez Won 551 73.17% Pac Won 165 21.91% Draw 37 4.91% :bottle: http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=520477 seems high.